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Post by Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan on Mar 15, 2012 22:53:16 GMT -5
I kinda doubt that giving the meat away was a PR move, given how completely unapologetic the brothers have been about this entire ordeal.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Mar 15, 2012 23:05:01 GMT -5
I kinda doubt that giving the meat away was a PR move, given how completely unapologetic the brothers have been about this entire ordeal. And honestly, there's nothing for them to apologize for ( not that you were calling for that of course, just saying generally); they broke no laws, and did nothing that could be considered universally 'wrong'. One could disagree with the viewpoint and the ethical argument all day, but as far as them being apologetic? No need for it.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Mar 16, 2012 1:00:26 GMT -5
those people without killing an elephant and a leopard. The croc and buffalo I'm not miffed about. Why is killing a croc and a buffalo okay but killing a leopard and elephant aren't? None of those animals are exactly protected or endangered. Why should they feel bad because they killed the animals we like? Again, I say this as someone who doesn't like hunting...but I'm not going to condemn them for it when it was well within the legal boundaries. Also, while we're on the subject of what's okay and what isn't...I found this to be pretty fascinating, and I'm sure it might spark some decent debate; Thoughts? Because the croc and buffalo have "least concern" as their conservation status. Meaning it is ok to hunt one every now and then as they have the numbers for that to not really be a factor. The Leopard is "near threatened" so it doesn't have as many as the croc or buffalo, and the elephant is "vulnerable". Also the whole, elephants are smart and have death rituals thing.
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Post by mizerable on Mar 16, 2012 1:47:21 GMT -5
Yes, but elephants aren't as smart as us...so where do you draw the line as far as intelligence goes? Should we only eat the stupid animals? The ones who have large numbers? Let's say that elephants did have some pretty impressive numbers...does the intelligence thing overrule the notion to hunt them? Also, the added video said something about certain areas where the animals are protected from poachers and are only open towards hunters who have to pay to kill the animal...so how do we know that isn't the case here? If that is the case, then that animal has ceased to be some wandering unfortunate animal, who just so happened to be in the range of a hunter. This is no different than picking a lobster out of the tank at a supermarket. I know it's not exactly something you might agree with, but that's how things work unfortunately. And as the video said, poaching rhinos, buffalo and elephants are down and the wild numbers are up.
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Post by sludgehammer on Mar 16, 2012 2:31:43 GMT -5
I feel bad for that Elephant. I could never kill one or hurt one and I don't know why you'd want to
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Mar 16, 2012 2:44:44 GMT -5
Yes, but elephants aren't as smart as us...so where do you draw the line as far as intelligence goes? Should we only eat the stupid animals? The ones who have large numbers? Let's say that elephants did have some pretty impressive numbers...does the intelligence thing overrule the notion to hunt them? Also, the added video said something about certain areas where the animals are protected from poachers and are only open towards hunters who have to pay to kill the animal...so how do we know that isn't the case here? If that is the case, then that animal has ceased to be some wandering unfortunate animal, who just so happened to be in the range of a hunter. This is no different than picking a lobster out of the tank at a supermarket. I know it's not exactly something you might agree with, but that's how things work unfortunately. And as the video said, poaching rhinos, buffalo and elephants are down and the wild numbers are up. I wouldn't be so sure about elephants not being as smart as us. I've seen a LOT of really dumb humans.
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Post by mizerable on Mar 16, 2012 3:10:13 GMT -5
Oh, I have absolutely no doubts about that. And for the record, I love elephants. Dumbo was the first movie I remember watching as a kid, and I've seen many documentaries chronicling their intelligence. What's weird about the more intelligent animals, they're the ones who are known to act like dicks. Chimps are known to cannibalize, dolphins and orca kill for fun...going hundreds of miles to do so mind you, and elephants have been known to gang up on a pack of lions and trample the cubs.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Mar 16, 2012 3:12:40 GMT -5
Oh, I have absolutely no doubts about that. And for the record, I love elephants. Dumbo was the first movie I remember watching as a kid, and I've seen many documentaries chronicling their intelligence. What's weird about the more intelligent animals, they're the ones who are known to act like dicks. Chimps are known to cannibalize, dolphins and orca kill for fun...going hundreds of miles to do so mind you, and elephants have been known to gang up on a pack of lions and trample the cubs. To be fair to what the elephants do, the lions wouldn't have any problem making a meal out of the elephant calves. Not saying it is right that elephants do that, though.
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Post by mizerable on Mar 16, 2012 3:21:07 GMT -5
It's animals being animals. We're still there in a lot of ways.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Mar 17, 2012 13:51:10 GMT -5
So as to not offend anybody with my opinion, here's take 2 I do not approve of their actions. To be fair the animals they killed would have also killed them if they had the chance. Animals kill other animals, this is the way of life. I myself would rather have an animal killed this way instead of being held in a tiny enclosure and forcefed hormones and steroids for their short and miserable life before being turned into "BREADED YUM YUM NUGGETS With BANGING BBQ SAUCE!" Many of them wouldn't. Most animals have evolved to have a healthy fear of humans, especially big cats like that leopard. Most maneaters are too old and lame to hunt other game and resort to hunting humans, but they don't want to. It is an act of signing your own death warrant. The Ghost and The Darkness were two extreme rarities in that they were young maneaters and they seemed to hunt for sport, but most animals try to avoid humans in the wild, especially groups of them like a hunting safari. Granted, the elephant represented a real threat to them as would any rhino or hippo they come across. They are large, hyperaggressive herbivores that don't fear anything and are easily set off into violent rages.
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Post by nate5054 on Mar 17, 2012 19:56:34 GMT -5
Ahh, the rich...
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Post by nate5054 on Mar 17, 2012 20:48:19 GMT -5
The photos are actually pretty badass. Sorry. I could think that if it weren't for the two rich pretty boys in the picture looking like total douchebags.
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Post by nate5054 on Mar 17, 2012 20:49:22 GMT -5
I'm sure they didn't kill those animals thinking "We're doing something really good for the local community here". They wouldn't have crass photos taken with a smug look on their face if that was the case. I really don't understand hunting. I can't see how much enjoyment you can get out of killing something. I have no problem with hunting per se. But I do wonder why they had to go thousands of miles to hunt exotic animals when there are perfectly fine animals that are not endangered or threatened that they could hunt in the good 'ol USofA.
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Post by nate5054 on Mar 17, 2012 20:51:09 GMT -5
Good for them. But most of that is I just hate the Trump family, so it's not exactly rational.
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Post by h on Mar 18, 2012 21:06:45 GMT -5
Look at those big f***ing smiles on their faces, f***ing punk ass motherf***ers. Bet they feel like real men holding a dead animal in their arms - assholes. Oh, waaah. They went hunting, as far as we're aware, completely legally, and again, as far as we're aware, the meat went to a good cause. Save the tough guy net-speak and faux indignation for an ACTUAL travesty. Exactly. What they did was condoned by one of the most corrupt governments on the planet in a country that, as recently as 2010, was ranked dead last on the human development index. If Robert Mugabe says it's okay, then you have no business exercising your constitutionally guaranteed rights to freedom of speech and expression here.
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Post by Error on Mar 18, 2012 21:11:55 GMT -5
Oh, waaah. They went hunting, as far as we're aware, completely legally, and again, as far as we're aware, the meat went to a good cause. Save the tough guy net-speak and faux indignation for an ACTUAL travesty. Exactly. What they did was condoned by one of the most corrupt governments on the planet in a country that, as recently as 2010, was ranked dead last on the human development index. If Robert Mugabe says it's okay, then you have no business exercising your constitutionally guaranteed rights to freedom of speech and expression here. He cannot express his constitutionally guaranteed freedom of speech here because you do not have a right to freedom of speech here. We're not the federal government, we're a message board.
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Post by nate5054 on Mar 18, 2012 21:34:22 GMT -5
Without getting really political, I will say that him doing something legal in Zimbabwe doesn't exactly mean much to me. Just about everything there is "legal" if you have the cash to back it up with.
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