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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Apr 4, 2012 1:21:05 GMT -5
I also want to point out that the local ads for Over The Limit here in Raleigh about a month back all say that the WHC will be on the line in a triple threat between Sheamus, Daniel Bryan, and Randy Orton. Obviously, that's subject to change but it does keep me optimistic that they won't keep Bryan out of the title picture for long.
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Post by mizerable on Apr 4, 2012 1:21:26 GMT -5
I understand Bryan is a Patron Saint around these parts, and I find the YES! chants hilarious. I was at Wrestlemania where it first took off and saw it firsthand, but arguing over God knows what for 19 pages based off some asinine assumption that apparently the guy is being "buried" or whatever was something I never thought possible, until now. I clicked on here thinking something important and vital to the direction of the product went down, like Del Rio winning the title or Ambrose debuting into a big time angle or something, instead it's conspiracy theory time again. NO ONE is saying he's buried...hell I think the whole thing in general is being mishandled. Even if they "embrace" the yes chants, I doubt it will take off if they expect the fans to operate the way they want them to.
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Post by Dub H on Apr 4, 2012 1:22:01 GMT -5
Also, it'll be interesting to see people's reactions to Bryan once the show airs as he had a lot of heel heat going into the Mania match (and most people were against his treatment of AJ) and if those people have joined in with him (which I doubt), then WWE have done damage on a new level. As a person who was ACTUALLY THERE TONIGHT, let me clear up a few things. 1. Bryan WAS getting booed pretty lustily during his screaming at AJ, and it seems like what they are trying to do is NOT to eliminate the chant, but turn it against him, since HE IS A HEEL, and it lets the people who love him still be able to chant it for him, so if he hits a move, the fans can chant it, and if his opponent hits him, THEY can use it. Like when Kurt turned the You Suck chant around to be a term of endearment. So, no, as a matter of fact, they DO see that the YES chant is money, and they are not squashing it. 2. Sorry for the imminent caps, but this needs to be said. ANYONE WHO LOVES THE YES CHANT OFFICIALLY FORFEITS ALL RIGHTS TO COMPLAIN ABOUT THE WHAT? CHANTS. FOREVER. Because if this does become a thing, or god forbid merges into WHAT? YES! Chants, people will start griping eventually that the fans are hurting the show, like they do now about the What? Chants. 3. The chants were not nearly as prevalent tonight, and Sheamus had far less heat on him than he did last night. 4. Ryback's jobber insulted the crowd before the match started, so they may actually be making Ryback a face. 5. Henry DID seem peeved about Otunga wanting the win. 6. Shirts were cheaper tonight than in Miami. So, everyone really needs to calm the heck down and relax, give it a week or two. Besides, I think it may be a fatal four way, Sheamus, Bryan, Del Rio and CHristian, seeing as how technically, Ace does owe him a title shot. thank you Jonathan!good to hear from someone that was there
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2012 1:23:09 GMT -5
I understand Bryan is a Patron Saint around these parts, and I find the YES! chants hilarious. I was at Wrestlemania where it first took off and saw it firsthand, but arguing over God knows what for 19 pages based off some asinine assumption that apparently the guy is being "buried" or whatever was something I never thought possible, until now. I clicked on here thinking something important and vital to the direction of the product went down, like Del Rio winning the title or Ambrose debuting into a big time angle or something, instead it's conspiracy theory time again. NO ONE is saying he's buried...hell I think the whole thing in general is being mishandled. Even if they "embrace" the yes chants, I doubt it will take off if they expect the fans to operate the way they want them to. Pretty much. Plus, I don't get why everything needs to be tailored around the stupid, "Faces are cheered, heels are booed, make heels boring if you need to to make it work," thing. People should like who they're going to like, and f*** how it comes off on TV. Granted, maybe I'm just something of an anti-traditionalist in that way, since I also hate the recent attempts to revive kayfabe in a manner of speaking and think that it should be outright, 100% dead.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Apr 4, 2012 1:25:07 GMT -5
As a person who was ACTUALLY THERE TONIGHT, let me clear up a few things. 1. Bryan WAS getting booed pretty lustily during his screaming at AJ, and it seems like what they are trying to do is NOT to eliminate the chant, but turn it against him, since HE IS A HEEL, and it lets the people who love him still be able to chant it for him, so if he hits a move, the fans can chant it, and if his opponent hits him, THEY can use it. Like when Kurt turned the You Suck chant around to be a term of endearment. So, no, as a matter of fact, they DO see that the YES chant is money, and they are not squashing it. 2. Sorry for the imminent caps, but this needs to be said. ANYONE WHO LOVES THE YES CHANT OFFICIALLY FORFEITS ALL RIGHTS TO COMPLAIN ABOUT THE WHAT? CHANTS. FOREVER. Because if this does become a thing, or god forbid merges into WHAT? YES! Chants, people will start griping eventually that the fans are hurting the show, like they do now about the What? Chants. 3. The chants were not nearly as prevalent tonight, and Sheamus had far less heat on him than he did last night. 4. Ryback's jobber insulted the crowd before the match started, so they may actually be making Ryback a face. 5. Henry DID seem peeved about Otunga wanting the win. 6. Shirts were cheaper tonight than in Miami. So, everyone really needs to calm the heck down and relax, give it a week or two. Besides, I think it may be a fatal four way, Sheamus, Bryan, Del Rio and CHristian, seeing as how technically, Ace does owe him a title shot. thank you Jonathan!good to hear from someone that was there Seconded. First-hand accounts are worth a lot more than all our speculation and armchair booking.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2012 1:25:39 GMT -5
thank you Jonathan!good to hear from someone that was there Seconded. First-hand accounts are worth a lot more than all our speculation and armchair booking. By the same token, though, those other two accounts were also first-hand. That's worth keeping in mind.
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Post by Jimmy on Apr 4, 2012 1:26:44 GMT -5
I understand Bryan is a Patron Saint around these parts, and I find the YES! chants hilarious. I was at Wrestlemania where it first took off and saw it firsthand, but arguing over God knows what for 19 pages based off some asinine assumption that apparently the guy is being "buried" or whatever was something I never thought possible, until now. I clicked on here thinking something important and vital to the direction of the product went down, like Del Rio winning the title or Ambrose debuting into a big time angle or something, instead it's conspiracy theory time again. NO ONE is saying he's buried...hell I think the whole thing in general is being mishandled. Even if they "embrace" the yes chants, I doubt it will take off if they expect the fans to operate the way they want them to. How should they be handling it then? Obviously the WM finish, which did suck, was booked to set up DB blaming AJ for his lose and dumping her. What should they have done instead in your view?
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Post by CH Punk on Apr 4, 2012 1:28:03 GMT -5
Really? That question needs to be asked? I understand Bryan is a Patron Saint around these parts, and I find the YES! chants hilarious. I was at Wrestlemania where it first took off and saw it firsthand, but arguing over God knows what for 19 pages based off some asinine assumption that apparently the guy is being "buried" or whatever was something I never thought possible, until now. I clicked on here thinking something important and vital to the direction of the product went down, like Del Rio winning the title or Ambrose debuting into a big time angle or something, instead it's conspiracy theory time again. Sorry if I annoyed you, I meant it more is a silly sort of way than snarky, but yea 19 pages of Bryan talk is silly (although there were a couple of posts reveling at the idea of a long thread that would troll people). Also, it'll be interesting to see people's reactions to Bryan once the show airs as he had a lot of heel heat going into the Mania match (and most people were against his treatment of AJ) and if those people have joined in with him (which I doubt), then WWE have done damage on a new level. As a person who was ACTUALLY THERE TONIGHT, let me clear up a few things. 1. Bryan WAS getting booed pretty lustily during his screaming at AJ, and it seems like what they are trying to do is NOT to eliminate the chant, but turn it against him, since HE IS A HEEL, and it lets the people who love him still be able to chant it for him, so if he hits a move, the fans can chant it, and if his opponent hits him, THEY can use it. That's good to hear (as someone that wants to see Bryan continue as a heel). Also, I saw someone say that it was a career promo from Bryan, was it that good?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2012 1:28:03 GMT -5
I understand Bryan is a Patron Saint around these parts, and I find the YES! chants hilarious. I was at Wrestlemania where it first took off and saw it firsthand, but arguing over God knows what for 19 pages based off some asinine assumption that apparently the guy is being "buried" or whatever was something I never thought possible, until now. I clicked on here thinking something important and vital to the direction of the product went down, like Del Rio winning the title or Ambrose debuting into a big time angle or something, instead it's conspiracy theory time again. NO ONE is saying he's buried...hell I think the whole thing in general is being mishandled. Even if they "embrace" the yes chants, I doubt it will take off if they expect the fans to operate the way they want them to. I guess what I'm saying is I don't get just how this hurts anybody or makes Bryan look like a doofus or anything. His character obviously isn't coming down to the ring with the "YES!" moniker after getting humiliated in 18 seconds at the biggest show of the year a few nights before. If anybody were to look foolish it would be WWE for not addressing the chants in some way, and the way they did it doesn't seem like some sort of buzzkill, just another way of integrating a chant into a character sort of like What? and You Suck.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2012 1:30:57 GMT -5
NO ONE is saying he's buried...hell I think the whole thing in general is being mishandled. Even if they "embrace" the yes chants, I doubt it will take off if they expect the fans to operate the way they want them to. How should they be handling it then? Obviously the WM finish, which did suck, was booked to set up DB blaming AJ for his lose and dumping her. What should they have done instead in your view? My take, they could have had AJ accidentally distract him or maybe refuse to help him cheat or something. Hell, she could have been pulled into the ring and dodged a Brogue Kick, causing Bryan to take it. There's no reason, though, for an 18 second match at Mania. There just isn't. Hell, given Bryan's character, he could say the fact that AJ didn't start crying when he lost or didn't break up the pin to save the title by DQ means she's worthless and it'd make sense.
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Post by mizerable on Apr 4, 2012 1:33:03 GMT -5
How should they be handling it then? Obviously the WM finish, which did suck, was booked to set up DB blaming AJ for his lose and dumping her. What should they have done instead in your view? Go back and read through the thread. It doesn't have to be anything spectacular, but Bryan could very easily ride the line as far as being a heel and embracing the crowd's reactions, allowing for an eventual face turn. That doesn't sound THAT hard. Hell, you could even at some point align him and Sheamus. No where did I say he needed to win the title or become their top guy. But hell, if anything they should let him continue to play up the crowd with his gimmick, instead of downplay it to the point where the crowd interaction would fizzle out. It's not THAT hard. And yeah, it's armchair booking...so what? At least I see the potential and want to see it move forward, unlike what WWE has done with so many hot angles. I don't consider myself a genius or have the ability to run a company like WWE, but I do know a good thing when I see one.
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Apr 4, 2012 1:35:00 GMT -5
I understand Bryan is a Patron Saint around these parts, and I find the YES! chants hilarious. I was at Wrestlemania where it first took off and saw it firsthand, but arguing over God knows what for 19 pages based off some asinine assumption that apparently the guy is being "buried" or whatever was something I never thought possible, until now. I clicked on here thinking something important and vital to the direction of the product went down, like Del Rio winning the title or Ambrose debuting into a big time angle or something, instead it's conspiracy theory time again. Sorry if I annoyed you, I meant it more is a silly sort of way than snarky, but yea 19 pages of Bryan talk is silly (although there were a couple of posts reveling at the idea of a long thread that would troll people). As a person who was ACTUALLY THERE TONIGHT, let me clear up a few things. 1. Bryan WAS getting booed pretty lustily during his screaming at AJ, and it seems like what they are trying to do is NOT to eliminate the chant, but turn it against him, since HE IS A HEEL, and it lets the people who love him still be able to chant it for him, so if he hits a move, the fans can chant it, and if his opponent hits him, THEY can use it. That's good to hear (as someone that wants to see Bryan continue as a heel). Also, I saw someone say that it was a career promo from Bryan, was it that good?[/quote] Pretty good, I wanted AJ to hit him so hard when he turned his back on her.
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Post by mizerable on Apr 4, 2012 1:45:21 GMT -5
His character obviously isn't coming down to the ring with the "YES!" moniker after getting humiliated in 18 seconds at the biggest show of the year a few nights before. If anybody were to look foolish it would be WWE for not addressing the chants in some way, and the way they did it doesn't seem like some sort of buzzkill, just another way of integrating a chant into a character sort of like What? and You Suck. As far as the first point...yes...it would make little sense for him to come out after a loss like that. However, deny him a rematch and have him win a number one contendership match and there's your solution. There's plenty of ways to keep him a "happy heel", and it doesn't have to be very long term...just enough to really get the "yes" thing going in full momentum (a month or two), then he can be a cold asshole for all I care, because he'll get the chants no matter what. All I'm asking from WWE is to not steamroll this kind of momentum by switching things up in order to get your desired response. And there's no doubt that they'll acknowledge the "yes" chants, but I really don't know if it will be the same as the "whats" simply because Austin beat that to death before they let up on it. And for everyone comparing it to the "whats" it's a completely different thing. If it's being used during a match, there is NOTHING wrong with it, as it's getting everyone involved. It turns Toledo into Chicago...hell it sounds like a f***ing soccer game. The only thing the yes chants have in common with the what chants is, it gets everyone involved. And I don't forfeit the right to anything, thank you very much.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Apr 4, 2012 1:54:15 GMT -5
You sound like a really fun guy to be around. Well, to be perfectly honest I think if I met you my reaction would be trying to get away as quick as possible. Riding out of town on your high horse, no doubt. All kidding aside, I respect your opinions, but I just don't share them. You seem far too emotionally invested in the supposed morality of a sport written with the basest of human nature in mind. Wrestling is testosterone-fueled escapism; a place where personal aggression and frustration can be taken out vicariously through the support/disdain of certain archetypes. The cool thing about wrestling is that there’s all sorts of characters for everyone. From your post history, you seem to despise anything not of a pure, hero nature. You hate shades of gray, attitude, and anything remotely aggressive for machismo sake. And that’s cool. But for A LOT of people, you have to realize, they just find the absurd, over-the-top personas and acts of some heels so perversely amusing that they support the character. Wrestling is not real life. It’s a big cartoon. To some, there’s just something hilarious about a 200 pound vegan who drives a prius, being so pretentious that he dumps his super-attractive athlete girlfriend for being “fat”. It’s just so out there. In real life, Stifler from the American Pie movies would be despised. But he, on average, is considered the most popular character in the franchise because he’s such a monumental tool it’s hilarious to watch him do and say things no one else would in real life without being killed. You need to learn to detach your own haughty sense of judgmental morality and obvious disdain from darker, edgier characters others seem to enjoy. Support your team. But respect other people’s right to do the same without always dragging shit down into an ethical pissing contest. They say the best way to win an argument is to present reasons why your argument is sounder and more rational. Not attacking others opinions, simply because they stray from your own. No one makes a believer that way. You just annoy people.
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Post by kyromax on Apr 4, 2012 2:04:59 GMT -5
As a person who was ACTUALLY THERE TONIGHT, let me clear up a few things. 1. Bryan WAS getting booed pretty lustily during his screaming at AJ, and it seems like what they are trying to do is NOT to eliminate the chant, but turn it against him, since HE IS A HEEL, and it lets the people who love him still be able to chant it for him, so if he hits a move, the fans can chant it, and if his opponent hits him, THEY can use it. Like when Kurt turned the You Suck chant around to be a term of endearment. So, no, as a matter of fact, they DO see that the YES chant is money, and they are not squashing it. 2. Sorry for the imminent caps, but this needs to be said. ANYONE WHO LOVES THE YES CHANT OFFICIALLY FORFEITS ALL RIGHTS TO COMPLAIN ABOUT THE WHAT? CHANTS. FOREVER. Because if this does become a thing, or god forbid merges into WHAT? YES! Chants, people will start griping eventually that the fans are hurting the show, like they do now about the What? Chants. 3. The chants were not nearly as prevalent tonight, and Sheamus had far less heat on him than he did last night. 4. Ryback's jobber insulted the crowd before the match started, so they may actually be making Ryback a face. 5. Henry DID seem peeved about Otunga wanting the win. 6. Shirts were cheaper tonight than in Miami. So, everyone really needs to calm the heck down and relax, give it a week or two. Besides, I think it may be a fatal four way, Sheamus, Bryan, Del Rio and CHristian, seeing as how technically, Ace does owe him a title shot. thank you Jonathan!good to hear from someone that was there Yeah I was there too. Yes! chants were 70% of what they were on Monday, still pretty high. Sheamus got the most heat on the card, with the exception of Johnny Ace. You can search Twitter for live tweets of the event, and they all back what I say. They sang that "good bye" song on AJ's way out, and chanted "Yes!" at her as she left. Tweets, and a few youtube vids will also confirm this. Search for them. Funny, I looked up old posts of yours, and they are very pro Sheamus, and not the biggest D-Bry fan. This reeks of you just trying to convince everyone of your views...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2012 2:07:27 GMT -5
thank you Jonathan!good to hear from someone that was there Yeah I was there too. Yes! chants were 70% of what they were on Monday, still pretty high. Sheamus got the most heat on the card, with the exception of Johnny Ace. You can search Twitter for live tweets of the event, and they all back what I say. They sang that "good bye" song on AJ's way out, and chanted "Yes!" at her as she left. Tweets, and a few youtube vids will also confirm this. Search for them. Funny, I looked up old posts of yours, and they are very pro Sheamus, and not the biggest D-Bry fan. This reeks of you just trying to convince everyone of your views... Or it could just be different seating leading to hearing different things. Either way, do think your phrasing there is a bit too antagonistic.
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Post by kyromax on Apr 4, 2012 2:09:16 GMT -5
Yeah I was there too. Yes! chants were 70% of what they were on Monday, still pretty high. Sheamus got the most heat on the card, with the exception of Johnny Ace. You can search Twitter for live tweets of the event, and they all back what I say. They sang that "good bye" song on AJ's way out, and chanted "Yes!" at her as she left. Tweets, and a few youtube vids will also confirm this. Search for them. Funny, I looked up old posts of yours, and they are very pro Sheamus, and not the biggest D-Bry fan. This reeks of you just trying to convince everyone of your views... Or it could just be different seating leading to hearing different things. Either way, do think your phrasing there is a bit too antagonistic. Well no other live tweets of people who were there, even support what he said.
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Post by Lancers on Apr 4, 2012 2:14:46 GMT -5
Well, to be perfectly honest I think if I met you my reaction would be trying to get away as quick as possible. Riding out of town on your high horse, no doubt. All kidding aside, I respect your opinions, but I just don't share them. You seem far too emotionally invested in the supposed morality of a sport written with the basest of human nature in mind. Wrestling is testosterone-fueled escapism; a place where personal aggression and frustration can be taken out vicariously through the support/disdain of certain archetypes. The cool thing about wrestling is that there’s all sorts of characters for everyone. From your post history, you seem to despise anything not of a pure, hero nature. You hate shades of gray, attitude, and anything remotely aggressive for machismo sake. And that’s cool. But for A LOT of people, you have to realize, they just find the absurd, over-the-top personas and acts of some heels so perversely amusing that they support the character. Wrestling is not real life. It’s a big cartoon. To some, there’s just something hilarious about a 200 pound vegan who drives a prius, being so pretentious that he dumps his super-attractive athlete girlfriend for being “fat”. It’s just so out there. In real life, Stifler from the American Pie movies would be despised. But he, on average, is considered the most popular character in the franchise because he’s such a monumental tool it’s hilarious to watch him do and say things no one else would in real life without being killed. You need to learn to detach your own haughty sense of judgmental morality and obvious disdain from darker, edgier characters others seem to enjoy. Support your team. But respect other people’s right to do the same without always dragging s*** down into an ethical pissing contest. They say the best way to win an argument is to present reasons why your argument is sounder and more rational. Not attacking others opinions, simply because they stray from your own. No one makes a believer that way. You just annoy people. Dammit Carless. Quit making terrific, valid and rational points and go back to doing photoshops of Justin Credible making breadsticks.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Apr 4, 2012 2:16:40 GMT -5
Well, to be perfectly honest I think if I met you my reaction would be trying to get away as quick as possible. Riding out of town on your high horse, no doubt. All kidding aside, I respect your opinions, but I just don't share them. You seem far too emotionally invested in the supposed morality of a sport written with the basest of human nature in mind. Wrestling is testosterone-fueled escapism; a place where personal aggression and frustration can be taken out vicariously through the support/disdain of certain archetypes. The cool thing about wrestling is that there’s all sorts of characters for everyone. From your post history, you seem to despise anything not of a pure, hero nature. You hate shades of gray, attitude, and anything remotely aggressive for machismo sake. And that’s cool. But for A LOT of people, you have to realize, they just find the absurd, over-the-top personas and acts of some heels so perversely amusing that they support the character. Wrestling is not real life. It’s a big cartoon. To some, there’s just something hilarious about a 200 pound vegan who drives a prius, being so pretentious that he dumps his super-attractive athlete girlfriend for being “fat”. It’s just so out there. I want to wait and see if the fans actually popped for his rude remarks or if it's just because Daniel Bryan was talking. I also know it's not real life, however in wrestling, the bad guy SHOULD be booed. If he's doing bad things, the fans should want to boo him. Using your American Pie example, you're entertained by Stifler, but do you want him to be the protagonist of the next movie? No, you should want him to still be the asshole he is. And just because you're entertained by what he does, doesn't mean you necessarily have to support the character for doing bad things. There's a difference between enjoying what the character does and justifying his actions. That's why the AJ na-na bullshit annoys me because the fans shouldn't be justifying what Daniel Bryan's been doing for the last four months just because they love chanting YES and love watching the guy wrestle. It's like oh AJ got trampled over by Big Show, insulted multiple times, treated like shit, and humiliated since December ALL because of Daniel Bryan, and now SHE'S the one who's getting crapped on by the live audience? How the f*** does that make sense?
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Post by joebob27 on Apr 4, 2012 2:18:32 GMT -5
Riding out of town on your high horse, no doubt. All kidding aside, I respect your opinions, but I just don't share them. You seem far too emotionally invested in the supposed morality of a sport written with the basest of human nature in mind. Wrestling is testosterone-fueled escapism; a place where personal aggression and frustration can be taken out vicariously through the support/disdain of certain archetypes. The cool thing about wrestling is that there’s all sorts of characters for everyone. From your post history, you seem to despise anything not of a pure, hero nature. You hate shades of gray, attitude, and anything remotely aggressive for machismo sake. And that’s cool. But for A LOT of people, you have to realize, they just find the absurd, over-the-top personas and acts of some heels so perversely amusing that they support the character. Wrestling is not real life. It’s a big cartoon. To some, there’s just something hilarious about a 200 pound vegan who drives a prius, being so pretentious that he dumps his super-attractive athlete girlfriend for being “fat”. It’s just so out there. I want to wait and see if the fans actually popped for his rude remarks or if it's just because Daniel Bryan was talking. I also know it's not real life, however in wrestling, the bad guy SHOULD be booed. If he's doing bad things, the fans should want to boo him. Using your American Pie example, you're entertained by Stifler, but do you want him to be the protagonist of the next movie? No, you should want him to still be the asshole he is. And just because you're entertained by what he does, doesn't mean you necessarily have to support the character for doing bad things. There's a difference between enjoying what the character does and justifying his actions. That's why the AJ na-na bulls*** annoys me because the fans shouldn't be justifying what Daniel Bryan's been doing for the last four months just because they love chanting YES and love watching the guy wrestle. It's like oh AJ got trampled over by Big Show, insulted multiple times, treated like s***, and humiliated since December ALL because of Daniel Bryan, and now SHE'S the one who's getting crapped on by the live audience? How the f*** does that make sense? Because she's a prop that the crowd has been given no real reason to care about? She doesn't really have matches, doesn't really do promos, etc...
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