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Post by Branimal on Oct 24, 2011 8:32:03 GMT -5
( a word that needs to go away already, btw)
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Post by PKO on Oct 24, 2011 8:54:05 GMT -5
It was a good match. Genuinely good. Not "oh I'm surprised that was alright" ala Kelly/Beth, it was actually good. Basically, it looked good to me.
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Post by Cronant on Oct 24, 2011 9:15:54 GMT -5
It was alright, although at least 2 of the Kelly/Beth matches were better.
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Oct 24, 2011 12:38:20 GMT -5
It was a good match. Genuinely good. Not "oh I'm surprised that was alright" ala Kelly/Beth, it was actually good. Basically, it looked good to me. Was it everything you wanted and everything you needed?
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Post by HBL on Oct 24, 2011 14:49:56 GMT -5
Other than the overusal of the 'Cry!' catchprase,the match was pretty good.And yeah,terrible new theme for Eve.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2011 14:52:11 GMT -5
I feel so guilty for liking her new theme. And yeah, Eve is miles ahead of Kelly but just doesnt get any real direction, and as a result, gets no reaction. I still think they need to aim towards her BJJ attributes and play her up as a submission specialist. It'd be funny if they paired her up with Daniel Bryan and gave them matching SUBMISSION WRESTLING shirts
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2011 16:49:09 GMT -5
It was alright, although at least 2 of the Kelly/Beth matches were better. The Kelly-Beth SummerSlam and Night of Champions matches were more exciting matches and actually had hot crowds (in general, not just by “diva standards”). Beth-Eve last night was on par with Beth-Kelly at Hell in a Cell. A serviceable match with a dead crowd for the most part. I don’t know whether to be happy that this match exceeded my expectations or bemoan the fact that the standards for the divas are so low these days that what was still probably the worst match on the show is receiving such praise.
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Oct 24, 2011 17:00:40 GMT -5
Wow, there's a lot of backhanded "compliments" in this thread, not to mention the non-compliments altogether. Kelly Kelly doesn't you-know-what the bed and all of a sudden, she's "proven the haters wrong;" Eve and Beth put on an entertaining match, namely one that doesn't completely fall on Beth completely carrying her opponent through the entire thing, and it's still getting crapped on? What the hell?
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Post by FUNK_US/BRODUS on Oct 24, 2011 17:45:26 GMT -5
Wow, there's a lot of backhanded "compliments" in this thread, not to mention the non-compliments altogether. Kelly Kelly doesn't you-know-what the bed and all of a sudden, she's "proven the haters wrong;" Eve and Beth put on an entertaining match, namely one that doesn't completely fall on Beth completely carrying her opponent through the entire thing, and it's still getting crapped on? What the hell? I guess people will just always hate Eve. Personally, I feel bad for her because she works a damn sight harder than Kelly, has much better offense and because of the way she is pushed, gets zero reaction, whereas Kelly has been the spotlight diva for so long and as a result has the overness to go with it.
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Post by BigWill on Oct 24, 2011 17:58:45 GMT -5
I was never really an Eve "hater", but yeah, the match was great. My problem with Eve is that she's just there. Nothing about her really stands out. It would help if she had a gimmick of some kind (hyping up her BJJ skills could be a step in the right direction) , and if the WWE would stop shoehorning her into storylines when she's not needed.
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Post by Brother Nero....Wolfe on Oct 24, 2011 18:07:51 GMT -5
I didn't like the match much, but it wasn't bad. Hell, I watched it!
...Also I confess I liked hew new theme.
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Post by Urfarkendarf on Oct 24, 2011 18:09:17 GMT -5
"Eve mark" lololol
No, really. Does anyone mark for EVE?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2011 18:12:02 GMT -5
IMO eve didn't do anything better than she has done before only thing different is the length of time her and beth got which was a bit more than usual.
The match was good but this sudden eve is amazing is slightly exagerated IMO , both of kellys matches with beth supasses lastnights but thats due to beth noticably especially at NOC workin overtime in the effort department.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Oct 24, 2011 18:44:14 GMT -5
Wow, there's a lot of backhanded "compliments" in this thread, not to mention the non-compliments altogether. Kelly Kelly doesn't you-know-what the bed and all of a sudden, she's "proven the haters wrong;" Eve and Beth put on an entertaining match, namely one that doesn't completely fall on Beth completely carrying her opponent through the entire thing, and it's still getting crapped on? What the hell? Crapping on it? The entire first page is rather generous to her. Okay, she had an above average match. I'm not going to mark for someone that void of anything resembling a personality because somebody on the Internet complimented Kelly Kelly. It just doesn't work that way. And how is the myth of K2's "sustained push" still going? Before the storyline with Vickie Guerrero and Team LayCool, Kelly Kelly did exactly nothing of note after she was drafted from ECW save for jobbing to the next big thing every now and then. That's a three year gap of straight bupkus. Hell, before her Viewer's Choice victory for the Divas Championship, I don't remember her winning a single match. She was just over. She was never pushed, she just... stayed over.
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Post by BigWill on Oct 24, 2011 19:03:51 GMT -5
Wow, there's a lot of backhanded "compliments" in this thread, not to mention the non-compliments altogether. Kelly Kelly doesn't you-know-what the bed and all of a sudden, she's "proven the haters wrong;" Eve and Beth put on an entertaining match, namely one that doesn't completely fall on Beth completely carrying her opponent through the entire thing, and it's still getting crapped on? What the hell? Crapping on it? The entire first page is rather generous to her. Okay, she had an above average match. I'm not going to mark for someone that void of anything resembling a personality because somebody on the Internet complimented Kelly Kelly. It just doesn't work that way. And how is the myth of K2's "sustained push" still going? Before the storyline with Vickie Guerrero and Team LayCool, Kelly Kelly did exactly nothing of note after she was drafted from ECW save for jobbing to the next big thing every now and then. That's a three year gap of straight bupkus. Hell, before her Viewer's Choice victory for the Divas Championship, I don't remember her winning a single match. She was just over. She was never pushed, she just... stayed over. While Kelly Kelly might not have ever gotten a huge sustained push, she still got pushed more than any other diva on the roster in recent years, except for maybe McCool. She may have jobbed a lot, but she was getting multiple title shots, put in various storylines, and was made sure she made TV appearances almost every week. While most other divas would get random yo-yo pushes where they'd get pushed for a while then suddenly not appear on TV for weeks, or wind up getting stuck on Superstars. She may have only gotten a big push recently, but ever since her debut, the WWE's made sure she never became irrelevant.
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Post by Cronant on Oct 24, 2011 19:11:42 GMT -5
Crapping on it? The entire first page is rather generous to her. Okay, she had an above average match. I'm not going to mark for someone that void of anything resembling a personality because somebody on the Internet complimented Kelly Kelly. It just doesn't work that way. And how is the myth of K2's "sustained push" still going? Before the storyline with Vickie Guerrero and Team LayCool, Kelly Kelly did exactly nothing of note after she was drafted from ECW save for jobbing to the next big thing every now and then. That's a three year gap of straight bupkus. Hell, before her Viewer's Choice victory for the Divas Championship, I don't remember her winning a single match. She was just over. She was never pushed, she just... stayed over. While Kelly Kelly might not have ever gotten a huge sustained push, she still got pushed more than any other diva on the roster in recent years, except for maybe McCool. She may have jobbed a lot, but she was getting multiple title shots, put in various storylines, and was made sure she made TV appearances almost every week. While most other divas would get random yo-yo pushes where they'd get pushed for a while then suddenly not appear on TV for weeks, or wind up getting stuck on Superstars. She may have only gotten a big push recently, but ever since her debut, the WWE's made sure she never became irrelevant. Multiple title shots? She had that one against Layla last year, and the ones this year. That was it, as far as serious title contention. And almost all of her stories went nowhere and had nothing to do with her in ring, it was all backstage stuff. She's spent the majority of the time as the babyface jobber to whoever they wanted as top heel, whether it was Beth, Maryse, Layla, or McCool. She's been on the roster for a while, and made enough appearances every few weeks. But thats no push, that just mean she isn't Rosa Mendes. They let far less over divas get storylines and PPV matches before she did. Hell, Eve got 2 title reigns before her, and how made any sense is anyone's guess.
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Post by Magician under the moonlight on Oct 24, 2011 19:25:54 GMT -5
While Kelly Kelly might not have ever gotten a huge sustained push, she still got pushed more than any other diva on the roster in recent years, except for maybe McCool. She may have jobbed a lot, but she was getting multiple title shots, put in various storylines, and was made sure she made TV appearances almost every week. While most other divas would get random yo-yo pushes where they'd get pushed for a while then suddenly not appear on TV for weeks, or wind up getting stuck on Superstars. She may have only gotten a big push recently, but ever since her debut, the WWE's made sure she never became irrelevant. Multiple title shots? She had that one against Layla last year, and the ones this year. That was it, as far as serious title contention. And almost all of her stories went nowhere and had nothing to do with her in ring, it was all backstage stuff. She's spent the majority of the time as the babyface jobber to whoever they wanted as top heel, whether it was Beth, Maryse, Layla, or McCool. She's been on the roster for a while, and made enough appearances every few weeks. But thats no push, that just mean she isn't Rosa Mendes. They let far less over divas get storylines and PPV matches before she did. Hell, Eve got 2 title reigns before her, and how made any sense is anyone's guess. I was surprised that she wasn't even involved in this year's wrestlemania.
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Post by BigWill on Oct 24, 2011 19:26:16 GMT -5
While Kelly Kelly might not have ever gotten a huge sustained push, she still got pushed more than any other diva on the roster in recent years, except for maybe McCool. She may have jobbed a lot, but she was getting multiple title shots, put in various storylines, and was made sure she made TV appearances almost every week. While most other divas would get random yo-yo pushes where they'd get pushed for a while then suddenly not appear on TV for weeks, or wind up getting stuck on Superstars. She may have only gotten a big push recently, but ever since her debut, the WWE's made sure she never became irrelevant. Multiple title shots? She had that one against Layla last year, and the ones this year. That was it, as far as serious title contention. And almost all of her stories went nowhere and had nothing to do with her in ring, it was all backstage stuff. She's spent the majority of the time as the babyface jobber to whoever they wanted as top heel, whether it was Beth, Maryse, Layla, or McCool. She also had a title shot aginst Maryse a few years back. And I said she was jobbing a lot. I'm not disputing that, but the fact that she was at least constantly being put in the ring with the top heels at the time says something, win or lose. And yeah she was put in multiple storylines that went no where, but there hasn't been a diva storyline that's gone anywhere since Piggy James. The fact that she's been in multiple storylines and is always on TV, is alone more than what most of the divas have gotten.
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Post by Spec_Sun on Oct 24, 2011 19:30:26 GMT -5
There has never been a point where I thought Eve was boring. I enjoy most of her matches. It's not her fault that the E makes the division seem irrelevant most of the time. I thought her match with Beth last night was very good.
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Post by Cronant on Oct 24, 2011 19:30:51 GMT -5
Multiple title shots? She had that one against Layla last year, and the ones this year. That was it, as far as serious title contention. And almost all of her stories went nowhere and had nothing to do with her in ring, it was all backstage stuff. She's spent the majority of the time as the babyface jobber to whoever they wanted as top heel, whether it was Beth, Maryse, Layla, or McCool. She also had a title shot aginst Maryse a few years back. And I said she was jobbing a lot. I'm not disputing that, but the fact that she was at least constantly being put in the ring with the top heels at the time says something, win or lose. And yeah she was put in multiple storylines that went no where, but there hasn't been a diva storyline that's gone anywhere since Piggy James. The fact that she's been in multiple storylines and is always on TV, is alone more than what most of the divas have gotten. Thats not a push though, in any way. She's been there longer than anyone else currently, so yeah, she's been on TV more. She just happened to be the backup face that could play a sympathetic role for whoever they wanted. But that'd be like me saying Evan Bourne has always had a sustained singles push.
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