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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Sept 21, 2011 14:28:56 GMT -5
My issue with police procedure stems from having family get not only railroaded by bad cops but literally having their life threatened by a crooked cop who viewed my then 16 year old brother as a threat to his relationship with his (the cop's) underage girlfriend. Yes, it was the act of one bad cop and not a pandemic that is sweeping the nation, though there are plenty of examples of the minute minority of cops who don't do what they are supposed to. I want cops and anyone else in a position of authority to do what they are supposed to do as one bad act by a bad cop can cost people their lives. If all the good cops adhere to the rules the bad cops will stand out and can be removed from their posts. If all the decent cops bend the rules then the bad ones can hide behind all of that. In regards to Reby's recent claims, she is damned either way the story goes. I was willing to praise her doing something that was decidedly not the act of an enabler when she supposedly called the cops, but if she did that then she should be willing to stand by her act. If that is what happened then she lost the respect that I was willing to give for making the tough call. That is not what she is claiming, however. Her story does not remove her from the potential enabler role one bit. Her story is that she called 911 for emergency medical help. The thing is that when it is medical there is good reason that there is such a thing as doctor-patient confidentiality. If every druggie that takes too much is going to get the cops called on them for seeking medical help, they will stop doing it and some people will die. There are supposed to be laws about preventing the police from using a 911 call for emergency medical help against the patient in question as it is a medical situation, something that they are not allowed to be privy to without the consent of the patient or a legal family member (which Reby is not). If the cops based their warrant off of questioning stemming from a medical 911 call, the entire search might be invalidated. That would be a shame. Hardy SHOULD get in trouble, but it must be done the right way. It sets a dangerous precedent to do so otherwise, not only because it sets the stage for later violation of the rights of others but because it causes more people to mistrust the cops and, most importantly, potentially sets the stage for Hardy to be freed of charges. Look, if TMZ or Reby are full of crap and everything truly was done on the up and up, then I have absolutely no problems with it. You might notice that I did not have a single objection to Matt's other arrests (just concerns that whatever Matt was on might not show up in a drug screen). I have no doubts that Matt had the things that they say that he had. I just cannot shake the feeling that something is off. To be honest, what could be off is just that the grounds for the warrant has not been adequately explained in these online reports (shocking idea, I know). If that is the case, again, I have no problems. To conclude, I care about the police procedures because we all should. It is not just Matt Hardy's rights that could be affected if procedures are not followed to the letter. Even worse, if Matt gets off on the technicalities that I fear could be argued, he might not change a thing, get next-level-stupid on mushrooms, get behind the wheel and actually kill someone this time. It is that important. I'm not completely up on my legalese, but, if you're interested in reading the 17 page warrant (which includes the officer's story), it's out there, I found it on TMZ, myself, and to me it looks like everything is on the up and up. But that would require me to actually visit TMZ. To me that is like visiting a house of ill repute. It does make me feel more comfortable that the information for the warrant was made available to the public. That makes it less likely that any funny business is going on. Still, to satiate my curiosity I might still look it up. Edit: I looked at the documents in question. The only problem that might come up is that the officers were the ones to arrive at the scene instead of the EMTs that it seems were asked for by Reby. A good lawyer could argue that questioning Reby was the result of knowledge of a call for medical help and therefore should have been subjected to privilege. Otherwise, if the officers can provide a legitimate reason to have been on the grounds other than to respond to a call for medical help then it appears on the up and up. Still, that patient rights issue can be a major hang up. Either the cops have to respect those rights and not respond to a call to their 911 dispatcher or the 911 dispatch will simply have to not be associated with the police, which can cut down on the efficiency of said system and potentially cost lives. In short, it still seems to me that the initial reason for being there as stated is suspect, though there are loopholes that could be used as he has had a few recent arrests and if they discussed those arrests during the visit it *could* open the door for use of all this anyways. The unfortunate downside is that any other Moore county hard luck case that might need help might not call for it because of this.
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Post by Ace Baretta on Sept 21, 2011 14:59:06 GMT -5
When Reby said he was "strung out on pills" I'm sure that was red flag enough to send paramedics and police.
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Post by Ace Baretta on Sept 21, 2011 15:03:44 GMT -5
Also, doing some research on the crap they found at his place in "The Hardyz Zecret Zafe O'Drugz (tm)" shows to me that, regardless of the legalities or whatever, he is in need of some serious help.
MDMA, Vial of Liquids (Anabolics?), Vial of White Powder (Cocaine?), K2 (synthetic weed, and from all accounts could be dangerous), and Blue Lotus (misspelled loctus) Extract (mild sedative with psychoactive tendencies).
Yeah, arrest or not, dude is seriously farked up.
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Post by Widow's Peak on Sept 21, 2011 15:08:09 GMT -5
I'm not completely up on my legalese, but, if you're interested in reading the 17 page warrant (which includes the officer's story), it's out there, I found it on TMZ, myself, and to me it looks like everything is on the up and up. But that would require me to actually visit TMZ. To me that is like visiting a house of ill repute. It does make me feel more comfortable that the information for the warrant was made available to the public. That makes it less likely that any funny business is going on. Still, to satiate my curiosity I might still look it up. Edit: I looked at the documents in question. The only problem that might come up is that the officers were the ones to arrive at the scene instead of the EMTs that it seems were asked for by Reby. A good lawyer could argue that questioning Reby was the result of knowledge of a call for medical help and therefore should have been subjected to privilege. Otherwise, if the officers can provide a legitimate reason to have been on the grounds other than to respond to a call for medical help then it appears on the up and up. Still, that patient rights issue can be a major hang up. Either the cops have to respect those rights and not respond to a call to their 911 dispatcher or the 911 dispatch will simply have to not be associated with the police, which can cut down on the efficiency of said system and potentially cost lives. In short, it still seems to me that the initial reason for being there as stated is suspect, though there are loopholes that could be used as he has had a few recent arrests and if they discussed those arrests during the visit it *could* open the door for use of all this anyways. The unfortunate downside is that any other Moore county hard luck case that might need help might not call for it because of this. Am I correct that the 911 call hasn't come out yet? If she said anything about being afraid for her safety, or that he was violent, the police definitely would have been asked to come to the scene. If a hysterical woman is crying that her boyfriend is "crazy on pills", the first concern would be her safety. As for her recent claim, I agree with those that think it sounds like she's covering her ass. Neither one of them seem particularly trustworthy at this point.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2011 15:15:32 GMT -5
Forced to answer incriminating questions? I can't wait for the follow up where she claims that she was waterboarded.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Sept 21, 2011 15:23:03 GMT -5
But that would require me to actually visit TMZ. To me that is like visiting a house of ill repute. It does make me feel more comfortable that the information for the warrant was made available to the public. That makes it less likely that any funny business is going on. Still, to satiate my curiosity I might still look it up. Edit: I looked at the documents in question. The only problem that might come up is that the officers were the ones to arrive at the scene instead of the EMTs that it seems were asked for by Reby. A good lawyer could argue that questioning Reby was the result of knowledge of a call for medical help and therefore should have been subjected to privilege. Otherwise, if the officers can provide a legitimate reason to have been on the grounds other than to respond to a call for medical help then it appears on the up and up. Still, that patient rights issue can be a major hang up. Either the cops have to respect those rights and not respond to a call to their 911 dispatcher or the 911 dispatch will simply have to not be associated with the police, which can cut down on the efficiency of said system and potentially cost lives. In short, it still seems to me that the initial reason for being there as stated is suspect, though there are loopholes that could be used as he has had a few recent arrests and if they discussed those arrests during the visit it *could* open the door for use of all this anyways. The unfortunate downside is that any other Moore county hard luck case that might need help might not call for it because of this. Am I correct that the 911 call hasn't come out yet? If she said anything about being afraid for her safety, or that he was violent, the police definitely would have been asked to come to the scene. If a hysterical woman is crying that her boyfriend is "crazy on pills", the first concern would be her safety. As for her recent claim, I agree with those that think it sounds like she's covering her ass. Neither one of them seem particularly trustworthy at this point. No idea, but I would suspect that if she had said either of those phrases then it would have been part of the warrant application, which they were not. What was there was that she stated that Matt was hopped up on pills, which a good lawyer will argue is a medical issue and one that the cops had no rights to respond to. I suspect what will happen is that he will plead out. He will plead guilty in exchange for dropping the more serious charges (which the prosecution would have to spend a lot of money on a trial for, win or lose). His sentence will probably even be suspended pending his successful completion of a rehab program.
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Post by Ace Baretta on Sept 21, 2011 15:32:38 GMT -5
The police may have been sent in accordance to the responder's inclination.
"Strung out on pills" can mean a non responsive victim or could mean dangerously violent. In any case it was a drug related instance, and I'm sure there are rules in place (that I can't seem to find anywhere) on who gets dispatched on what calls and how.
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Post by Loser troll. Please ban me on Sept 21, 2011 16:29:51 GMT -5
This is not being said in any kind of malicious way,But I don't think matt will make it to the end of the year alive at this rate.
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Post by kidglov3s on Sept 21, 2011 16:33:50 GMT -5
This is not being said in any kind of malicious way,But I don't think matt will make it to the end of the year alive at this rate. Hater.
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Post by Loser troll. Please ban me on Sept 21, 2011 17:50:11 GMT -5
This is not being said in any kind of malicious way,But I don't think matt will make it to the end of the year alive at this rate. Hater. Needs a winking smiling
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Post by kidglov3s on Sept 21, 2011 17:54:44 GMT -5
(Sega) GENESIS!
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Post by Red Impact on Sept 21, 2011 18:09:09 GMT -5
I'm not completely up on my legalese, but, if you're interested in reading the 17 page warrant (which includes the officer's story), it's out there, I found it on TMZ, myself, and to me it looks like everything is on the up and up. But that would require me to actually visit TMZ. To me that is like visiting a house of ill repute. It does make me feel more comfortable that the information for the warrant was made available to the public. That makes it less likely that any funny business is going on. Still, to satiate my curiosity I might still look it up. Edit: I looked at the documents in question. The only problem that might come up is that the officers were the ones to arrive at the scene instead of the EMTs that it seems were asked for by Reby. A good lawyer could argue that questioning Reby was the result of knowledge of a call for medical help and therefore should have been subjected to privilege. Otherwise, if the officers can provide a legitimate reason to have been on the grounds other than to respond to a call for medical help then it appears on the up and up. Still, that patient rights issue can be a major hang up. Either the cops have to respect those rights and not respond to a call to their 911 dispatcher or the 911 dispatch will simply have to not be associated with the police, which can cut down on the efficiency of said system and potentially cost lives. In short, it still seems to me that the initial reason for being there as stated is suspect, though there are loopholes that could be used as he has had a few recent arrests and if they discussed those arrests during the visit it *could* open the door for use of all this anyways. The unfortunate downside is that any other Moore county hard luck case that might need help might not call for it because of this. I'll admit to the fact that I'm no lawyer, but I'm pretty sure patient's rights don't meant what you're implying. If someone calls 911 because they were shot, by your reasoning, police couldn't come out if they were calling for medical help. Officers are first responders, they have every right to respond to a suspicious call. 911 calls get relayed to police, fire, ambulance services, etc. Privilege applies to doctors and their patients, and I'm pretty sure it doesn't apply to 911 dispatchers and the people calling.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 21, 2011 18:21:12 GMT -5
(Sega) GENESIS! Of Mcgillicutty. So starting right now is the beginning of the posts start of the outset of beginning to start to think about going ahead and winking at some point in the future.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Sept 21, 2011 21:49:31 GMT -5
But that would require me to actually visit TMZ. To me that is like visiting a house of ill repute. It does make me feel more comfortable that the information for the warrant was made available to the public. That makes it less likely that any funny business is going on. Still, to satiate my curiosity I might still look it up. Edit: I looked at the documents in question. The only problem that might come up is that the officers were the ones to arrive at the scene instead of the EMTs that it seems were asked for by Reby. A good lawyer could argue that questioning Reby was the result of knowledge of a call for medical help and therefore should have been subjected to privilege. Otherwise, if the officers can provide a legitimate reason to have been on the grounds other than to respond to a call for medical help then it appears on the up and up. Still, that patient rights issue can be a major hang up. Either the cops have to respect those rights and not respond to a call to their 911 dispatcher or the 911 dispatch will simply have to not be associated with the police, which can cut down on the efficiency of said system and potentially cost lives. In short, it still seems to me that the initial reason for being there as stated is suspect, though there are loopholes that could be used as he has had a few recent arrests and if they discussed those arrests during the visit it *could* open the door for use of all this anyways. The unfortunate downside is that any other Moore county hard luck case that might need help might not call for it because of this. I'll admit to the fact that I'm no lawyer, but I'm pretty sure patient's rights don't meant what you're implying. If someone calls 911 because they were shot, by your reasoning, police couldn't come out if they were calling for medical help. Officers are first responders, they have every right to respond to a suspicious call. 911 calls get relayed to police, fire, ambulance services, etc. Privilege applies to doctors and their patients, and I'm pretty sure it doesn't apply to 911 dispatchers and the people calling. Gunshots are a different case. Gunshot wounds are either going to be an illegal act or clearly must be cleared otherwise. Being strung out on medication is a different story. There are plenty of cases where someone is loopy on legal drugs. Hell, I have been that way. Granted, it was a bad reaction to a prescribed dose of pain killers, but it happened. Again, in an effort to not have people avoid getting medical help in severe need there needs to be a restriction on using that call for help against the patient. Laws are usually put in place to avoid that. Granted, I am neither a lawyer nor an expert on the laws of NC. It is entirely possible that NC has a series of laws in place that deliberately neglects this. I honestly don't know. I just think it is not in everyone's best interest for that to be so, but then again personal rights are disappearing left and right every day.
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Post by Red Impact on Sept 22, 2011 0:18:36 GMT -5
You can shoot yourself in the foot with a firearm that you legally own. Likewise, the number of OD's that occur that involve illegal drugs is a significant number of OD calls that come in. Why is one a necessith to clear, and the other not? More importantly, how is that not giving blanket immunity to drug users and dealers from prosecution.
And really, let's drop this personal rights argument. If you call 911, you don't have a personal right to not have the police ask you what the hell happened. Yes, there are questionable incidents with police all the time. That doesn't mean we should go to the other extreme and remove their ability to investigate reported incidents just because they weren't asked for. No personal rights disappeared here.
For the final argument, if someone is of the mind set that they don't want to get the police involved, they're probably not going to jump at the opportunity to call the authorities regardless. Unless I actually see data that'd suggest it, I don't there's a legit argument there. A person is either going to be willing to go or not, and I have a feeling that people aren't dying in secret because are afraid of calling 911.
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Post by Ace Baretta on Sept 22, 2011 0:26:22 GMT -5
Thank you Red. Logic prevails over another conspiracy theorist.
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Post by Lardlad on Sept 22, 2011 6:33:31 GMT -5
Just read the 17-page warrant for arrest. And first thing I noticed was that the search warrant affidavit was prepared by "SGT HART" LOL
Also, tomorrow is Matt Hardy's birthday. I'm glad he checked into rehab yesterday instead of waiting until this weekend so he could have one last hurrah before turning 37. After hearing stories, seeing videos and pictures of his party's, the last thing he needed was one more big blowout party with all his enablers around him....
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