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Post by FUNK_US/BRODUS on Nov 24, 2011 17:48:35 GMT -5
Cena has been bitchslapped by The Rock way too many times for this not to end with "Cena wins, begrudging handshake after the match"
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Post by andrewgilkison on Nov 24, 2011 18:11:28 GMT -5
It needs to be a continous thing with Cena where others then begin to take advantage of it. Where Cena cannot win on his rivals turf. Couldn't beat RVD at one night stand. Couldn't beat Punk in chicago Shouldn't be able to beat The Rock in miami Cena is made to have literally next to no weaknesses , this should be made to be his one aparent weakness , and then have more and more stars take advantage of this. He was able to beat Edge in his hometown though.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Nov 24, 2011 18:16:46 GMT -5
Cena needs to win more than the Rock. Nothing is gained if Rock wins and he's gone for an extended amount of time. It's like when Hogan beat Orton during his Legend Killer stint. Orton gained nothing in that defeat. He never got a rematch or a chance to regain heat. It was on to the next one. A victory over Hulk would had been huge. A defeat slowed down his elevation. Cena losing to the Rock means that Rocky is better than the face of the company.
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Post by angryfan on Nov 24, 2011 18:28:33 GMT -5
Cena needs to win more than the Rock. Nothing is gained if Rock wins and he's gone for an extended amount of time. It's like when Hogan beat Orton during his Legend Killer stint. Orton gained nothing in that defeat. He never got a rematch or a chance to regain heat. It was on to the next one. A victory over Hulk would had been huge. A defeat slowed down his elevation. Cena losing to the Rock means that Rocky is better than the face of the company. Agreed, but what does Cena gain from beating The Rock? The fans that love him already won't spend more money just because he beat The Rock. Fans that hate him won't suddenly love him for it either. To me this whole feud is about a "dream match" one-off, and that's pretty much it. Cena wins and, well, that's just it. Rock wins and he leaves to do other stuff. It's the "build up to a match, have the match, and then that's it" thing. Same as Trips/Taker, really.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Nov 24, 2011 18:33:47 GMT -5
Cena needs to win more than the Rock. Nothing is gained if Rock wins and he's gone for an extended amount of time. It's like when Hogan beat Orton during his Legend Killer stint. Orton gained nothing in that defeat. He never got a rematch or a chance to regain heat. It was on to the next one. A victory over Hulk would had been huge. A defeat slowed down his elevation. Cena losing to the Rock means that Rocky is better than the face of the company. Agreed, but what does Cena gain from beating The Rock? The fans that love him already won't spend more money just because he beat The Rock. Fans that hate him won't suddenly love him for it either. To me this whole feud is about a "dream match" one-off, and that's pretty much it. Cena wins and, well, that's just it. Rock wins and he leaves to do other stuff. It's the "build up to a match, have the match, and then that's it" thing. Same as Trips/Taker, really. That's the problem. It's Freddy vs Jason. No matter who wins, no one really wins.
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Post by FUNK_US/BRODUS on Nov 24, 2011 19:28:05 GMT -5
I think people are going WAY too far into people needing to "go over" here. This isnt a match designed for someone on the rise. This is Ali vs Frazier. Cro Cop vs Fedor. Its 2 of the all time greats. Neither one suffers greatly from a loss. Do you really think Cena will come out to a Conway pop the next night if he loses to The Rock?
Just enjoy it for what it is. This isnt like Cena/Punk at MITB where Punks momentum couldve been crushed. Neither Rock or Cena has any room to move upwards. Rock is a HOF lock and Cena has been the face of the company for 6 years. As long as the match is great, the actual result doesnt mean much.
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Post by angryfan on Nov 24, 2011 19:35:27 GMT -5
I think people are going WAY too far into people needing to "go over" here. This isnt a match designed for someone on the rise. This is Ali vs Frazier. Cro Cop vs Fedor. Its 2 of the all time greats. Neither one suffers greatly from a loss. Do you really think Cena will come out to a Conway pop the next night if he loses to The Rock? Just enjoy it for what it is. This isnt like Cena/Punk at MITB where Punks momentum couldve been crushed. Neither Rock or Cena has any room to move upwards. Rock is a HOF lock and Cena has been the face of the company for 6 years. As long as the match is great, the actual result doesnt mean much. I would only qualify that by saying in the long run the outcome of the match is meaningless. At Mania, in Miami, to the live audience, however, the result absolutely matters. If/when Cena goes over, I expect the same reaction Buffalo had when Beth Phoenix didn't win the women's title only, um, a LOT louder.
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Post by repomark on Nov 24, 2011 19:39:45 GMT -5
Honestly I do not mind which wins. Cena seems most likely being the active wrestler, but if he loses they can easily make him turn into a crazed psycho (possibly heel) and tease a rematch. Either way its win, win. A Cena win could also easily be used for a heel turn/new direction for the Cena character. Or indeed if Rock wins maybe, just maybe, he will hang around for a bit longer.
Can't wait.
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Post by FUNK_US/BRODUS on Nov 24, 2011 20:11:47 GMT -5
I think people are going WAY too far into people needing to "go over" here. This isnt a match designed for someone on the rise. This is Ali vs Frazier. Cro Cop vs Fedor. Its 2 of the all time greats. Neither one suffers greatly from a loss. Do you really think Cena will come out to a Conway pop the next night if he loses to The Rock? Just enjoy it for what it is. This isnt like Cena/Punk at MITB where Punks momentum couldve been crushed. Neither Rock or Cena has any room to move upwards. Rock is a HOF lock and Cena has been the face of the company for 6 years. As long as the match is great, the actual result doesnt mean much. I would only qualify that by saying in the long run the outcome of the match is meaningless. At Mania, in Miami, to the live audience, however, the result absolutely matters. If/when Cena goes over, I expect the same reaction Buffalo had when Beth Phoenix didn't win the women's title only, um, a LOT louder. I agree. A lot of fans will just never take to Cena. That being said, a great match will still be critically applauded. Beth at least was different because Beth shouldve gone over due to logical story progression, but no, Kelly got the roll up.
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Post by Threadkiller [Classic] on Nov 24, 2011 20:26:15 GMT -5
I know that the argument may be better for business to give Cena the win, since he's the guy staying around after Mania.
But sometimes you just have to say "f*** it," and go with the finish that will make for the better moment.
Besides, it may be actively harmful to have Cena go over. If you piss off enough of your fans and they get the idea that this Cena shit is truly never going to end, you might just drive away the ones who swore to be lifers. I think it's clear, from the reactions in arenas, at least, that the people who want Cena to win are the CLEAR vocal minority. Just have Rock go over. Or have Cena go heel so that people could actually get excited at the prospect of a new number one face stepping up (and this is ignoring the likelihood that he'll become the favorite superstar of the jaded fans once he does turn, which is just pisses me off to think about, but whatever).
But, at the VERY least, if you're putting Cena over clean, don't have the handshake moment where Rock endorses the guy. Unless you feel it'll mitigate the "Rock lost to THIS guy?!" damage he'll take from the hardcore fans. Either way, I genuinely do believe that there's more money in Cena losing.
But I just feel they're going to stick with Cena until 100% of the crowd is behind him...and the buildings are half as full as they used to be.
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Post by johnnybaseball, Mantaur Fan on Nov 24, 2011 21:28:53 GMT -5
A few points:
1. Cena v. Rock is a dangerous match, to me. Yes, it will increase buys for Wrestlemania 28, no doubt. But as stated right above me by Threadkiller, if Cena wins, it might upset a lot of fans, especially those in attendance. But, if Rock wins, it could really make the current generation of wrestlers look really bad (i.e. none of them could beat Cena, but Rock can do it after a 7 year absence). So, it has to be handled just right. I do think WWE are aware that Cena will be the heel in this match.
2. At least at the shows I've been to, which did include this year's Wrestlemania, there are TONS of Cena fans, but they tend to be women and children. They are just naturally not as loud as full grown men, nor as generally belligerent as men tend to be. I think the crowds are more evenly split than they seem sometimes.
3. It seems really obvious to me that Cena is somewhat of a trollish figure, i.e. he's now totally exaggerating his happy-go-lucky schtick on purpose in order to annoy his detractors. Like this or not, I don't think they're just presenting him this way and expecting everyone should love him at this point; his audience splitting is very much known to WWE, and they are playing it up now.
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Post by FUNK_US/BRODUS on Nov 25, 2011 5:38:30 GMT -5
I really think youre exaggerating how bad it would make this generation of wrestlers look if Rock won ONE MATCH at WrestleMania. He isnt some old timer trying to relive the glory days. The dude still has it. Im not gonna watch Raw the night after and think "these guys all suck now", and I dont see who else would think that.
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Post by Prince Petty on Nov 25, 2011 5:43:29 GMT -5
If this match happened thirty years ago, it would probably have been a time limit draw. But I very much doubt the WWE would even consider something like that, so they're going to have to be very careful as to how they do it.
Can't make Rock look bad in front of his hometown fans without ending Wrestlemania on a sour note, and can't make Cena look a chump because he's still going to be their top guy afterwards. If they could get Rock to stick around for another month or so, I'd say give him the 'Mania win for the big reaction, and then have Cena go over in a return match at the next PPV.
Hell, I'd say give him the win anyway, and use it as a spur for Cena, to make him realise that being a nice guy gets you sweet FA in the world of wrestling. It could end up being the kick in the ass that his character needs to get some sort of edge back.
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Post by 4real on Nov 25, 2011 6:01:01 GMT -5
Personally Id have Rock win the match and Cena turns on him after creating a shocking moment that will be looked back on by future generat...
So of course we're probably more likely to get a Cena win and a handshake that weill lead to Cole going WOW!!!! again to make us believe this is a historic moment rather than same old same old.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2011 6:08:13 GMT -5
I really think youre exaggerating how bad it would make this generation of wrestlers look if Rock won ONE MATCH at WrestleMania. He isnt some old timer trying to relive the glory days. The dude still has it. Im not gonna watch Raw the night after and think "these guys all suck now", and I dont see who else would think that. Bingo, The Rock has and always will be listed as one of the all time great wrestlers in a boom era with the likes of Steve Austin. Cena is going to get that in future, but he's beaten Kurt Angle, Triiple H, Batista, Big Show, Chris Jericho, Edge, Randy Orton etc etc in feuds. There is no damage done to him if the Rock wins in booking terms. One of the greatest of all time beat a guy who is hated by at least two thirds of the fans in attendance? If he wins that will piss me off something awful and I genuinely like Cena! Seriously, if Cena wins in the last match and it isn't through nefarious means/something interesting I will be like many of the others there, likely to not give the WWE any money for at least a few months.
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Post by mrjl on Nov 25, 2011 8:03:59 GMT -5
I'd have Cena win, tease the handshake, then when Rock tries to cheapshot him Cena turns it around and lays him out this time. A bit of payback for the times Rock has done it.
I might even, during the build, have Cena says something about not trusting the Rock not to try to back out of their match, which is why he isn't trying to layout Rock right now
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Post by FUNK_US/BRODUS on Nov 25, 2011 8:26:55 GMT -5
Fact is, it makes for an absolutely legendary pop if The Rock wins this match clean. His alma mater stadium, in his hometown, given his legendary status, it will go over like a wet fart if he doesnt win.
Cena doesnt need protecting. Kids will still wear his shirts if he loses one match, and he wont gain any new fans from winning. Im just convinced the WWE will want him to win.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2011 8:42:38 GMT -5
WWE Booking 101:
Rock will win. Cena will try to be a good sport about it and get a Rock Bottom. WM will end with the Rock celebrating, and he will disappear from WWE again. Cena will brush off the loss the next night on Raw and move on to the next thing 15 seconds into his promo.
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Post by HBL on Nov 25, 2011 11:30:39 GMT -5
A lot of people are still saying Rock's gonna win,and how does that makes sense?
Cena wins= He makes it clear that he's not Rock's bitch and defeats him at Mania to prove it.He's already being owned every time he meets with Rock,so a loss for Cena at Mania may open a big hole for Cena.And Cena will actually be in the WWE after the match.
Rock wins= Marks go crazy for a few days,then Rock leaves,and everything turns back to normal.The only way to make this work would be making Rock a regular wrestler...and I just can't see that happening,he will probably vanish after Mania.
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Post by wrestling4ever on Nov 25, 2011 13:47:57 GMT -5
I'd have Cena win, tease the handshake, then when Rock tries to cheapshot him Cena turns it around and lays him out this time. A bit of payback for the times Rock has done it. I might even, during the build, have Cena says something about not trusting the Rock not to try to back out of their match, which is why he isn't trying to layout Rock right now Kind of silly to have Rock cheap shot Cena again. Especially after a loss. If Cena attacks Rock, hell just attack him. Also, Wouldnt make any sense for Cena to say that. We all know, including Cena, backing out of a match is not on Rocks agenda. No need to go there.
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