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Post by mizerable on Jun 4, 2012 13:18:46 GMT -5
I don't know why anyone complains about the realism. Is it so wrong that ONE comic book movie series is a little more grounded into realism? Part of what killed Batman for me during the 90's was how ridiculous it got. And let's remember, this isn't the end of Batman...it'll get rebooted at some point, so you'll have your chance to see Clayface, Killer Croc and other outrageous villains in all their CGI glory.
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Post by kidglov3s on Jun 4, 2012 13:27:20 GMT -5
See though, Nolan knows how to pace a movie. Every movie he's directed since taking over the Batman franchise has gone over 130 minutes and that includes The Prestige and Inception, and his films before BB were nearly 2 hours, but they always feel shorter than that. You're going to have a lot of action to be driven throughout this movie and Nolan drives plot better than most every other director. It's going to feel short in the theater, but that's just my opinion. I remember a lot of complaints about the pacing in Batman Begins, at the time of its release. It put me to sleep in the theaters but I can't hold that against it, I fall asleep a lot. I think if anything is going to hurt Dark Knight Rises it's going to be the factor of not having Heath Ledger in it, to me it seemed like the combined mystique of his performance and death that propelled The Dark Knight so much (Batman) beyond the success that its predecessor enjoyed.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jun 4, 2012 15:42:15 GMT -5
I don't know why anyone complains about the realism. Is it so wrong that ONE comic book movie series is a little more grounded into realism? Part of what killed Batman for me during the 90's was how ridiculous it got. And let's remember, this isn't the end of Batman...it'll get rebooted at some point, so you'll have your chance to see Clayface, Killer Croc and other outrageous villains in all their CGI glory. No one's asking for it to be ridiculously over-the-top. I think a touch of realism is a good thing, but there is such a thing as taking it too far. When you make a Batman world where half of his villains can't even plausibly exist, you've gone too far.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jun 4, 2012 15:58:02 GMT -5
If it's awesome, which I'm sure it will be, run time won't bother me a bit.
If anything, I'm sad to see Nolan's version end.
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Post by mizerable on Jun 4, 2012 16:17:12 GMT -5
No one's asking for it to be ridiculously over-the-top. I think a touch of realism is a good thing, but there is such a thing as taking it too far. When you make a Batman world where half of his villains can't even plausibly exist, you've gone too far. Outside of Clayface, Man-Bat and possibly Mr. Freeze and Killer Croc, who isn't plausible? No one is going to see a movie to see those characters anyways. If this series continued for another couple of movies, we'd get Penguin, Riddler, Poison Ivy and such.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jun 4, 2012 16:21:41 GMT -5
No one's asking for it to be ridiculously over-the-top. I think a touch of realism is a good thing, but there is such a thing as taking it too far. When you make a Batman world where half of his villains can't even plausibly exist, you've gone too far. Outside of Clayface, Man-Bat and possibly Mr. Freeze and Killer Croc, who isn't plausible? No one is going to see a movie to see those characters anyways. If this series continued for another couple of movies, we'd get Penguin, Riddler, Poison Ivy and such. People go to the movies to see Batman, they're Batman movies. Bane is no higher in notoriety for the common moviegoer than Clayface and Man-Bat, and Mister Freeze is much more well known than Bane. Also, any one of those villains could be amazing. I don't understand why anyone would make excuses as to why they shouldn't exist. They're top Batman villains. They belong.
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Post by mizerable on Jun 4, 2012 16:37:19 GMT -5
Yeah, but they're not above Riddler, Penguin or Poison Ivy.
Keep in mind, I have a feeling that Nolan only agreed to Catwoman, if WB agreed to Bane.
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Post by tigermaskxxxvii on Jun 4, 2012 18:46:33 GMT -5
Couldn't have said it better myself. I'm not as excited as it was for DK, not even a fraction of which, but I'm optimistic about this. I want it to be a good movie. Why the hell would anyone want it to be a bad movie? Do you hate Nolan or Bale or something? Maybe, if they were the DP on Terminator Salvation it would make sense.
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Post by Michael Coello on Jun 4, 2012 18:49:23 GMT -5
Couldn't have said it better myself. I'm not as excited as it was for DK, not even a fraction of which, but I'm optimistic about this. I want it to be a good movie. Why the hell would anyone want it to be a bad movie? Do you hate Nolan or Bale or something? Maybe, if they were the DP on Terminator Salvation it would make sense. We're all newspaper moguls. Damn you, Jack Kelly!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2012 19:02:46 GMT -5
There really seems to be a big Dark Knight backlash that I was not aware of...
And people care about film lengths? Clearly I'm very sheltered.
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Post by The Dark Angel on Jun 4, 2012 19:04:52 GMT -5
To me, runtimes don't really matter. Its film quality that does
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Post by Joker on Jun 4, 2012 19:24:32 GMT -5
No one's asking for it to be ridiculously over-the-top. I think a touch of realism is a good thing, but there is such a thing as taking it too far. When you make a Batman world where half of his villains can't even plausibly exist, you've gone too far. Outside of Clayface, Man-Bat and possibly Mr. Freeze and Killer Croc, who isn't plausible? No one is going to see a movie to see those characters anyways. If this series continued for another couple of movies, we'd get Penguin, Riddler, Poison Ivy and such. Poison Ivy is not a Plausible villain in the Nolan Batman Universe ... her MO is giant plants of doom. But otherwise yeah I'd agree .. probably have Black Mask show up if it had continued.
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Post by dav on Jun 4, 2012 19:32:05 GMT -5
Outside of Clayface, Man-Bat and possibly Mr. Freeze and Killer Croc, who isn't plausible? No one is going to see a movie to see those characters anyways. If this series continued for another couple of movies, we'd get Penguin, Riddler, Poison Ivy and such. Poison Ivy is not a Plausible villain in the Nolan Batman Universe ... her MO is giant plants of doom. But otherwise yeah I'd agree .. probably have Black Mask show up if it had continued. Could have played up the eco-terrorist part of Ivy's character along with her knowledge in poisons and she could have fit in quite well as a low level assassin of some sort.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2012 19:39:32 GMT -5
There really seems to be a big Dark Knight backlash that I was not aware of... And people care about film lengths? Clearly I'm very sheltered. Eh, its more about Nolan's style. If you've watched the first to Batman movies and thought they were unnecessarily long in certain parts (see: dragged on....) - the prospect of another uber-long film isn't exactly titillating.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Jun 4, 2012 19:49:32 GMT -5
There really seems to be a big Dark Knight backlash that I was not aware of... And people care about film lengths? Clearly I'm very sheltered. Eh, its more about Nolan's style. If you've watched the first to Batman movies and thought they were unnecessarily long in certain parts (see: dragged on....) - the prospect of another uber-long film isn't exactly titillating. Pretty much. 3 hours of Christopher Nolan treating Batman DEADLY seriously is a bit...much. Dark Knight was cool, because the Joker was awesome enough to break up the monotony of a guy in a bat suit taking it completely, 100% stone seriously, and Aaron Eckhart played a fascinating Harvey Dent(not so much Two-Face, but that should have been it's own separate movie anyways). I don't know if Bane and Catwoman can do that.
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Post by mizerable on Jun 4, 2012 20:03:38 GMT -5
Dude...Nolan doesn't take Batman THAT seriously. He gives the character a real world to live in, but there is still theatrics, action and many scenes that are over the top. If he treated Batman like what he's supposed to be, the world's greatest detective, he would be gathering evidence and spending the majority of the film in his lab with dreary dialogue with little to no action. Poison Ivy is not a Plausible villain in the Nolan Batman Universe ... her MO is giant plants of doom. But otherwise yeah I'd agree .. probably have Black Mask show up if it had continued. Well, it could work, depending on his interpretation, which is what I like, someone treating the characters like something more than just silly comic characters.
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Post by Danimal on Jun 5, 2012 2:16:05 GMT -5
To me, runtimes don't really matter. Its film quality that does Ya, I'd say it varies from movie to movie. Longs can work. It's about pacing and necessity of the material. I didn't notice the length of TDK, it hit the ground running and kept on chugging. I noticed the length of Inglorious Basterds, thought QT was just getting too self-indulgent with his dialogue.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2012 7:54:08 GMT -5
Eh, its more about Nolan's style. If you've watched the first to Batman movies and thought they were unnecessarily long in certain parts (see: dragged on....) - the prospect of another uber-long film isn't exactly titillating. Pretty much. 3 hours of Christopher Nolan treating Batman DEADLY seriously is a bit...much. Dark Knight was cool, because the Joker was awesome enough to break up the monotony of a guy in a bat suit taking it completely, 100% stone seriously, and Aaron Eckhart played a fascinating Harvey Dent(not so much Two-Face, but that should have been it's own separate movie anyways). I don't know if Bane and Catwoman can do that. Yeah, a 3 hour long film basically jumping back and forth between action and a bleak, depressing world can be a bit much. That's Nolan's style though so you know what you're getting when you buy the ticket I guess. His films aren't known for having a lot of heart haha. Films can be long, but they just have to warrant the long running time. Kill Bill, originally was supposed to be one long film that Tarantino broke up into two shorter films. That film needed a long run time to tell the whole story, I'm not sure DK could make the same claim.
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