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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 22, 2012 20:08:05 GMT -5
It's a civil rights movement if you're taking it at face value, but beneath that veneer, it's fear mongering and it is looking to silence a portion of the population for how they were born. It's lumping every bender into the same group as the Triads and the Fire Nation army's war crimes. Once you look past the platitudes, you see the angry, hateful core of the movement. Yeah, the last episode demonstrated that better. When it was the guy in the park yelling, I made that connection. This last episode made it clear that he wasn't interested in being socially equal, but in becoming the ruling class by force. Still, it really is a lot more complex than "My kingdom is prosperous, I'm going to kill and subjugate everyone else." I agree. It, like Amon, hides behind a mask. It will definitely be a compelling force against the Avatar.
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Post by Alex Shelley on Apr 22, 2012 20:13:31 GMT -5
but atla spent a LOT of time with sokka, suki, mai and ty lee establishing that not being a bender doesn't mean you can't do incredible things and be incredibly powerful
sokka ultimately became a great inventor and strategist and his story in the series was entirely *about* being powerful as a nonbender
suki was a total badass warrior who left her village to help aid people in the war, she defied freaking gravity and could kick pretty much anyone in the show but azula/ty lee/mai's ass. also she took charge of a war balloon.
with mai and ty lee, take note that the two people azula could trust to accomplish anything she needed were nonbenders. you can't even argue that she felt safer with nonbenders because they weren't as risky, because ty lee's entire character was based on the fact that she WAS more powerful than benders and could take down entire groups of them at once. ty lee was the only person azula ever had to fear before her meltdown (and her meltdown was caused by ty lee to begin with)
being a bender frequently just means that you're shoved into doing municipal work using your bending as a tool (omashu was run on earthbending, firebenders in korra are seen working in electrical plants, earthbenders are used for strength, etc). outside of times or war, and outside of being a crime lord, bending doesn't seem to be that big of an advantage
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Post by Red Impact on Apr 22, 2012 20:25:57 GMT -5
This is though, the nations were all built around bending and the most of the leaders of different areas. The only one that wasn't that we saw was the Earth King, and he was a puppet leader anyways, while we saw the Culture Police, all benders, being the real rulers. Even Republic City was established and run by the leader of the Benders, and the most popular past time in the city is exclusive to benders. So while benders might get pushed into roles, they're also the only ones who really run the show. They have the most influence, they make the most decisions, and it's far rarer for a non-bender to become prominent if they aren't attached to a bender.
And there's also the fact that not all benders stuck to their roles. Benders have abused their power before, and destroyed countless cabbages, hence why there are those gangs in the city. Not everyone is going to be a circus acrobat who spent years studying pressure points and is able to block chi gates, the people running their shops or farming crops have to have some means of recourse as well.
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 22, 2012 20:30:59 GMT -5
There's no denying the fears and resentment has base, but it like Citten pointed out, a lot of it is hypocritical, or could apply to the other elite fighters, etc.
Amon's movement counts on people being unable to see benders are people with problems, as well, and the advent of machinery has made it much easier for them to do.
Honestly? I would not be surprised if Amon himself is a bender.
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Post by horsemen4ever on Apr 22, 2012 22:26:41 GMT -5
Well anyone heard the news Zuko is alive. He is an embassader after retiring from being Fire Lord which I didn't know you were allowed to do, but than again Ozai did do that to become the Phonex King, anyway Zuko's daughter is the current Fire Lord.
I think it would be great if the current Fire Lord was born with Azula's talent of Fire Bending and even intelligence, and shows us what Azula could have been if raised in a loving family oppose to be raised by Ozai.
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 22, 2012 22:27:42 GMT -5
Spoiler tags are available for a reason. Please don't do stuff like that.
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Post by Alex Shelley on Apr 22, 2012 22:39:34 GMT -5
Spoiler tags are available for a reason. Please don't do stuff like that. it's not a spoiler i don't think? it was official information given out by the creators, it's intended to be known
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 22, 2012 22:55:08 GMT -5
Spoiler tags are available for a reason. Please don't do stuff like that. it's not a spoiler i don't think? it was official information given out by the creators, it's intended to be known I guess, but I have been trying pretty hard to not find out anything other than what the show gives out, so I didn't know that. Carry on then. ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png)
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Post by Citizen Grimm on Apr 22, 2012 23:56:10 GMT -5
but atla spent a LOT of time with sokka, suki, mai and ty lee establishing that not being a bender doesn't mean you can't do incredible things and be incredibly powerful sokka ultimately became a great inventor and strategist and his story in the series was entirely *about* being powerful as a nonbender suki was a total badass warrior who left her village to help aid people in the war, she defied freaking gravity and could kick pretty much anyone in the show but azula/ty lee/mai's ass. also she took charge of a war balloon. with mai and ty lee, take note that the two people azula could trust to accomplish anything she needed were nonbenders. you can't even argue that she felt safer with nonbenders because they weren't as risky, because ty lee's entire character was based on the fact that she WAS more powerful than benders and could take down entire groups of them at once. ty lee was the only person azula ever had to fear before her meltdown (and her meltdown was caused by ty lee to begin with) being a bender frequently just means that you're shoved into doing municipal work using your bending as a tool (omashu was run on earthbending, firebenders in korra are seen working in electrical plants, earthbenders are used for strength, etc). outside of times or war, and outside of being a crime lord, bending doesn't seem to be that big of an advantage While true, its been quite some time since then and I'm assuming that benders have grown quite a big in number. In addition to this, a majority of people who get taken advantage of by benders are basic civilians, which Sokka, Suki, Ty Lee and Mai weren't. Each of them had some sort of martial arts/weapon background that they could defend themselves with. A city full of regular people who don't have those backgrounds aren't going to be able to do much to stop a strong bender.
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Post by horsemen4ever on Apr 23, 2012 5:32:22 GMT -5
Spoiler tags are available for a reason. Please don't do stuff like that. Ok
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 23, 2012 5:43:20 GMT -5
Spoiler tags are available for a reason. Please don't do stuff like that. Ok No, it was my mistake, if it's not actual episode spoilers.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Apr 23, 2012 13:31:03 GMT -5
Even if it was revealed by the show creators I still consider it a spoiler.........
I wanted to be surprised by Zuko being alive, now that is spoiled. Thus, spoiler.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Apr 23, 2012 13:38:45 GMT -5
Even if it was revealed by the show creators I still consider it a spoiler......... I wanted to be surprised by Zuko being alive, now that is spoiled. Thus, spoiler. You didn't put your complaint about it being a spoiler in a spoiler tag. I have an inkling that Amon is actually a bender.
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Post by Alex Shelley on Apr 23, 2012 16:33:07 GMT -5
Even if it was revealed by the show creators I still consider it a spoiler......... I wanted to be surprised by Zuko being alive, now that is spoiled. Thus, spoiler. the info is released in an online game that is intended to supplement the show though maybe it's something you don't want to know yet, but that's by no means a spoiler
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Post by Red Impact on Apr 23, 2012 16:48:39 GMT -5
Whether you consider it a spoiler or not, I wish it had been in tags. I've been very careful to try to avoid future plot elements for the show, even if it is information released from an official source. That's a pretty big reveal that hasn't been talked about in the shows that have been aired.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Apr 23, 2012 16:57:25 GMT -5
Whether you consider it a spoiler or not, I wish it had been in tags. I've been very careful to try to avoid future plot elements for the show, even if it is information released from an official source. That's a pretty big reveal that hasn't been talked about in the shows that have been aired. Exactly this.
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Post by Alex Shelley on Apr 23, 2012 20:01:26 GMT -5
okay, but... do you get pissed when people talk about things that have been posted on wwe.com?
because that's exactly the same thing
if you want to avoid knowing things that the fans are supposed to know at this point, that's your own responsibility, not the responsibility of everybody else
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Apr 23, 2012 21:09:42 GMT -5
okay, but... do you get pissed when people talk about things that have been posted on wwe.com? because that's exactly the same thing if you want to avoid knowing things that the fans are supposed to know at this point, that's your own responsibility, not the responsibility of everybody else No, because I don't follow the WWE. Also, just because it was put on the official website doesn't mean the fans are "supposed" to know it. You talk like every fan goes to the official website. I don't go to the official website for this very reason! So I would appreciate it if from now on anything that shows up on the website but not yet on the show to be discussed in spoiler tags, or I'll just stop coming to this thread. You know what, forget it, I'll just do that instead. Continue on as usual, I'll come back when the season ends.
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Post by Red Impact on Apr 23, 2012 21:18:32 GMT -5
okay, but... do you get pissed when people talk about things that have been posted on wwe.com? because that's exactly the same thing if you want to avoid knowing things that the fans are supposed to know at this point, that's your own responsibility, not the responsibility of everybody else Not really, because I've never really been invested in WWE the way I was with Avatar. The most I have to wait to see a WWE show is a few days. It's been 4 years since Avatar: The Last Airbender ended, and it was one of my favorite series. If WWE wants to reveal a MitB cash in on their website, I don't care that much, and the trick is, I don't have to. There's no rule that says I have to show equal outrage every time something similar happens to something I don't like. And as for your second part, if this was me being upset because I went into the Mass Effect 3 thread and got pissed off because I hadn't beaten the game and saw people talking about spoilers openly, then you would have a point. But it's not, and you're wrong when you say it's information we're "supposed to know." Sneak peaks aren't necessary to understand or experience the current episodes properly. Simply being available as a reward for people who played an optional online game isn't the same thing as being information that everyone needs to know. It's not saying "this is vital background information that everyone who watches this show needs to know before continuing," it's saying "Hey, thank you for playing our game. As a reward, here's a preview clip of a future episode!" This thread has been completely speculation and discussion based on the show as it's been airing. So not only is it not being careless to go in it expecting that people are paying attention and discussing the episodes, it's just basic common sense that if people were going to talk about future episode plots that they'd use the spoiler tags that exist for that very reason. That is, afterall, the very reason for their existence, and it's just common courtesy to do so. No one is being asked to do anything outlandish, information about future episodes should be in tags if the episode hasn't aired yet.
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Post by Bobeddy on Apr 23, 2012 21:20:55 GMT -5
okay, but... do you get pissed when people talk about things that have been posted on wwe.com? because that's exactly the same thing if you want to avoid knowing things that the fans are supposed to know at this point, that's your own responsibility, not the responsibility of everybody else Well if we're going to liken it to wwe.com, there was that time that Edge cashed in MITB on SD and everyone knew for like 3 days. But regardless we still kept it as a spoiler until it aired. As far as I'm concerned if it hasn't aired and will be mentioned at some point then it's a spoiler. I know I'm like a lot of people when I say I've tried to go into this blind.
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