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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2012 18:09:52 GMT -5
This is why I think both Marvel and DC need to start fres every 20 years or so, so each generation can have it's own take on the characters without being bogged down by half a century of continuity. And no, DC's half ass "some stuff happened, some stuff didn't" reboots they've been doing since 1985 don't count. All they've done is make things worse. So every 20 years I have to give up on all the characters and stories I care about as a fan because new fans cant be arsed to look on wiki or pick up a trade? Screw that. This thought process is why comics are so inaccessible to new readers. I've been reading comics for 25 years, I shouldn't HAVE to look stuff up on Wikipedia to follow the stories.
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Post by ronin705 on Aug 18, 2012 18:11:15 GMT -5
Simple, they'll clone Magneto so that he's in a younger body but with the same memories and mindset. what do you mean? Joseph already got spanked by daddy Mags very recently lol
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2012 18:12:35 GMT -5
If you wanted to do a reboot series, perhaps it could be done slightly differently than the way the Ultimate Universe was established. Instead of a separate set of overpriced comic books that fewer and fewer people will buy Marvel could keep the current series running while starting a limited series of monthly graphic novels. These graphic novels will be more attractive to the consumer as they will be the equivalent to 5 comics packaged together, which should improve the profitability of the series. The monthly titles of this so-called "Marvel reborn" series can be Spiderman, Avengers, X-Men, and Marvel Reborn featuring _______. The last one would be a series that could feature 5 shorts that are about the size of an average comic book that would feature characters that might not currently be able to sell a completely new line on their own but could contribute. Granted, in order to be sure that the Marvel Reborn featuring _____ line sells well there should be one or two shorts each monthly issue featuring solo adventures of characters from the other lines such as Wolverine, Iron Man, Venom (after he is reintroduced) or one of the more popular other lines such as Daredevil, Ghost Rider, Fantastic Four, or Deadpool. The other features can be projects involving less popular characters to see if they can capture an audience for the future. I would love a reboot of the Shogun Warriors if at all possible as well as a reintroduction of Ace. This is pretty much exactly what I want to see. The main lines being a fresh start featuring iconic versions of the characters, and a sub-line of the original universe for the continuity loving crowd. Sort of like what IDW is doing with G.I. Joe and Transformers.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Aug 18, 2012 18:33:17 GMT -5
If you wanted to do a reboot series, perhaps it could be done slightly differently than the way the Ultimate Universe was established. Instead of a separate set of overpriced comic books that fewer and fewer people will buy Marvel could keep the current series running while starting a limited series of monthly graphic novels. These graphic novels will be more attractive to the consumer as they will be the equivalent to 5 comics packaged together, which should improve the profitability of the series. The monthly titles of this so-called "Marvel reborn" series can be Spiderman, Avengers, X-Men, and Marvel Reborn featuring _______. The last one would be a series that could feature 5 shorts that are about the size of an average comic book that would feature characters that might not currently be able to sell a completely new line on their own but could contribute. Granted, in order to be sure that the Marvel Reborn featuring _____ line sells well there should be one or two shorts each monthly issue featuring solo adventures of characters from the other lines such as Wolverine, Iron Man, Venom (after he is reintroduced) or one of the more popular other lines such as Daredevil, Ghost Rider, Fantastic Four, or Deadpool. The other features can be projects involving less popular characters to see if they can capture an audience for the future. I would love a reboot of the Shogun Warriors if at all possible as well as a reintroduction of Ace. This is pretty much exactly what I want to see. The main lines being a fresh start featuring iconic versions of the characters, and a sub-line of the original universe for the continuity loving crowd. Sort of like what IDW is doing with G.I. Joe and Transformers. Exactly. In the long run they can start phasing out the less popular current lines and replace them with a new line from the reboot series that had gotten plenty of support in the monthly graphic novels. The Marvel Reborn featuring __ line can also start introducing villains in stories where they don't interact with heroes but rather show them trying to consolidate their power, interacting with other villains, random thugs that may or may not come to work for them, and other individuals to show them start their scheming so that when those villains are brought into the main lines they have schemes in place already.
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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on Aug 18, 2012 18:47:21 GMT -5
This is why we have legacy characters.Same name and powers but new person in the role.Of course then people who grew up with a certain version start writing the books and bring back the old versions becuse they are"iconic".
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Post by kolani on Aug 18, 2012 23:41:40 GMT -5
Marvel looks about to do a soft reboot with the X-Men titles. They're adding a team comprised of the original five members from different periods in history, which makes me think that Avengers vs X-Men isn't going to end well for Scott and Company.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Aug 19, 2012 0:39:30 GMT -5
Might be harder with Magneto. But more recently that had a simple solution for 'Iron Man' with the Vietnam war. Just make it a more recent war. I guess they could change Magneto's race to black living in South Africa during Apartheid. But that might be a too big of change for fans to take. Magneto will be played in the next X-Men movie by Morgan Freeman.
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Post by CMWaters on Aug 19, 2012 1:02:33 GMT -5
Hasn't Marvel also had this problem with The Punisher in recent years?
My solution? It's comic books, make up a new war. DC made a World War III at one point, after all.
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Post by Legion on Aug 19, 2012 8:05:52 GMT -5
So every 20 years I have to give up on all the characters and stories I care about as a fan because new fans cant be arsed to look on wiki or pick up a trade? Screw that. This thought process is why comics are so inaccessible to new readers. I've been reading comics for 25 years, I shouldn't HAVE to look stuff up on Wikipedia to follow the stories. If you've been reading for 25 years, which is a good decade longer than me, when was the last time you had to look something up to follow a modern Marvel story?
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Post by Citizen Snips on Aug 19, 2012 8:34:09 GMT -5
Hasn't Marvel also had this problem with The Punisher in recent years? With The Punisher, they can just move up the war he was in. Garth Ennis kept him as a Vietnam vet and had him aged appropriately, but the Tom Jane film had him serve in Desert Storm. I'm sure in a few years, he'll be an Afghan/Iraq vet. He doesn't actually had to have been in a war anyway. His military training is just the explanation for HOW he can punish everything, not WHY. He could be a special forces soldier that never saw combat and he'd still be able to exact vengeance on criminals.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Aug 19, 2012 9:13:55 GMT -5
If you wanted to do a reboot series, perhaps it could be done slightly differently than the way the Ultimate Universe was established. Instead of a separate set of overpriced comic books that fewer and fewer people will buy Marvel could keep the current series running while starting a limited series of monthly graphic novels. These graphic novels will be more attractive to the consumer as they will be the equivalent to 5 comics packaged together, which should improve the profitability of the series. The monthly titles of this so-called "Marvel reborn" series can be Spiderman, Avengers, X-Men, and Marvel Reborn featuring _______. The last one would be a series that could feature 5 shorts that are about the size of an average comic book that would feature characters that might not currently be able to sell a completely new line on their own but could contribute. Granted, in order to be sure that the Marvel Reborn featuring _____ line sells well there should be one or two shorts each monthly issue featuring solo adventures of characters from the other lines such as Wolverine, Iron Man, Venom (after he is reintroduced) or one of the more popular other lines such as Daredevil, Ghost Rider, Fantastic Four, or Deadpool. The other features can be projects involving less popular characters to see if they can capture an audience for the future. I would love a reboot of the Shogun Warriors if at all possible as well as a reintroduction of Ace. terrible idea. you might as well tell buyers "yeah but these stories don't really matter". whenever my friends ask me for recommendations about comics they should check out, they want to dive in to the main line of comics. they aren't interested in "movie prequels" or out-of-continuity "movie tie-ins", they want the 616/Earth 1 stuff. it's so patronizing (and counter-productive) of the comic industry to treat potential new fans who got into the characters from the movies like some kind of "special needs class" who need stories that have nothing to do with the on-going series and act like following the on-goings and caring about continuity/backstory is for some kind of priviledged few.
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Post by "American Cream" Dusty Loads on Aug 19, 2012 9:30:46 GMT -5
Hasn't Marvel also had this problem with The Punisher in recent years? With The Punisher, they can just move up the war he was in. Garth Ennis kept him as a Vietnam vet and had him aged appropriately, but the Tom Jane film had him serve in Desert Storm. I'm sure in a few years, he'll be an Afghan/Iraq vet. He doesn't actually had to have been in a war anyway. His military training is just the explanation for HOW he can punish everything, not WHY. He could be a special forces soldier that never saw combat and he'd still be able to exact vengeance on criminals. Nah, I think being in a war is an important part of Punisher's backstory. I think any war can work for the character, but Vietnam works best considering how f***ed up it was (of course all war is, but you know what i mean).
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Aug 19, 2012 9:34:11 GMT -5
you also have to remember that there are 2 separate continuities for Punisher. the Punisher MAX stuff is in its own world where there are no superheroes and Frank's aged in real time since Vietnam. the 616 Punisher on the other hand is a part of the same sliding timescale as everyone else, and for him that's fine. it's not so tied to a specific moment in history as Magneto is, nor is it as hard to extricate him from it.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Aug 20, 2012 9:14:55 GMT -5
If you wanted to do a reboot series, perhaps it could be done slightly differently than the way the Ultimate Universe was established. Instead of a separate set of overpriced comic books that fewer and fewer people will buy Marvel could keep the current series running while starting a limited series of monthly graphic novels. These graphic novels will be more attractive to the consumer as they will be the equivalent to 5 comics packaged together, which should improve the profitability of the series. The monthly titles of this so-called "Marvel reborn" series can be Spiderman, Avengers, X-Men, and Marvel Reborn featuring _______. The last one would be a series that could feature 5 shorts that are about the size of an average comic book that would feature characters that might not currently be able to sell a completely new line on their own but could contribute. Granted, in order to be sure that the Marvel Reborn featuring _____ line sells well there should be one or two shorts each monthly issue featuring solo adventures of characters from the other lines such as Wolverine, Iron Man, Venom (after he is reintroduced) or one of the more popular other lines such as Daredevil, Ghost Rider, Fantastic Four, or Deadpool. The other features can be projects involving less popular characters to see if they can capture an audience for the future. I would love a reboot of the Shogun Warriors if at all possible as well as a reintroduction of Ace. terrible idea. you might as well tell buyers "yeah but these stories don't really matter". whenever my friends ask me for recommendations about comics they should check out, they want to dive in to the main line of comics. they aren't interested in "movie prequels" or out-of-continuity "movie tie-ins", they want the 616/Earth 1 stuff. it's so patronizing (and counter-productive) of the comic industry to treat potential new fans who got into the characters from the movies like some kind of "special needs class" who need stories that have nothing to do with the on-going series and act like following the on-goings and caring about continuity/backstory is for some kind of priviledged few. I think you are missing the fact that this idea is just four self-contained monthly titles. You may say that it is patronizing to the new fans to do this, but it isn't a special needs treatment. I don't know about you, but there is little that is satisfying about catching yourself up on the history of a character you was just introduced to by Googling them. I want to be able to read the comics themselves, but not only is it is prohibitively expensive to buy an entire back-catalog of any series it is difficult. I know of one comic book store even remotely close to my location and most of the old comics that they have are of titles that I have either not heard of or do not particularly hold my interest. Let me give a few examples: The most recent Hulk movie (with Edward Norton) teased the origin of a potential future villain in The Leader. I was familiar with The Hulk growing up because of the TV series but I only got a couple of Hulk issues. As a result, I know next to nothing about the character but those that are familiar got particularly excited it seemed. This got me interested and I Googled the character. Despite the excitement that other fans had, I still don't care that much. I haven't invested in the character as I still have not read any comics with him in them and I certainly haven't read any iconic storylines with him in it. Another topic of conversation was the possibility that Agent Coulson might get reintroduced to the Avengers series as The Vision. I am behind this, but only because I have invested in Coulson. Many seem to like the idea only if Henry Pym and Ultron are involved. I don't care because I am not invested in Pym or Ultron. I never read about them. I read their Wiki pages and I still don't care. I did not read any of the comics involving Pym and I am not going to go to the trouble to go to the trouble to find the comics that gives me his origins. Some might froth at the mouth at this attitude. I don't care. I am a realist. I am a fan of comics and always have been. I just don't have unlimited time and resources to become familiar with every line that ever has been. The main Marvel Universe now contains so much material that it is inconceivable that any one person has read it all and if you just get into any character that has been around for any length of time it is unreasonable to expect that person to find all that back-issue material. I don't have the time and even if I did it requires more work than I currently am interested in putting into it. Does that mean that I would not put in the work? Not at all. I have put in the work for material regarding characters that I had become invested in. I bought old Spiderman, Batman, GL, Superman, X-Men, JLA, Marvel Star Wars, Marvel Transformers, and Marvel GI Joe. Do you care about the Shogun Warriors comics? Most people don't but I would spend enough money to piss off my wife if I could find an issue of it. Why? I care. I'm invested. Most people aren't in those particular characters, but that is fine. I get it. Long story short, it is hard to care about a character whose history you are not familiar with. There are a few ways to deal with that. 1) Only feature the core characters that everyone is familiar with. Even that can have downfalls, however. I have been reading Spiderman off and on since I was 5. Despite that, it wasn't until the Clone Saga that I had even heard of Gwen Stacy. How is that possible? It is because they killed her 2 years before I was born! 2) Put out compilation books that outline the combined history of a character. They do this some, but those things are huge, unwieldy, and unless I already care about the character featured I am not going to buy it anyways due to the cost involved. 3) Do what I suggested. It is a small investment to update in this manner. It does not interrupt the main line. It does not change a damned thing. If you don't care about reading the stories from a new beginning, you only have to avoid 4 titles that would sit on a different shelf in the first place. The Marvel Reborn featuring ____ would allow them to use popular characters to sell stories of less popular characters and possibly cause new fans to invest in those characters.
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Post by Legion on Aug 20, 2012 9:43:10 GMT -5
Your idea already exists, in a way, it's called 'Year One'
They aren't 'reborn' as such, but they are retellings of classic origins, occasionally updating a few things but intrducing anyone who cares to the main characters, drive and purpose of that franchise.
Similarly, Marvel put out comics such as 'Avengers presents....' which are retellings of classic events, but with a slightly more updated cast - they dont replace the stories already told and exist in their own bubble, but for example, if you wanted to know about Thanos, but only cared about primarily the movie cast and Spider-Man, you could look up Avengers Presents The Infinity Gauntlet.
On top of that, following the success of the movie, Marvel launched a new ongoing monthly called 'Avengers Assemble.' It's a really badly written book that throws out a crap ton of continuity and makes the characters sound like parodies of themselves, but it is a book meant to appeal to lazy new readers who dont want to be bogged down in the past and spells everything out for them.
Reading your post, Dr T, did indeed make me angry, not because of your argument, which makes some sense and is, at the least, logical, but I simply do not understand it. At no point do any Marvel books or movies expect you to know everything and everyone. Every single issue features a recap page and character profile blurb that would easily familiarise anyone with what had happened that was important to the story going on there.
If movie talk presented you with characters you did not know about, and then you decided that you did not care about them after reading their wiki page, I dont see what Marvel can do, as rebooting is likely to mean a smaller main range, less chances for character and the problems presented with mixed origins, where a future movie might draw inspiration from, and from there, what's more important - if everything is drawn from a 'reborn' universe, what purpose the old one?
They already put out their year one books and the point one issues to try and grab new readers and give them concise and fast paced introductions to characters. The fact that you have not been out and looked for these books is hardly anyone's fault but your own.
It seems to me that what your point actually boils down to is 'I cant be bothered to look for things, give it to me easy because if you dont, screw you and your characters, I wont care.'
I dont understand that mentality. It just screams laziness and arrogance at me because it's never an argument I see repeated for other mediums. TV series' that run long, book series', expanded universes for existing franchises - all fine, but comics need to reboot every X years, or put out a new universe or whatever?
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Aug 20, 2012 10:03:40 GMT -5
put it better than I could, Legion. it's like I said before, my friends who aren't avid comic readers but get interested because of the movies WANT to check out the main comic continuity, and Marvel does a pretty good job of recapping recent events (seriously, I have no idea why DC doesn't include recap pages). the movie tie-ins are usually terrible and because they're self-contained, there's no branching off points for a reader interested in other stories to jump on to. if something is a bit of a cipher to a new reader it's incredibly easy in this day and age to look it up on Wikipedia (because let's face it those recaps and editor notes can only cover so much ground). and if you still dont personally care, well that's you. just because Hank Pym's never been in a movie (yet) is no reason to ignore him in the comics, because he's got over 60 years of history that longtime readers are going to be attached to. a bigger universe may occassionally (okay, often) lend itself to some terrible story ideas, I'd rather have the big variety than keeping the universe to just a few characters who've had movies out.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Aug 20, 2012 10:22:38 GMT -5
Your idea already exists, in a way, it's called 'Year One' They aren't 'reborn' as such, but they are retellings of classic origins, occasionally updating a few things but intrducing anyone who cares to the main characters, drive and purpose of that franchise. Similarly, Marvel put out comics such as 'Avengers presents....' which are retellings of classic events, but with a slightly more updated cast - they dont replace the stories already told and exist in their own bubble, but for example, if you wanted to know about Thanos, but only cared about primarily the movie cast and Spider-Man, you could look up Avengers Presents The Infinity Gauntlet. On top of that, following the success of the movie, Marvel launched a new ongoing monthly called 'Avengers Assemble.' It's a really badly written book that throws out a crap ton of continuity and makes the characters sound like parodies of themselves, but it is a book meant to appeal to lazy new readers who dont want to be bogged down in the past and spells everything out for them. Reading your post, Dr T, did indeed make me angry, not because of your argument, which makes some sense and is, at the least, logical, but I simply do not understand it. At no point do any Marvel books or movies expect you to know everything and everyone. Every single issue features a recap page and character profile blurb that would easily familiarise anyone with what had happened that was important to the story going on there. If movie talk presented you with characters you did not know about, and then you decided that you did not care about them after reading their wiki page, I dont see what Marvel can do, as rebooting is likely to mean a smaller main range, less chances for character and the problems presented with mixed origins, where a future movie might draw inspiration from, and from there, what's more important - if everything is drawn from a 'reborn' universe, what purpose the old one? They already put out their year one books and the point one issues to try and grab new readers and give them concise and fast paced introductions to characters. The fact that you have not been out and looked for these books is hardly anyone's fault but your own. It seems to me that what your point actually boils down to is 'I cant be bothered to look for things, give it to me easy because if you dont, screw you and your characters, I wont care.' I dont understand that mentality. It just screams laziness and arrogance at me because it's never an argument I see repeated for other mediums. TV series' that run long, book series', expanded universes for existing franchises - all fine, but comics need to reboot every X years, or put out a new universe or whatever? I was unfamiliar with this Year One thing. I have never seen it or I would definitely check it out. If my idea already exists, then it would be redundant to it my way outside of releasing them in medium sized volumes. BTW, it isn't arrogance that I don't want to go looking for stuff I am unfamiliar with. It is a recognition that it is undoable. The reason that other mediums don't have the same issues as comics is that archival formats are more accessible than what comics have. - If you have never read the Shannara series but I talked you into it it is not that particularly difficult to find popular books. Hell, even if they do not reprint them you can get electronic versions of them. - Old movies? Netflix, TCM, or something else. Dailymotion still has a number of older films in entirety. - Old TV shows? Most of the really popular ones still get syndicated. It isn't even that hard to find a channel that plays Bonanza still. Less popular ones might still appear on Netflix. More rare ones whose copyright owners don't care about too much can be found on Youtube. My point is that it is obscenely difficult to get a complete collection of comics if you are desperate to complete it. That I don't mind. I'll still pick up old comics from time to time, but it will be for character that I am familiar with. I love The Fabulous Frog-Man. He is amusingly stupid. I don't mind digging around trying to find the only 10 issues of comics he has ever appeared in. I do not expect anyone else to care enough about him to do it. I care because I coincidentally bought the Marvel Team-up that was his second appearance because Spiderman was in it (and White Rabbit was on the cover - hubba, hubba. Yeah, I was a pervy 7 year old). Actually, I fell in love with the White Rabbit character in that issue as well. Yes, she is incredibly lame and I don't expect anyone who reads her wiki entry without actually having read the source material to be interested enough to go to the trouble to find the original. It is far too much work. If Marvel ever comes up with an app for the Kindle this will all be moot. Suddenly finding the source material is doable again. I never said that I would never have checked out The Leader if you placed him within reach of me. That would be ridiculous. I just do not care enough to go to the incredible lengths that are currently required to find the source material.
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Post by Legion on Aug 20, 2012 10:43:00 GMT -5
Marvel now have an entire digital library, their service is actually incredibly cheap for the service provided and it is available on everything from your PC to your Smart Phone. There are also numerous illegal ways to access comics from the weekly new releases to entire back catalogues, same as with old TVs and Movies, and indeed, just as you suggested with the book series 'Shannara' Marvel have collected versions such as the Marvel Masterworks volumes, the Essential Collections reprints and the absolutely spectacular, but granted, very pricey Omnibus editions.
Marvel do not have a Kindle app, though apparently there will be a Fire app, because that does colour and images, while the Kindle isn't remotely for that (although there are ways to make a Kindle show a comic if someone was that way inclined).
Again, I put it to you that Marvel already has many, many things in place for those wanting to read in the digital age, as well as providing large scale print copy versions of key character/cross overs and indeed, collected editions of work by key writers or artists.
The Leader is in reach of you, as long as you are willing to pay and have the modern technology to do it.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Aug 20, 2012 10:47:49 GMT -5
BTW, when I say I don't care, I mean that I don't care enough to go to the comic book store and sort through 50,000 comics, of which only about 20% contains characters that I am interested in. The material that features the characters that I am familiar with are not accessible enough. There are not that many characters that I got into that no one else did, so the ones I want get snatched up by guys who have more time than myself and beat me to them. For example, I cannot put into words how badly I want to be able to find the New Teen Titans Drug Awareness Special again. I had it as a kid and lost it. I found the testimonials in it, including one by Speedy, particularly powerful. Every time I tracked it down somewhere someone else who had more time on their hands beat me to them by a week or so. Granted, if I ever met those guys that beat me to them I could probably tease them by telling them what it feels like to be with a woman, but that isn't enough of a consolation to coming up empty. Still, because I am invested in it on an emotional level the effort is worth it to me. You will see me on this forum occasionally discuss the character of Ace with Madison. He is a favorite of both of ours despite appearing a grand total of two times. I now own both issues he was in because I got the first one he was in as a kid (and lost it, just like I did with every single comic I had as a kid). Based off of his Marvel wiki entry, do you think you would go to the trouble? The simple fact of the matter is that there is a massive loss in translation from original media to wiki entries no matter how massive the entry is. Even if a character sounds like it could be interesting there is no investment there. Without the investment, it is simply too difficult to try. Again, once Marvel has an app that will change. I will check out Pym purely because others seem to care about him. I will check out Leader. I will familiarize myself with more than the basics regarding Captain America. I will read up on all 6 Jack O'Lanterns. The ability to find the source material and potentially get invested in them will finally be there.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Aug 20, 2012 10:50:52 GMT -5
Marvel now have an entire digital library, their service is actually incredibly cheap for the service provided and it is available on everything from your PC to your Smart Phone. There are also numerous illegal ways to access comics from the weekly new releases to entire back catalogues, same as with old TVs and Movies, and indeed, just as you suggested with the book series 'Shannara' Marvel have collected versions such as the Marvel Masterworks volumes, the Essential Collections reprints and the absolutely spectacular, but granted, very pricey Omnibus editions. Marvel do not have a Kindle app, though apparently there will be a Fire app, because that does colour and images, while the Kindle isn't remotely for that (although there are ways to make a Kindle show a comic if someone was that way inclined). Again, I put it to you that Marvel already has many, many things in place for those wanting to read in the digital age, as well as providing large scale print copy versions of key character/cross overs and indeed, collected editions of work by key writers or artists. The Leader is in reach of you, as long as you are willing to pay and have the modern technology to do it. That sounds better. I don't care go to pirated material, so that is out. I have never seen this digital access stuff. Granted, I don't even have a Kindle yet but I probably would buy one if I could read old comics on it.
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