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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2011 0:22:47 GMT -5
I don't think it's obvious that Cena will win.
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Post by moneyman20 on Nov 24, 2011 0:32:27 GMT -5
I don't think it's obvious that Cena will win. In the WWE, nothing is obvious. They're expected, but it's never obvious. That's both a blessing and a curse.
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Post by Starshine on Nov 24, 2011 0:51:13 GMT -5
Rock winning is definitely the right way to go. Putting him in that position in front of his hometown fans, it would be so lousy to have him lose against a guy who has been given rubs from just about everyone else who matters.
IMO if Cena wins, then this whole thing was a waste of time. I've seen Cena overcome the odds and beat the more popular superstar so many times. Let's see something different this time.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2011 0:59:06 GMT -5
IMO This has to be the match that creates a whole new Cena whether that be a Heel turn is anyones guess.
But him winning accomplishes nothing except adding another name to the superman list of people he has beaten , He should lose and the catalyst has to be for him to be different to stop being a smug bastard etc, and IMO thats what The Rocks purpose here is he keeps trying to show cena that who he is now is not gonna cut it anymore and by losing at WM it should be the catalyst that finally if you will opens cenas eyes and finally understands what Rock has been tryin to point out to him since it all began.
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Post by lemonyellowson on Nov 24, 2011 1:03:41 GMT -5
rocks winning
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Post by Ryushinku on Nov 24, 2011 4:56:26 GMT -5
Rock winning is definitely the right way to go. Putting him in that position in front of his hometown fans, it would be so lousy to have him lose against a guy who has been given rubs from just about everyone else who matters. IMO if Cena wins, then this whole thing was a waste of time. I've seen Cena overcome the odds and beat the more popular superstar so many times. Let's see something different this time. I couldn't agree less, I think they'd be mad to have Rock win clean. What you say applies to The Rock just as much, whos' also overcome the odds and had the rub many times over. It's the MO of those highest main event guys. But then I guess that's why they've booked a match like this, isn't it? Keep people guessing.
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Post by Snaptastic on Nov 24, 2011 5:26:48 GMT -5
Personally, I think Rock is winning at 'mania. As others have noted, it makes no real sense for Cena to go over, in Miami against The Rock. Cena is on top of the mountain more or less as it is. Going over Rock at Miami will do nothing for him, other than Vince's way of saying look this guy is one of the greatest.
From a storyline point of view, it makes sense for Cena to win sure. But business wise and this is key, it makes more sense for Rock to beat Cena than any other scenario.
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Nov 24, 2011 5:27:31 GMT -5
This is assuming this match will be for the WWE title (they probably don't even know yet):
If they would've planned ahead (HA!), they could've had Rock get the big win in his hometown with a huge ovation, and then afterwards have Del Rio cash in his MITB. 2 matches out of Rock, big title win in Miami, loses and puts over a younger present/future talent that otherwise would've never came close to working with him in the first place.
I say this: if Rock agrees to stick around for a few months, give him the belt and a little run. If Rock has a couple matches leading up to WM, with WM28 designed as his final match, have him lose to Cena.
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Post by onestepplan on Nov 24, 2011 5:36:04 GMT -5
Pro wrestling is in Rock's blood. He grew up in it and I'm sure he understands what's best for the business. He's still a movie star whether he beats Cena or not, he doesn't need the rub at all. I'm just about positive he'll do the job for Cena, even if I don't necessarily want him to. It actually says a lot to me about Rock that Hogan did him that kindness and put him over as THE guy in pro wrestling and ten years later he's going to come back and repay the favor to the next generation when he absolutely doesn't have to by any stretch.
I am excited as to how Cena will go over though; it really seems like they've been grooming Punk to be the new top face and they've already established that Cena-Punk is a money feud. So I think Cena might pull an Austin and finally make his big turn to get past Rock, setting up him and Punk as the top heel and face, respectively.
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Post by Dr. Bunsen Honeydew on Nov 24, 2011 7:29:46 GMT -5
Rock winning is definitely the right way to go. Putting him in that position in front of his hometown fans, it would be so lousy to have him lose against a guy who has been given rubs from just about everyone else who matters. IMO if Cena wins, then this whole thing was a waste of time. I've seen Cena overcome the odds and beat the more popular superstar so many times. Let's see something different this time. Disagree completely. Cena has been Rock's bitch this entire time. Rock wins at Mania and you really make Cena look like a chump. Cena will be there after Mania. Rock won't. Cena wins. PERIOD.
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Post by Cam on Nov 24, 2011 7:31:00 GMT -5
The Rock is my favourite wrestler of all time.
The Rock should, and hopefully will, lose.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Nov 24, 2011 7:33:11 GMT -5
How is this even a discussion?
Cena's winning. It was always going to be that way from the match announcement and they're (poorly in some parts) telegraphing this fact.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2011 10:02:18 GMT -5
Disagree completely. Cena has been Rock's bitch this entire time. Rock wins at Mania and you really make Cena look like a chump. I honestly think that's the whole point of the story arc, it's doing a surfer Sting. If they actually intend this to have a character arc for Cena (not even a heel turn, just some damned character realisation) that he needs to stop being so damned nieve and dumb in story terms. "Nothing bothers me, I'm a consumate proffesional," is honestly fine to me for a period of time, but not 6 years where Cena has been on every single show even when fired. He needs something to kickstart some interest in his character, like I said it doesn't have to be a heel turn or anything insanely drastic, just some form of evolution.
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Post by The Punisher on Nov 24, 2011 15:35:52 GMT -5
This whole thing is obviously being done to further put over Cena in his own "Rock vs. Hogan"-type of match. It's why Rock keeps getting the better of Cena in their one-on-one encounters, and has left him laying twice now. This is all being done to make the moment where Cena beats Rock - either by pin or by submission - a whole lot bigger. This is the most accurate post I have ever seen. The whole thing is being done to build up Cena, because WWE want us to accept him as this generations Hogan, or Rock, or Austin. The difference being is that all of those were people the fans naturally warmed to. There was no element of them being forced on the fans. Hogan was larger than life and naturally appealed because he existed in a time of less skepticism and more innocence. I think he also appealed to people's patriotism at a time when America felt threatened from overseas. Rock and Austin used their natural charisma and their ability to talk off the cuff to get people interested in them. Plus they both existed during the Attitude Era when interest in WWE was higher than it had ever been. Cena exists at a time when there are few other top line faces, partly because of WWE's sometimes awful booking, and sometimes because the wrestlers themselves drop the ball. The problem with him is that his gimmick makes it difficult for people to take him seriously, and any feud degenerates into some childish back and forth capped off with his inevitable win. Because they can't build anyone else, WWE is terrified to have Cena lose, because they're afraid it'll damage his character and then hit his drawing and marketing power. The problem is that his current character has gone stale. All the great faces: Hogan, Undertaker, Rock, Hart, HHH, HBK, had a main event heel run, which prolonged their careers and allowed their characters to evolve. Cena has never changed, and never developed, and for that reason, I don't see him turning heel at Mania, or ever. He'll beat Rock - clean - and they will shake hands, because WWE wants you to accept Cena as your Hogan, your Austin, or your Rock, whether you want to or not.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2011 15:57:33 GMT -5
If Rock loses in his hometown to Cena (who will get booed badly) it might rival WM in 2000 as the worst ending to a WM ever as far as sending the crowd home miserable.
I realize they want Rock to be Hogan and Cena to be Rock (recreate WM 18) but the fans still cheered for The Rock after he won (they booed him the whole match but cheered when he hit the elbow and got the pin). Cena is not going to get cheered period. If he wins, the crowd will shit all over it, no matter what they do afterwards, which I'm guessing will include a handshake and Rock "passing the torch" to Cena.
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Post by angryfan on Nov 24, 2011 16:10:07 GMT -5
If Rock loses in his hometown to Cena (who will get booed badly) it might rival WM in 2000 as the worst ending to a WM ever as far as sending the crowd home miserable. I realize they want Rock to be Hogan and Cena to be Rock (recreate WM 18) but the fans still cheered for The Rock after he won (they booed him the whole match but cheered when he hit the elbow and got the pin). Cena is not going to get cheered period. If he wins, the crowd will s*** all over it, no matter what they do afterwards, which I'm guessing will include a handshake and Rock "passing the torch" to Cena. You know, I agree but there's a simpler reason Cena is going over. WWE law says he has to. Not becaue it's Cena, or any of that, but "Hey Rock, come back and wrestle in Miami" should make it beyond obvious. Rock loses in his hometown like everyone else does, but we get, as you put it, the "passing of the torch" moment. I do wonder if we'll here how "unconventional" the Miami crowd is when they boo the living hell out of it.
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Post by Snaptastic on Nov 24, 2011 17:33:57 GMT -5
If Rock loses in his hometown to Cena (who will get booed badly) it might rival WM in 2000 as the worst ending to a WM ever as far as sending the crowd home miserable. I realize they want Rock to be Hogan and Cena to be Rock (recreate WM 18) but the fans still cheered for The Rock after he won (they booed him the whole match but cheered when he hit the elbow and got the pin). Cena is not going to get cheered period. If he wins, the crowd will s*** all over it, no matter what they do afterwards, which I'm guessing will include a handshake and Rock "passing the torch" to Cena. You know, I agree but there's a simpler reason Cena is going over. WWE law says he has to. Not becaue it's Cena, or any of that, but "Hey Rock, come back and wrestle in Miami" should make it beyond obvious. Rock loses in his hometown like everyone else does, but we get, as you put it, the "passing of the torch" moment. I do wonder if we'll here how "unconventional" the Miami crowd is when they boo the living hell out of it. I would normally agree here, but the torch doesn't need passing. Rock passed the torch effectively to Lesnar, who tossed it away when he left. Cena then picked up the torch the year after and has ran with it ever since. But not everyone loses in their home town. Namely, MiTB 2011 in Chicago when Punk won the title.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2011 17:41:10 GMT -5
It needs to be a continous thing with Cena where others then begin to take advantage of it.
Where Cena cannot win on his rivals turf.
Couldn't beat RVD at one night stand. Couldn't beat Punk in chicago Shouldn't be able to beat The Rock in miami
Cena is made to have literally next to no weaknesses , this should be made to be his one aparent weakness , and then have more and more stars take advantage of this.
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Post by angryfan on Nov 24, 2011 17:42:42 GMT -5
You know, I agree but there's a simpler reason Cena is going over. WWE law says he has to. Not becaue it's Cena, or any of that, but "Hey Rock, come back and wrestle in Miami" should make it beyond obvious. Rock loses in his hometown like everyone else does, but we get, as you put it, the "passing of the torch" moment. I do wonder if we'll here how "unconventional" the Miami crowd is when they boo the living hell out of it. I would normally agree here, but the torch doesn't need passing. Rock passed the torch effectively to Lesnar, who tossed it away when he left. Cena then picked up the torch the year after and has ran with it ever since. But not everyone loses in their home town. Namely, MiTB 2011 in Chicago when Punk won the title. You're right, not everyone does, and they do seem to be getting away fro that particular "guarantee" in recent years. I admit I said it partially as a joke, but I do think it stands a far better chance of happening this time.
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Post by rapidfire187 on Nov 24, 2011 17:44:03 GMT -5
There's no way in hell Cena loses. I just don't even see the logic in that. The Rock has looked better than him this entire time, if he were to also go over Cena and ride off into the sunset it could do irreparable damage to the WWE as a whole. It would essentially make their whole roster look like chumps b/c Super Cena, who can squash anybody on any given day, couldn't beat a guy from the past era.
It would be like if Hogan had went over Rock at WM X8 only worse b/c Cena likely own't be leaving within a year of the match.
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