The Ichi
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Post by The Ichi on Sept 10, 2011 8:20:34 GMT -5
I know he's had booking that would make Kane facepalm, but Abyss isn't as bad in the ring as he's made out to be.
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Post by unoriginalalex on Sept 10, 2011 9:27:32 GMT -5
She's probably better than Ashley Massaro (was).
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Sajoa Moe
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Post by Sajoa Moe on Sept 10, 2011 10:13:21 GMT -5
I know he's had booking that would make Kane facepalm, but Abyss isn't as bad in the ring as he's made out to be. Abyss used to be awesome. I recently watched his match with AJ Styles at Lockdown 2005 and both guys delivered big time. He's just ridiculously out of shape and the horrible booking of his character over the last four years probably hasn't helped his morale.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Sept 10, 2011 11:32:49 GMT -5
Yes. She's not very good but calling her the worst wrestler in the world is a bit of a stretch considering all the untalented lugs out there on the indys (no offense to any of the indy workers who post here of course).
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comahan
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Post by comahan on Sept 10, 2011 11:44:34 GMT -5
Plenty.
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Celgress
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Post by Celgress on Sept 10, 2011 12:41:25 GMT -5
I know he's had booking that would make Kane facepalm, but Abyss isn't as bad in the ring as he's made out to be. Abyss used to be awesome. I recently watched his match with AJ Styles at Lockdown 2005 and both guys delivered big time. He's just ridiculously out of shape and the horrible booking of his character over the last four years probably hasn't helped his morale. agreed
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Celgress
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Post by Celgress on Sept 10, 2011 12:42:44 GMT -5
Yes. She's not very good but calling her the worst wrestler in the world is a bit of a stretch..... indeed
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MrBRulzOK
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Sept 10, 2011 13:19:41 GMT -5
Jenna Morasca from Survivor pretty much clinches the win on this IMO. But that means verifying Jenna as a wrestler. I just can't bring myself to do that.
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Massive G
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Post by Massive G on Sept 10, 2011 13:28:41 GMT -5
maybe. When you whittle it down to "on national TV", the question becomes more difficult to answer.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Sept 10, 2011 13:42:25 GMT -5
Hasn't she been wrestling for like, 7 years? At the very least, the majority of the other bad wrestlers in TNA can just be blamed on the fact that they're green. Velvet, on the other hand, has been wrestling for years and is still terrible. That being said, no, I wouldn't call her the worst of all time.
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Post by Protest the Chris Hero on Sept 10, 2011 13:43:33 GMT -5
Velvet is mega over with the audience, and is hot (the latter no doubt determining the former). Those two things are the only positives I can honestly think of. How can you tell when everything is way overdubbed?
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Sept 10, 2011 13:54:48 GMT -5
Velvet is mega over with the audience, and is hot (the latter no doubt determining the former). Those two things are the only positives I can honestly think of. How can you tell when everything is way overdubbed? Simple: watch the audience when the super boos or cheers erupt. If the crowd isn't making any noise then it's nothing but piped in hype.
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Post by Kash Flagg on Sept 10, 2011 13:59:34 GMT -5
Khali.
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Post by clashofchampains on Sept 10, 2011 15:34:02 GMT -5
She's definitely way better than Lacey Von Erich and Kelly Kelly at least. I know Velvet's been one of the most disliked wrestlers on this forum for a while now, but I don't think she's that bad. The only real problem I have with her is that her strikes can look a little weak. And it's not like she's dominating her division like John Cena or Michelle McCool. She was on a losing streak for a good part of the year, has only been champion one time (tag team at that), and usually only wins by the skin of her teeth. I can understand the feeling that she is in too many feuds, but it's not like she's being treated like she's the best in TNA. I agree. I think the booking of her is clouding her ability. She seems to perform within her boundaries. She's certainly not the standard bearer in TNA and I agree she's getting pushed way beyond her means, but she's alright by me. Her booking clouds her ability? If anything pushing her this hard makes people forget that she can't wrestle. I call it "The Cena Factor".
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Sept 10, 2011 16:25:09 GMT -5
I agree. I think the booking of her is clouding her ability. She seems to perform within her boundaries. She's certainly not the standard bearer in TNA and I agree she's getting pushed way beyond her means, but she's alright by me. Her booking clouds her ability? If anything pushing her this hard makes people forget that she can't wrestle. I call it "The Cena Factor". Yeah, 'cause Cena's such a terrible wrestler. Seriously, is this 2006?
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Post by Krimzon on Sept 10, 2011 16:34:22 GMT -5
Velvet isn't as bad as her latest run has made her seem. Her wrestling style is MUCH better suited for a heel than a face. She is absolute garbage as a face and her wrestling reflects that. As a heel, and part of the Beautiful People, she was halfway decent. That's how Velvet is best used. Some people just aren't cut out to be faces. Velvet Sky is one of them.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Sept 10, 2011 23:04:09 GMT -5
Her main problem is that the booking still seems to almost revolve around her. She isn't bad per-se but she's not good enough to justify that.
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Post by clashofchampains on Sept 11, 2011 4:27:33 GMT -5
Her booking clouds her ability? If anything pushing her this hard makes people forget that she can't wrestle. I call it "The Cena Factor". Yeah, 'cause Cena's such a terrible wrestler. Seriously, is this 2006? No it's clarity hitting you in the face. I can't stand Cena apologists.
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comahan
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Post by comahan on Sept 11, 2011 4:50:52 GMT -5
Velvet isn't as bad as her latest run has made her seem. Her wrestling style is MUCH better suited for a heel than a face. She is absolute garbage as a face and her wrestling reflects that. As a heel, and part of the Beautiful People, she was halfway decent. That's how Velvet is best used. Some people just aren't cut out to be faces. Velvet Sky is one of them. Definitely agree with all of that. Good heel, bad babyface.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Sept 11, 2011 4:58:43 GMT -5
Yeah, 'cause Cena's such a terrible wrestler. Seriously, is this 2006? No it's clarity hitting you in the face. I can't stand Cena apologists. Wow, you.. you really believe that, don't you? That's... well, amazing, really. Honestly, in 2011, the only people I can honestly understand saying that are blind Cena-haters and 12 year olds on YouTube that say stuff like "PG SUX" and "Additud Rulz" because boobs and bloodshed. This is a guy who has proven, on almost any stage, that he can bring it. He carried the frickin' Great Khali to a watchable match. Cena, in my humble opinion, has proven to rational people that he, in fact, CAN wrestle.
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