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Post by Bone Daddy on Oct 14, 2011 8:28:32 GMT -5
Everyone talks about WWE's inability to get over new stars, so I'm wondering, are jobbers the answer?
What better way would there be to get over Mason Ryan/Mark Henry/whoever than to have them come out and KILL a guy every week? The have them beating up announcers and lighting guys, why not wrestlers?
Why not have the FCW guys work as jobbers? They could get some experience working with a mask or a different gimmick, then get repackaged a few months later and come in as their real gimmick, but with the addition of ring time with the superstars.
I say bring back the jobbers!
(In before the JoMo joke)
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Post by Madagascar Fred on Oct 14, 2011 10:14:06 GMT -5
well it seems we do have some "jobbing to the stars"-type wrestlers these days (JoMo indeed - also other talented guys like Drew, Santino, Tyson, Yoshi, Slater, Swagger most of the time), but not too many non-competitive matches (like Orton vs. Drew, Cena vs. Swagger, Jinder vs. Yoshi a few months back)
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Post by Joe Galt on Oct 14, 2011 10:30:44 GMT -5
The WWE travels all over the globe to all of these cities who have local guys that would love to get to be on TV. Even if they were to have the crap kicked out of them for very little money. Why doesn`t the WWE take advantage?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2011 10:39:23 GMT -5
We already have pure jobbers.
JTG and Jinder Mahal, whenever they appear.
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Post by HMARK Center on Oct 14, 2011 11:27:19 GMT -5
Jobbers really are the answer if you want to have nearly an entire roster that's over to some level.
Sadly, after the days of Nitro vs. Raw, I don't think it's a format we can go back to fully, but it might work if it was introduced by degrees.
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Post by Red Impact on Oct 14, 2011 11:30:12 GMT -5
A jobber squash or two, at most, probably wouldn't hurt too much. As long as there is other actual things to balance it out.
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Post by FailedGimmick on Oct 14, 2011 11:34:10 GMT -5
It worked for getting Big Daddy V over as a monster (Winner: Big Daddy V via MURDER) then they've been doing it to build up Brodus Clay.
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Post by Vince's Torn Quads on Oct 14, 2011 11:44:14 GMT -5
They tried to rebuild Snitsky (bacne, bald, yellow teeth era) by having him squash someone every week. But then they just fed him to Cena on RAW.
Big Daddy V was fed to Taker and one of the first opponents to fall to Hell's Gate.
So it seems to be that there are certain guys who will get the old-fashioned, squash a jobber every week kind of push, but it remains to be seen what WWE will do with them at the end of that. Take out a top babyface, or in the two cases above, be fed to a top babyface to get a new move over, or for no reason at all - Cena beat Snitsky, no one cared.
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Post by Bo Rida on Oct 14, 2011 13:16:08 GMT -5
Yeah it's best they keep them for establishing monster heels or any future challenges (eg Masterlock, whatever Kurt Angle's was about).
The pacing of shows are often terrible as it is so would be even worse if you added jobbers. They may have worked in the past but time has moved on.
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Post by alabastergrim on Oct 14, 2011 13:20:16 GMT -5
Jobbers would REALLY drag down the show IMO. As it is, when they do a match like John Cena vs. Yoshi Tatsu (just hypothetical of course) it's boring because you know the outcome. Jobbers won't help out with this. THey won't build anybody up because the thought process would be "Yeah well let's see what happens when they go up against a real star".
The day of real jobbers is long gone and I'm quite thrilled about that.
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Post by CMWaters on Oct 14, 2011 13:26:22 GMT -5
Every Brodus Clay match in the past few months has been a jobber match.
Just saying.
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Oct 14, 2011 13:50:51 GMT -5
Jobbers would help, but you need far more than that to get people over. You need to book them as important. You need to treat them to degree like you would a Cena, an Orton, or even a Punk, at least with your babyfaces, and you would need to make your heels like far more competent then you have been.
If you want to be able to get people over again then you need to reinstate faith in the fans that they won't have the rug yanked out from underneath their feet as soon as you decide to root for or against them.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Oct 14, 2011 14:03:49 GMT -5
They really should have one jobber squash per show. And you know why?
1: So if there is a main star that needs a rest can still go out and do something for the crowd on that show and then they can cut a promo because especially the beginning promos don't need to always be 15 min as its too long. Look at the best promos from the past. They weren't long. Find me a great promo that goes past 7 min. There aren't many as its hard to get the emotion and anger going for that long.
2: Establishes movesets
3: Doesn't look stupid when the new big guy randomly beats up guys we've never seen before. Seriously it looks stupid when randomly only the big hoss new guy does it, makes it look fake as it looks like you're saying let's make him look good now.
4: Saves the name of some people on the roster
Now you can't get more then one or two as the live crowds wouldn't stand for it in the new day of we can see them everyweek and pay a ticket for a 2 hour show of squashes and one good match.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Oct 14, 2011 14:36:01 GMT -5
I say use the FCW guys. Hell, they could even use some of the NXT guys as jobbers.
We need a "Super Jobber" who can take a main event heel to the limit at any time, but loses cleanly most of the time. (Think Randy Orton or John Cena back in 2002.) Maybe that role could be filled by someone like Johnny Curtis.
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Post by potpie on Oct 14, 2011 14:58:35 GMT -5
I actually think female jobbers would help the divas division (follow me here for a sec, I beg) for a few reasons:
1) They know how to take a bump. They could make an otherwise bland move look sick or at the very least be in the right spot for moves.
2) You can fire the dead weight. There are 4 or 5 chicks on the roster (don't say who!) who either can't wrestle or are as exciting as watching paint dry or both. Why not save the extra $$$?
3) You can spare the divas champ wrestling 2x a week. Less appearances make her special and we won't wanna pull our hair out when we see champ vs. challenger 2x a week for 10 weeks.
4) LESS TAG MATCHES! Probably the best reason ever.
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Post by DavidArquette on Oct 14, 2011 16:31:53 GMT -5
Every Brodus Clay match in the past few months has been a jobber match. Just saying. This. And it's made me a fan of Brodus Clay. |
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Oct 14, 2011 16:34:21 GMT -5
Every Brodus Clay match in the past few months has been a jobber match. Just saying. But those have all been on Superstars, a show watched by so few people that WWE even considered taking out down off of their website. At least for a week, they did. If a superstar is in the ring looking dominant, but nobody is around to watch, can they truly get over? |
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