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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2012 2:19:10 GMT -5
Riding out of town on your high horse, no doubt.  All kidding aside, I respect your opinions, but I just don't share them. You seem far too emotionally invested in the supposed morality of a sport written with the basest of human nature in mind. Wrestling is testosterone-fueled escapism; a place where personal aggression and frustration can be taken out vicariously through the support/disdain of certain archetypes. The cool thing about wrestling is that there’s all sorts of characters for everyone. From your post history, you seem to despise anything not of a pure, hero nature. You hate shades of gray, attitude, and anything remotely aggressive for machismo sake. And that’s cool. But for A LOT of people, you have to realize, they just find the absurd, over-the-top personas and acts of some heels so perversely amusing that they support the character. Wrestling is not real life. It’s a big cartoon. To some, there’s just something hilarious about a 200 pound vegan who drives a prius, being so pretentious that he dumps his super-attractive athlete girlfriend for being “fat”. It’s just so out there. I want to wait and see if the fans actually popped for his rude remarks or if it's just because Daniel Bryan was talking. I also know it's not real life, however in wrestling, the bad guy SHOULD be booed. If he's doing bad things, the fans should want to boo him. Using your American Pie example, you're entertained by Stifler, but do you want him to be the protagonist of the next movie? No, you should want him to still be the asshole he is. And just because you're entertained by what he does, doesn't mean you necessarily have to support the character for doing bad things. There's a difference between enjoying what the character does and justifying his actions. That's why the AJ na-na bulls*** annoys me because the fans shouldn't be justifying what Daniel Bryan's been doing for the last four months just because they love chanting YES and love watching the guy wrestle. It's like oh AJ got trampled over by Big Show, insulted multiple times, treated like s***, and humiliated since December ALL because of Daniel Bryan, and now SHE'S the one who's getting crapped on by the live audience? How the f*** does that make sense? I think it's a disagreement on what cheers / boos should mean. Personally, I think you should cheer who you're enjoying / boo who you're not regardless of alignment. |
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Apr 4, 2012 2:23:29 GMT -5
I want to wait and see if the fans actually popped for his rude remarks or if it's just because Daniel Bryan was talking. I also know it's not real life, however in wrestling, the bad guy SHOULD be booed. If he's doing bad things, the fans should want to boo him. Using your American Pie example, you're entertained by Stifler, but do you want him to be the protagonist of the next movie? No, you should want him to still be the asshole he is. And just because you're entertained by what he does, doesn't mean you necessarily have to support the character for doing bad things. There's a difference between enjoying what the character does and justifying his actions. That's why the AJ na-na bulls*** annoys me because the fans shouldn't be justifying what Daniel Bryan's been doing for the last four months just because they love chanting YES and love watching the guy wrestle. It's like oh AJ got trampled over by Big Show, insulted multiple times, treated like s***, and humiliated since December ALL because of Daniel Bryan, and now SHE'S the one who's getting crapped on by the live audience? How the f*** does that make sense? I think it's a disagreement on what cheers / boos should mean. Personally, I think you should cheer who you're enjoying / boo who you're not regardless of alignment. Yes, but they're booing AJ SPECIFICALLY because Daniel Bryan sent her packing, meaning booing her because she's not aligned with him anymore. That's my point. This has nothing to do with storyline, characters, or entertainment value, but putting down anything that opposes Daniel Bryan, no matter what they do. |
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Post by Timmy8271 on Apr 4, 2012 2:25:35 GMT -5
I'd say Cena and Orton got more heat than Sheamus. Hell even Percy Watson and Tyson Kidd got chants during NXT and superstars. Teddy Long also got a huge pop.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2012 2:26:40 GMT -5
I think it's a disagreement on what cheers / boos should mean. Personally, I think you should cheer who you're enjoying / boo who you're not regardless of alignment. Yes, but they're booing AJ SPECIFICALLY because Daniel Bryan sent her packing, meaning booing her because she's not aligned with him anymore. That's my point. This has nothing to do with storyline, characters, or entertainment value, but putting down anything that opposes Daniel Bryan, no matter what they do. Because they enjoy Bryan and find his character to be the side of things they're entertained by, and he's casting her out. If they're cheering for one side of things it makes sense to be booing the other. I'll grant if this were happening with real people such a reaction would be pretty horrible but being fictional excuses a lot. |
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Post by Big DSR Energy on Apr 4, 2012 2:36:33 GMT -5
I'm excited by the prospect of Damien Sandow debuting. I've grown to enjoy him thanks to FCW.
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Post by Dub H on Apr 4, 2012 2:47:01 GMT -5
thank you Jonathan!good to hear from someone that was there Yeah I was there too. Yes! chants were 70% of what they were on Monday, still pretty high. Sheamus got the most heat on the card, with the exception of Johnny Ace. You can search Twitter for live tweets of the event, and they all back what I say. They sang that "good bye" song on AJ's way out, and chanted "Yes!" at her as she left. Tweets, and a few youtube vids will also confirm this. Search for them. Funny, I looked up old posts of yours, and they are very pro Sheamus, and not the biggest D-Bry fan. This reeks of you just trying to convince everyone of your views... Now i dont know what believe! And i cant believe what WWE will show on TV either... |
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Apr 4, 2012 2:47:44 GMT -5
I think it's a disagreement on what cheers / boos should mean. Personally, I think you should cheer who you're enjoying / boo who you're not regardless of alignment. Yes, but they're booing AJ SPECIFICALLY because Daniel Bryan sent her packing, meaning booing her because she's not aligned with him anymore. That's my point. This has nothing to do with storyline, characters, or entertainment value, but putting down anything that opposes Daniel Bryan, no matter what they do. It's a slippery slope with the AJ character though because she was never, at any time, shown to be anything but naively stupid. She never realized she was being used, allowed herself to be manipulated, and demonstrated a classic sense of battered wife syndrome right to the end. In contrast, a Miss Elizabeth, her character precursor in the 1980's, always emoted hurt and disapproval over Randy's evil nature and paranoid arrogance. That was why she received sympathy to the point where everyone wanted to see her end up in a relationship with George The Animal Steele of all people - because unlike Mach in those days, Animal showed a pure love for her that she then emoted having a platonic appreciation for. The thing with Liz however, unlike AJ, is that you were left to believe there was something about Macho that she loved that he wasn't showing on TV; something that they later exploited and revealed when Savage turned face after Honky tried to El Kabong her. The problem with AJ is she doesn't convey any true respect. She has Stockholm Syndrome. And Bryan's perceived nerdiness made her dismissal almost hilarious as a result. If it was an alpha male doing it, it'd surely draw sympathy. But it's a goofy vegan dude who drives a Prius and brags about recycling responsibly dumping a clueless babe under the most absurd circumstances. It almost becomes black comedy as a result, as thus, people pop. |
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Post by Jimmy on Apr 4, 2012 2:54:36 GMT -5
AJ's character was with DB before he turned into a self-centered asshole though. I don't think she was naively stupid then.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Apr 4, 2012 2:58:26 GMT -5
AJ's character was with DB before he turned into a self-centered asshole though. I don't think she was naively stupid then. I think they jumped the gun on breaking them up. I think it'd be an interesting twist had she been revealed to be as rotten as Bryan. She could fake getting hurt, and cost Sheamus the win when he shows sympathy and tends to her. That's how I wanted Mania to go. I thought a longer Sheamus chase made more sense. Plus, an evil nerd power couple is a great and original angle that's never been done before. |
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Apr 4, 2012 4:08:29 GMT -5
Yeah I was there too. Yes! chants were 70% of what they were on Monday, still pretty high. Sheamus got the most heat on the card, with the exception of Johnny Ace. You can search Twitter for live tweets of the event, and they all back what I say. They sang that "good bye" song on AJ's way out, and chanted "Yes!" at her as she left. Tweets, and a few youtube vids will also confirm this. Search for them. Funny, I looked up old posts of yours, and they are very pro Sheamus, and not the biggest D-Bry fan. This reeks of you just trying to convince everyone of your views... Now i dont know what believe! And i cant believe what WWE will show on TV either... Me, because I don't accuse anyone who disagrees with me of bias, I have rarely spoken of Sheamus here, can't remember really saying anything about him lately, I like the guy, he's shown charisma, but that doesn't negate the fact that most people in my immediate area were riding Bryan pretty hard, booing him lustily and talking to each other about how poorly he was treating her, of course, that didn't stop them from chanting YES again once the promo was over. And, yes, as a matter of fact, I find Bryan far more interesting as a heel, maybe that's because Cole isn't constantly burying him anymore, making anytime Bryan appeared difficult to sit through, that doesn't change the FACT that Sheamus having the second most heat can be attributed to the fact that hardly anyone else had any, Or the fact that the Yes chants we're neither as frequent or boisterous as in Miami, where I was as well, at RAW, where it basically became a running gag/meme. And the Goodbye chant was not exactly arena wide either, and it faded in and out. I have no bias in these statements, I hate Cena, but he got the biggest pop of the night, by far, but I will not be called a liar. |
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Post by Cronant on Apr 4, 2012 4:58:45 GMT -5
I'm still curious as to what the hell they could have possibly done after just one week of those chants with half the show already booked. And the guy is still going to get his rematch, and he acknowledged the chants, and he didn't have a match to get 'jobbed out' on.
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Post by icemansiva on Apr 4, 2012 5:06:29 GMT -5
did the crowd ruin a perfectly acceptable sheamus v adr match?
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Post by breakdownthewalls on Apr 4, 2012 6:45:34 GMT -5
did the crowd ruin a perfectly acceptable sheamus v adr match? Sounds like they enhanced it to me. The only way you can really ruin a match is to just sit on your hands the whole time and be dead silent. |
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Apr 4, 2012 7:19:07 GMT -5
What's with all the new debuts/returns? :/
Tensai, Ryback, Lesnar and Sandow. That's a lot of new/revamped/returning guys for the WWE fans to digest. Gonna be hard for some of them to get over imo.
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Post by 543Y2J on Apr 4, 2012 7:24:07 GMT -5
What's with all the new debuts/returns? :/ Tensai, Ryback, Lesnar and Sandow. That's a lot of new/revamped/returning guys for the WWE fans to digest. Gonna be hard for some of them to get over imo. I can understand that opinion. But from my view it freshens the roster up considerably. You need to keep the process going of introducing new people and take people up to a higher level. Thats why I think its great about HHH plan for developmental guys to come in with a storyline/fued in place. |
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Apr 4, 2012 7:30:34 GMT -5
I can understand that opinion. But from my view it freshens the roster up considerably. You need to keep the process going of introducing new people and take people up to a higher level. Thats why I think its great about HHH plan for developmental guys to come in with a storyline/fued in place. I always like new guys debuting, it's always fun to see fresh faces and what they can do. But I just think the debuts should be spread out a bit more. 4 new/returning guys in the same week seems like a bit much really. Not only for the fans to take too but also for the WWE creative to focus on. Last time they debuted a bunch of guys all in a short space of time, Ryan Braddock, Gavin Spears and Colt Cabana were all completely ignored by creative. Hopefully I'm wrong and each guy can get over with the crowd and, be entered into immedate storylines and such. It would be great for both brands to be freshened up. |
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Post by CH Punk on Apr 4, 2012 7:32:25 GMT -5
Yes, but they're booing AJ SPECIFICALLY because Daniel Bryan sent her packing, meaning booing her because she's not aligned with him anymore. That's my point. This has nothing to do with storyline, characters, or entertainment value, but putting down anything that opposes Daniel Bryan, no matter what they do. Because they enjoy Bryan and find his character to be the side of things they're entertained by, and he's casting her out. If they're cheering for one side of things it makes sense to be booing the other. I'll grant if this were happening with real people such a reaction would be pretty horrible but being fictional excuses a lot. Part of it is that, but, I think, it could also be attributed to the backlash against the Mania match and the continuation of what happened at Raw because, going into the Mania match, Bryan was very consistent in getting good heat from the crowd by abusing AJ and by doing his vegan shtick. |
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Apr 4, 2012 7:39:14 GMT -5
I can understand that opinion. But from my view it freshens the roster up considerably. You need to keep the process going of introducing new people and take people up to a higher level. Thats why I think its great about HHH plan for developmental guys to come in with a storyline/fued in place. I always like new guys debuting, it's always fun to see fresh faces and what they can do. But I just think the debuts should be spread out a bit more. 4 new/returning guys in the same week seems like a bit much really. Not only for the fans to take too but also for the WWE creative to focus on. Last time they debuted a bunch of guys all in a short space of time, Ryan Braddock, Gavin Spears and Colt Cabana were all completely ignored by creative. Hopefully I'm wrong and each guy can get over with the crowd and, be entered into immedate storylines and such. It would be great for both brands to be freshened up. Braddock, Spears, and Goldman were never really meant to be more than jobber fodder, though. It seems like they have actual plans for some of these guys. Granted, you may have a point here when it comes to having a few too many debuts at once, but I don't think we can compare Ryback and Tensai to Ryan Braddock and Gavin Spears. |
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Post by Psychoblue on Apr 4, 2012 7:39:15 GMT -5
I like how out of all of the derrogatory things Bryan could have called a woman, the worst offense he could think of was calling AJ "fat."
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Post by CH Punk on Apr 4, 2012 7:41:18 GMT -5
I like how out of all of the derrogatory things Bryan could have called a woman, the worst offense he could think of was calling AJ "fat." He said it because it makes no sense at all to say that to her. |
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