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Post by Dat Dude on Jul 22, 2012 11:08:30 GMT -5
Hey, come on guys. It's Triple H. He could wrestle a broom and it'd be better than any match from the midcard. Just ask him from the storyline almost seemingly put together to make everyone else the heel and him the ultimate fan loving face. Think back. He's always been great. Like that time he pedigree'd London and Kendrick for helping him because they briefly thought they could make him Austin like. Oh yeah, always the best promo guy. I mean, sure he had 20 minutes a week for like three years to craft impressive promos. I mean, it's not like must people don't get to speak except once in a blue moon. They must not be good at it. Not as good at Triple H, you know. And don't forget his amazing role in Blade 3! I mean, they edited commercials to make it seem like he was the main bad guy...but it's almost like he was...to Ryan Reynolds...when Parker Posey wasn't around. He's the Game. The King of Kings. The Cerebral Assassin. Sure, the name Triple H is in itself a nickname, but he deserves as many lauding titles as possible. He's just that d*** good. Oh wait, there's the catchphrase. Grand creative stuff there. Just don't forget, he's 'bi' a lot of things, but lingual isn't one of them.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jul 22, 2012 14:06:05 GMT -5
I never bought Trips as being that great. The guy's capable of having good matches, he's a very capable talker, but I never really felt he went beyond that.
He's the greatest possible example of what you can do when you give a guy unlimited promo time, never book him to look vulnerable, and do everything in your power to demonstrate that he's the "alpha dog" or whatever phrase you want to use.
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SEAN CARLESS
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Jul 22, 2012 17:01:04 GMT -5
I'm almost certain he's going over Brock Lesnar as well. It would make sense for him to start putting talent over, but after the whole CM Punk deal, I doubt that's going to happen. As long as he's off TV and behind the scene, he's great for business. Unless this is Brock's last match (instead of WrestleMania), there is no rational or defendable reason for this to happen. Yet, I wouldn't be surprised if you're right. To me, this one match will define where HHH's head is truly at, and debunk one side's defense/criticism definitively. A loss will show he's thinking about business first, his bloated, manufactured lagacy second. A Win...well, obviously the opposite.
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Post by Totorob101 on Jul 22, 2012 17:07:29 GMT -5
Awful Worker,poor on the mic,buries everyone..i think we can all agree if he was to never return,WWE would be a far better place.
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Post by Arrow on Jul 22, 2012 17:20:10 GMT -5
Awful Worker,poor on the mic,buries everyone..i think we can all agree if he was to never return,WWE would be a far better place. I'm not Triple H's biggest fan, but this is entirely wrong. He's an exceptional talent, and he'd never be where he is today if that weren't true.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Jul 22, 2012 17:40:53 GMT -5
Awful Worker,poor on the mic,buries everyone..i think we can all agree if he was to never return,WWE would be a far better place. I'm not Triple H's biggest fan, but this is entirely wrong. He's an exceptional talent, and he'd never be where he is today if that weren't true. Duh, everyone knows Triple H only got to where he is because he married the boss's daughter. Let's face it, the guy don't sell tickets and he don't sell merchandise. Hell, name me one above average match featuring the Game? And besides, how else do you explain his sudden push... in 1999? Also, letting his daughter and his company be taken advantage of by a talentless, glorified midcarder? Apparently, in this alternate universe, Vince McMahon is a terrible businessman and an even worse father.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2012 18:00:23 GMT -5
I'm not Triple H's biggest fan, but this is entirely wrong. He's an exceptional talent, and he'd never be where he is today if that weren't true. Duh, everyone knows Triple H only got to where he is because he married the boss's daughter. Let's face it, the guy don't sell tickets and he don't sell merchandise. Hell, name me one above average match featuring the Game? And besides, how else do you explain his sudden push... in 1999? Also, letting his daughter and his company be taken advantage of by a talentless, glorified midcarder? Apparently, in this alternate universe, Vince McMahon is a terrible businessman and an even worse father. Use this in case anyone challenges you. {Spoiler}You know he was carried through that match, come on.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jul 22, 2012 18:12:42 GMT -5
Now, I do think that he buries people for no reason, and while the WWE does ride his jock a bit too much at times, he did help carry the Attitude Era AND the Ruthless Aggression Era. During the Ruthless Aggression era, he was the top heel during a time where there was no established top face.
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Post by Jimmy on Jul 22, 2012 19:12:11 GMT -5
During the Ruthless Aggression era, he was the top heel during a time where there was no established top face. And during that time the company sank in terms of ratings, buyrates, and attendance. Go figure.
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on Jul 22, 2012 19:19:12 GMT -5
Triple h is a tremendous talent inside the ring. No one can take that away from him. But he is not in the tier of the Rock or Austin. Never. No matter how much the wwe wants him to be, he never was as popular or transcending as his peers. Hell, even Cena leapfrogged him in terms of being the face of the company.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2012 19:28:53 GMT -5
Hey, come on guys. It's Triple H. He could wrestle a broom and it'd be better than any match from the midcard. Just ask him from the storyline almost seemingly put together to make everyone else the heel and him the ultimate fan loving face. Think back. He's always been great. Like that time he pedigree'd London and Kendrick for helping him because they briefly thought they could make him Austin like. Oh yeah, always the best promo guy. I mean, sure he had 20 minutes a week for like three years to craft impressive promos. I mean, it's not like must people don't get to speak except once in a blue moon. They must not be good at it. Not as good at Triple H, you know. And don't forget his amazing role in Blade 3! I mean, they edited commercials to make it seem like he was the main bad guy...but it's almost like he was...to Ryan Reynolds...when Parker Posey wasn't around. He's the Game. The King of Kings. The Cerebral Assassin. Sure, the name Triple H is in itself a nickname, but he deserves as many lauding titles as possible. He's just that d*** good. Oh wait, there's the catchphrase. Grand creative stuff there. Just don't forget, he's 'bi' a lot of things, but lingual isn't one of them. You seem like a smart guy. Is your name Mark?
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Post by Burst on Jul 22, 2012 19:34:59 GMT -5
Now, I do think that he buries people for no reason, and while the WWE does ride his jock a bit too much at times, he did help carry the Attitude Era AND the Ruthless Aggression Era. During the Ruthless Aggression era, he was the top heel during a time where there was no established top face.Gee, I wonder if this could possibly be a whole lot of the problem.
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Post by 01010010 01101001 01100011 on Jul 22, 2012 19:39:14 GMT -5
During the Ruthless Aggression era, he was the top heel during a time where there was no established top face. And during that time the company sank in terms of ratings, buyrates, and attendance. Go figure. And since he left that spot the company is still sinking in terms of ratings, buyrates and attendance. Go figure.
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Post by Arrow on Jul 22, 2012 19:46:19 GMT -5
And during that time the company sank in terms of ratings, buyrates, and attendance. Go figure. And since he left that spot the company is still sinking in terms of ratings, buyrates and attendance. Go figure. I thought business picked up with the rise of Batista and Cena in 2005. I know that ratings on Raw, for example, picked up when Cena was moved there.
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Post by Jimmy on Jul 22, 2012 19:49:10 GMT -5
And since he left that spot the company is still sinking in terms of ratings, buyrates and attendance. Go figure. I thought business picked up with the rise of Batista and Cena in 2005. I know that ratings on Raw, for example, picked up when Cena was moved there. Yup.
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Post by mysterydriver on Jul 22, 2012 21:54:09 GMT -5
Hey, come on guys. It's Triple H. He could wrestle a broom and it'd be better than any match from the midcard. Just ask him from the storyline almost seemingly put together to make everyone else the heel and him the ultimate fan loving face. Think back. He's always been great. Like that time he pedigree'd London and Kendrick for helping him because they briefly thought they could make him Austin like. Oh yeah, always the best promo guy. I mean, sure he had 20 minutes a week for like three years to craft impressive promos. I mean, it's not like must people don't get to speak except once in a blue moon. They must not be good at it. Not as good at Triple H, you know. And don't forget his amazing role in Blade 3! I mean, they edited commercials to make it seem like he was the main bad guy...but it's almost like he was...to Ryan Reynolds...when Parker Posey wasn't around. He's the Game. The King of Kings. The Cerebral Assassin. Sure, the name Triple H is in itself a nickname, but he deserves as many lauding titles as possible. He's just that d*** good. Oh wait, there's the catchphrase. Grand creative stuff there. Just don't forget, he's 'bi' a lot of things, but lingual isn't one of them. You seem like a smart guy. Is your name Mark? Amadeus Jones, actually. But you can call me Amigo.
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Post by 01010010 01101001 01100011 on Jul 22, 2012 22:23:57 GMT -5
And since he left that spot the company is still sinking in terms of ratings, buyrates and attendance. Go figure. I thought business picked up with the rise of Batista and Cena in 2005. I know that ratings on Raw, for example, picked up when Cena was moved there. Going by www.gerweck.net/tv-ratings/2005-ratings/ there is no real difference (2. to .3 for a few weeks then back to the normal) in the ratings from before Cena's arrival to after. The average was higher than 2004 but 6 months of that was without Cena. Even if you completely blame Hunter for Raw losing ratings (ignoring the move from USA to Spike which hurt) in 02-04, then why not Cena for 08-12? The fact is fans get tired of seeing the same people on top and the time frame people love to kill Hunter for was the time he was ending his run on top and a lot were sick of him, same as were seeing for Cena now but no one blames Cena, they actually claim he's the only thing saving the shows. As a matter of fact, going by the ratings, Cena's best ratings drawing feud was with...Triple H.
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Post by BrodietheSlayer on Jul 22, 2012 22:54:33 GMT -5
I'd say it broke down like this, saying Attitude began officially in late 97, and ended at WM 17....
Late 97
1. Austin 2. HBK 3. Undertaker
Early 98
1. Austin 2. HBK 3. Undertaker
Mid 98
1. Austin 2. Taker 3. HHH
Late 98
1. Austin 2. Rock 3. Foley
Early 99
1. Austin 2. Rock 3. Foley
Mid 99
1. Austin 2. Rock 3. Foley/HHH
Late 99
1. Rock 2. HHH 3. Foley/Big show
Early 2000
1. Rock 2. HHH 3. Big Show/Foley
Mid 2000
1. Rock 2. HHH 3. Taker/Jericho
Late 2000
1. Rock 2. Austin 3. HHH
Early 2001
1. Rock 2. Austin 3. HHH
He was in it quite a bit at the end.....I guess it would be a shootout between he and Foley for #3, with HHH edging him out due to Foley retiring.
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Post by thecrusherwi on Jul 22, 2012 23:03:20 GMT -5
I'd say it broke down like this, saying Attitude began officially in late 97, and ended at WM 17.... Late 97 1. Austin 2. HBK 3. Undertaker Early 98 1. Austin 2. HBK 3. Undertaker Mid 98 1. Austin 2. Taker 3. HHH Late 98 1. Austin 2. Rock 3. Foley Early 99 1. Austin 2. Rock 3. Foley Mid 99
1. Austin 2. HHH 3. Rock Late 99
1. HHH 2. Rock 3. Foley/Big showEarly 2000
1. HHH/Stephanie 2. Rock 3. Big Show/FoleyMid 2000 1. Rock 2. HHH 3. Taker/Jericho Late 2000 1. Rock 2. Austin 3. HHH Early 2001 1. Rock 2. Austin 3. HHH He was in it quite a bit at the end.....I guess it would be a shootout between he and Foley for #3, with HHH edging him out due to Foley retiring. My opinion on what should be changed on a few of your rankings. I would say you're mostly right except for a few parts. No way was Foley ahead of Triple H in the Summer of 99. Foley was hurt for most of it. And Triple H was booked stronger than the Rock in the summer of 1999. He was beating The Rock almost every week on TV. Triple H was feuding with Austin and picking a fight with Jesse Ventura while The Rock was sticking Billy Gunns face in a large woman's ass. And go back and watch anything from Summerslam 1999 through Wrestlemania 2000. Triple H was the focus of the show. The Rock was having ppv matches with the British Bulldog and the New Age Outlaws and a mini feud with Al Snow for god's sake. Triple H was the focal point of the entire company for about 6-7 months.
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Post by Jimmy on Jul 22, 2012 23:07:51 GMT -5
I thought business picked up with the rise of Batista and Cena in 2005. I know that ratings on Raw, for example, picked up when Cena was moved there. Going by www.gerweck.net/tv-ratings/2005-ratings/ there is no real difference (2. to .3 for a few weeks then back to the normal) in the ratings from before Cena's arrival to after. The average was higher than 2004 but 6 months of that was without Cena. Even if you completely blame Hunter for Raw losing ratings (ignoring the move from USA to Spike which hurt) in 02-04, then why not Cena for 08-12? The fact is fans get tired of seeing the same people on top and the time frame people love to kill Hunter for was the time he was ending his run on top and a lot were sick of him, same as were seeing for Cena now but no one blames Cena, they actually claim he's the only thing saving the shows. As a matter of fact, going by the ratings, Cena's best ratings drawing feud was with...Triple H. I don't completely blame Triple H, but when you position yourself as the be-all, end all of professional wrestling like HHH did in 2002 on then you warrant certain criticisms. Also not sure what you mean in regards to Spike/USA. The move was made in 2000. www.gerweck.net/tv-ratings/2002-ratings/You'll notice that the point where the ratings stop hitting the high 3's or 4's with any regularity is end of August/early September. Now, I seem to recall Lesnar running to SmackDown at the end of August and a man with many H's taking over RAW...
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