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Post by Savage Gambino on Oct 24, 2011 19:37:39 GMT -5
She also had a title shot aginst Maryse a few years back. And I said she was jobbing a lot. I'm not disputing that, but the fact that she was at least constantly being put in the ring with the top heels at the time says something, win or lose. And yeah she was put in multiple storylines that went no where, but there hasn't been a diva storyline that's gone anywhere since Piggy James. The fact that she's been in multiple storylines and is always on TV, is alone more than what most of the divas have gotten. Thats not a push though, in any way. She's been there longer than anyone else currently, so yeah, she's been on TV more. She just happened to be the backup face that could play a sympathetic role for whoever they wanted. But that'd be like me saying Evan Bourne has always had a sustained singles push. He's not? You lie! Next, you'll be telling me he isn't winning the Rumble in St. Louis next year.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2011 19:39:38 GMT -5
Bingo. I never said she was a bad wrestler, just not anything special, but damn is she so deficient in the areas of personality and ability to make a crowd like her. I'm not going to blow smoke up this board's collective colon and say "Hawhaw, derpdederp, Eve teh suxxorz in teh ring!" because that's not what I think. She just doesn't generate any interest from me, nor from Joe Audienceman. I'm gonna go out on a limb and just guess that a good 30 maybe 40 percent of your posts on here are just complaining about Eve. In case you haven't noticed, I'm not attacking her as a person or anything. I think she's more prominently booked than she ought to be, that the crowd doesn't connect with her as a performer, that she doesn't have a character, that there's better people for that situation. If you have a problem with what I say, then convince me that I'm incorrect, agree to disagree or stop sniping at me because of my opinion. I'm gonna go out on a limb and just guess that a good 30 maybe 40 percent of your posts on here are just complaining about Eve. The rest are in defense of Melina. Gee, that's not a generalization at all. What, am I some kind of hypocrite because I don't like one person as a performer and that I have a problem with patent lies that have been spread about someone else? I don't mind if you don't like what I say and you disagree. But as a poster, show me some respect, please. Because I'm pretty damn sure I don't waste my time doing that to other people--is it really necessary?
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Post by BigWill on Oct 24, 2011 19:42:08 GMT -5
She also had a title shot aginst Maryse a few years back. And I said she was jobbing a lot. I'm not disputing that, but the fact that she was at least constantly being put in the ring with the top heels at the time says something, win or lose. And yeah she was put in multiple storylines that went no where, but there hasn't been a diva storyline that's gone anywhere since Piggy James. The fact that she's been in multiple storylines and is always on TV, is alone more than what most of the divas have gotten. Thats not a push though, in any way. She's been there longer than anyone else currently, so yeah, she's been on TV more. She just happened to be the backup face that could play a sympathetic role for whoever they wanted. But that'd be like me saying Evan Bourne has always had a sustained singles push. Eh, call it what you want, but the fact is she's been featured more than any of the current divas, and it's clear that the WWE's had plans for her since the beginning. All of which helped her to get over, and stay over.
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Post by That Mickie Fan on Oct 24, 2011 19:54:16 GMT -5
She's better than Kelly. and She did great
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Post by Banjo Is Broken on Oct 24, 2011 20:03:13 GMT -5
I'm gonna go out on a limb and just guess that a good 30 maybe 40 percent of your posts on here are just complaining about Eve. In case you haven't noticed, I'm not attacking her as a person or anything. I think she's more prominently booked than she ought to be, that the crowd doesn't connect with her as a performer, that she doesn't have a character, that there's better people for that situation. If you have a problem with what I say, then convince me that I'm incorrect, agree to disagree or stop sniping at me because of my opinion. This thread is about Eve putting on a good match. Can't you just watch a match and enjoy it rather than having to constantly try to bring things down? If you didn't like the match then that's fine, but you don't need to go in every Eve thread and reinforce your opinion about how you don't like her because she's not popular.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2011 20:38:21 GMT -5
In case you haven't noticed, I'm not attacking her as a person or anything. I think she's more prominently booked than she ought to be, that the crowd doesn't connect with her as a performer, that she doesn't have a character, that there's better people for that situation. If you have a problem with what I say, then convince me that I'm incorrect, agree to disagree or stop sniping at me because of my opinion. This thread is about Eve putting on a good match. Can't you just watch a match and enjoy it rather than having to constantly try to bring things down? If you didn't like the match then that's fine, but you don't need to go in every Eve thread and reinforce your opinion about how you don't like her because she's not popular. Possibly because that's where the conversation led. I was explaining that some of us who aren't fans of Eve aren't non-fans because of our perception of her wrestling ability, and that there's other issues we have. That's all.
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Oct 24, 2011 20:39:16 GMT -5
I find SRS Banjo somewhat disturbing.
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Post by Banjo Is Broken on Oct 24, 2011 20:42:59 GMT -5
This thread is about Eve putting on a good match. Can't you just watch a match and enjoy it rather than having to constantly try to bring things down? If you didn't like the match then that's fine, but you don't need to go in every Eve thread and reinforce your opinion about how you don't like her because she's not popular. Possibly because that's where the conversation led. I was explaining that some of us who aren't fans of Eve aren't non-fans because of our perception of her wrestling ability, and that there's other issues we have. That's all. So, you just saw an opportunity to bash Eve, and you jumped on it?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2011 20:48:24 GMT -5
Possibly because that's where the conversation led. I was explaining that some of us who aren't fans of Eve aren't non-fans because of our perception of her wrestling ability, and that there's other issues we have. That's all. So, you just saw an opportunity to bash Eve, and you jumped on it? If I wanted to bash her, I'd just misquote things from wrestlers' autobiographies and make up a story to claim her to be a wrestling prostitute, which some people (not you, in all fairness) have done. I'm posting an honest opinion on a wrestling board. Chill bro.
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Post by FUNK_US/BRODUS on Oct 24, 2011 20:59:44 GMT -5
I find SRS Banjo somewhat disturbing. Im waiting for him to throw me through the Banjotron and then tell you all that youre gelatinous parasites.
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Oct 24, 2011 21:00:42 GMT -5
So, you just saw an opportunity to bash Eve, and you jumped on it? If I wanted to bash her, I'd just misquote things from wrestlers' autobiographies and make up a story to claim her to be a wrestling prostitute, which some people (not you, in all fairness) have done. Um, "wrestling prostitute?" I don't recall anyone saying that either A) she sold herself for money, or even worse B) Morrison pimped her out for money or to advance in the company. She slept with Batista (if I'm not mistaken, both people have confirmed this story); as a result, some people like to pick on her, since Batista has something of a history being a man-whore and, well, there's rumor of Melina being something of the same. It's not all that big a deal; nearly every wrestler on this board has been picked on. Hell, I've picked on Mongo, and there really isn't anything about him that you can really pick on him about (well, besides the fact that whoever told him he could 'rassle lied like hell ). Chillax.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Oct 24, 2011 21:05:50 GMT -5
Whoa, whoa, whoa, is this conversation really about Melina, now? Seriously? How derailed is this thread!? Can we get back to talking about how underwhelmingly average epicly epic Beth/Eve was last night.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2011 21:08:02 GMT -5
If I wanted to bash her, I'd just misquote things from wrestlers' autobiographies and make up a story to claim her to be a wrestling prostitute, which some people (not you, in all fairness) have done. Um, "wrestling prostitute?" I don't recall anyone saying that either A) she sold herself for money, or even worse B) Morrison pimped her out for money or to advance in the company. She slept with Batista (if I'm not mistaken, both people have confirmed this story); as a result, some people like to pick on her, since Batista has something of a history being a man-whore and, well, there's rumor of Melina being something of the same. It's not all that big a deal; nearly every wrestler on this board has been picked on. Hell, I've picked on Mongo, and there really isn't anything about him that you can really pick on him about (well, besides the fact that whoever told him he could 'rassle lied like hell ). Chillax. Yeah, people have claimed that one before. There's no question she dated 'ol Bats, but in his book he said that she was already single when they...you know (that is to say, he's been quoted out of context on this; people left out a phrase to make it look like Morrison was a cuckold, etc.). Anyway, the point I'm making is that I'm not trying to attack Eve personally or anything. I'm just giving criticisms. And I've said many times before, if she had a less prominent role, I wouldn't mind her one bit. She's not some kind of inhuman monster, she's just booked way beyond what she should be booked as.
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Post by PKO on Oct 24, 2011 21:17:50 GMT -5
Every diva thread seems to go in weird direction these days...
Back on topic, rewatched Vengeance and it was just as good as I thought it was. Beth and Eve haven't had the best chemistry in the past, so this was a nice surprise. Wrestling wise this was better than any of Kellys PPV matches with Beth, but it would be nice to see a solid storyline to go along with them next time.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Oct 24, 2011 21:55:38 GMT -5
I've said it before, I'll say it again. People really do need to let things go. This is where this "white knighting" makes absolutely no sense. Because nobody, but nobody cares. Least of all the person you're standing up for.
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Post by edgegore on Oct 24, 2011 23:12:06 GMT -5
She's better than KK that's for sure. The only thing is that her moonsault is just not believable. It looks like she's falling backwards no flipping. I don't know.
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Post by sunnytaker on Oct 25, 2011 14:12:35 GMT -5
well fear not- on the basis of that apparently good (i haven;t seen it) Eve/Beth match it appears that it's Alicia's turn now based on her win over Nattie on RAW.
on the plus side- it's someone different instead of the eve/kelly/beth/nattie merry-go-round of the past year or so (with a dash of bella in the middle- speaking of which are they faces again now? or is Ryder backing transcending the bounds of face/heel dynamics now?).
on the minus side- alicia's never been one of my favorites. oh well, i'll live.
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Post by FailedGimmick on Oct 25, 2011 14:42:12 GMT -5
The Vengeance match was better than Beth/Kelly at Hell In A Cell, but I thought that match was pretty dull, anyway, but not as good as the SummerSlam and Night Of Champions ones.
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Post by PKO on Oct 25, 2011 15:39:42 GMT -5
I love Alicia so I'm glad she has been brought into the mix.
I'd like to see the DOD take Kaitlyn under their wing. She fits in with their look, it makes them more hypocritical (I think thats a part of their gimmick A LOT of people are missing) and then they have someone to take the loss when necessary rather than Nattie (who is far too good to be losing so often).
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Post by FailedGimmick on Oct 25, 2011 15:53:36 GMT -5
The way Beth's been dressing the past few weeks, I don't think the hypocrisy angle isn't going to be as subtle as it has been.
I did get a nice chuckle over Cole saying Beth's embarrassment was over people seeing her underwear and completely downplaying the fact her... "Glamazons" almost popped out.
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