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Post by Greer on Sept 17, 2012 23:44:22 GMT -5
Three man booths don't work.
Nothing to do with JR.
Three man booths don't work at all. You've always got an odd man out. With a two man booth you have a color guy and play by play.
In a three man booth, what is the third guy's role exactly? There isn't much of a place for him to fit in. Does he play heel, does he play face? It's just an awkward situation.
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Post by CMWaters on Sept 18, 2012 0:03:13 GMT -5
Three man booths don't work. Nothing to do with JR. Three man booths don't work at all. You've always got an odd man out. With a two man booth you have a color guy and play by play. In a three man booth, what is the third guy's role exactly? There isn't much of a place for him to fit in. Does he play heel, does he play face? It's just an awkward situation. In WCW it worked. Shiavonie was the Play by Play, Heenan was color, Tenay was the technical analyist and historian (especially during the Cruiserweight matches)
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Post by salsashark on Sept 18, 2012 0:06:05 GMT -5
I used to be a big JR fan, but yeah, I can't remember any great calls he's made since 2006/2007 (when I got back into wrestling). Anything come to mind?
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Post by celticjobber on Sept 18, 2012 0:08:12 GMT -5
Ross is the best wrestling announcers who's ever lived. And he's still got for sure.
But he's better off in a 2-man commentary team with a color commentator. Not as part of a 3-man group, especially with Cole and JBL.
And Ryder sucked during his US title run, he lost almost every match when he was champion. And he's a sub-par in-ring worker. So I don't see how Ross was wrong in what he said.
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Post by Greer on Sept 18, 2012 0:09:40 GMT -5
Three man booths don't work. Nothing to do with JR. Three man booths don't work at all. You've always got an odd man out. With a two man booth you have a color guy and play by play. In a three man booth, what is the third guy's role exactly? There isn't much of a place for him to fit in. Does he play heel, does he play face? It's just an awkward situation. In WCW it worked. Shiavonie was the Play by Play, Heenan was color, Tenay was the technical analyist and historian (especially during the Cruiserweight matches) Personally I thought Tenay added nothing and just piggybacked off of what Shiavone would say since they were both face announcers. He wasn't necessary at all in adding anything to the broadcast. The only time he was even remotely useful was during cruiserweight matches and that was maybe 1-2 matches per show. Remove Tenay and nothing would have changed. He was Shiavone-light with Lucha knowledge.
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Post by -Lithium- on Sept 18, 2012 0:21:27 GMT -5
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Post by khali on Sept 18, 2012 0:32:28 GMT -5
Yep, that match is one of his best calls ever. He was fantastic at Mania this year as well. Sometimes he just gets lost in the shuffle in a three man team, especially with JBL, who can tend to dominate the commentary. But JR has still delivered in the big matches.
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Post by Some Guy on Sept 18, 2012 0:34:58 GMT -5
And Ryder sucked during his US title run, he lost almost every match when he was champion. And he's a sub-par in-ring worker. So I don't see how Ross was wrong in what he said. He won every match except for the title match with Swagger, so this is confusing.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Sept 18, 2012 0:37:21 GMT -5
Really? His work on FCW/NXT with Regal more than proves he still got it. Being the 3rd wheel just doesn't suit him. Agreed. JBL probably just kept calling him gay during the commercial breaks, or something.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2012 0:37:26 GMT -5
Bringing JR on for the big match etc on PPV is good. Having him commentate entire programs, not so much.
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Post by celticjobber on Sept 18, 2012 0:38:24 GMT -5
And Ryder sucked during his US title run, he lost almost every match when he was champion. And he's a sub-par in-ring worker. So I don't see how Ross was wrong in what he said. He won every match except for the title match with Swagger, so this is confusing. Wow, I guess I remembered it wrong. But he's been used as a jobber for most of the time before and since then (up until the last couple of weeks).
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Post by blues on Sept 18, 2012 1:14:03 GMT -5
JBL was awesome tho
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Post by Error on Sept 18, 2012 1:18:37 GMT -5
And Ryder sucked during his US title run, he lost almost every match when he was champion. And he's a sub-par in-ring worker. So I don't see how Ross was wrong in what he said. He won every match except for the title match with Swagger, so this is confusing. Yeah, really from TLC until Wrestlemania he was one of the stronger booked guys in the ring, I think only losing to top guys and Swagger and the Swagger loss was thanks to a broken back from Kane and 4 power bombs from Swagger.
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Post by corndog on Sept 18, 2012 1:38:19 GMT -5
Ross is the best wrestling announcers who's ever lived. And he's still got for sure. But he's better off in a 2-man commentary team with a color commentator. Not as part of a 3-man group, especially with Cole and JBL. And Ryder sucked during his US title run, he lost almost every match when he was champion. And he's a sub-par in-ring worker. So I don't see how Ross was wrong in what he said. If anything it was a very smart thing to say, especially with the slide Ryder has been on since losing his title. Instead of thinking this is the best Ryder will be, you could look at as he is still young and developing.
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Post by Andy Martin on Sept 18, 2012 1:42:03 GMT -5
I didn't enjoy him last night. I also didn't enjoy JBL either(especially compared to the PPV)
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Post by Kev The Omniscient on Sept 18, 2012 2:00:39 GMT -5
I didn't enjoy him last night. I also didn't enjoy JBL either(especially compared to the PPV) Agreed. JBL was good at NOC but, on RAW, he wouldn't let topics die and at times just completely steamrolled over Cole and JR. He kept going on about the big words thing during Sandow's match. But, I'm just going to give everyone out there the benefit of the doubt for any flubs or missteps on commentary, nothing said was terrible and it was only a one week situation. To add to the three man commentary team discussion, they do seem to make it hard for everybody to get equal word in on a given topic. Like, say, Cole will say something and then direct a question to JR. Cole says something else and directs a question at JBL. It just seems too planned and processed. It is much easier to make sound smooth with a two man booth. Three guys out there also lead to some awkward situations, like JR apologizing to Cole when he got completely cut off by JBL at one point.
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Post by flatsdomino on Sept 18, 2012 3:00:28 GMT -5
Add me onto those who feel him being on a three-man team messes with his style. It felt awkward tonight listening to him get the occasional word in between JBL and Cole's dynamic. But, I feel if they stick with it for a couple of weeks, once he finds a groove (he should be what Tenay was to the WCW three-man team), JR/Cole/JBL could be one of the best commentary teams we've seen in a while. His commentary on NXT is fantastic, so he still has it, but the pairings and situations they've had him in have just been awkward fits. He called the s*** out of 'Taker/HHH at 'Mania.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2012 3:22:24 GMT -5
It really felt like he wasn't used to his regular style. He had to find a way in so really it's the 3-man thing. Nothing against him but yeah the pairings.
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Post by Ryanar on Sept 18, 2012 3:22:57 GMT -5
J.R. is a great announcer its just that J.R. is best used with King, or Regal, where he won't be brutalized on commentary for his mistakes or "Captain Obvious" moments. And that's one of the things i don't like about the modern era of announcers (Striker, Matthews, JBL and Cole to be exact) When someone makes a mistake or an awkward comment first they correct it which is fine, but then they go out and pounce on the guy and make a fool outta them for no reason. Cole did it to Booker constantly, and it made for the most awkward moments in commentary history. When someone makes the weird comments that nearly kills the flow, its the other commentators job to prevent that from happening. Not to over exaggerate the comment or to act like an ass.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Sept 18, 2012 3:43:57 GMT -5
I don't think it's the three man booth, it's that Cole was PBP, JBL was color, and JR was just "other commentator." If he was color or PBP it'd be different.
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