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Post by rzombie1988 on Oct 20, 2012 11:32:28 GMT -5
Please don't turn this into a "racism against black people thing". WWE has a habit of not having it's best developmental divas wrestle. The worst was Angela Fong who I seriously think could have been the best diva they ever produced. WWE's divas division is really quite busy now and I think they got enough on their plate. They are working the "Who attacked Kaitlyn?" storyline on almost every show and really doing a jam up job of it. I'm not turning into anything. If Naomi looked like Summer Rae she'd be running the ropes. And I'm not gonna argue about it because I firmly believe this to be the case. You believe otherwise, fine. I don't agree. I don't think it's so much of a racism issue as a not knowing how to/or feel comfortable writing for people that look different, particularly in the women's division which is 98% about the way you look and has been for the past ten years. What about Layla though? She's obviously not white and blonde and she's probably the biggest focus right now with Eve.
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Post by theryno665 on Oct 20, 2012 12:09:25 GMT -5
I'm not turning into anything. If Naomi looked like Summer Rae she'd be running the ropes. And I'm not gonna argue about it because I firmly believe this to be the case. If Naomi looked like Kelly Kelly, she'd be incapable of running the ropes. Yeah, she's gone but I'm still gonna make that joke.
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Post by PKO on Oct 20, 2012 12:10:41 GMT -5
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Post by Lila on Oct 20, 2012 14:23:53 GMT -5
Oops, didn't mean to start a racism row! Vince knows what's up. I bet he's experienced Jungle Fever back in the day.
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Post by norsisclouds on Oct 20, 2012 14:41:57 GMT -5
I'm not turning into anything. If Naomi looked like Summer Rae she'd be running the ropes. And I'm not gonna argue about it because I firmly believe this to be the case. You believe otherwise, fine. I don't agree. I don't think it's so much of a racism issue as a not knowing how to/or feel comfortable writing for people that look different, particularly in the women's division which is 98% about the way you look and has been for the past ten years. What about Layla though? She's obviously not white and blonde and she's probably the biggest focus right now with Eve. While Layla may be a Brit of North African descent, her facial features and skin tone are not immediately identifiable as Afrocentric. I've seen plenty of people not even realize that she is a person of color just by looking at her. Colorism is a big thing in the black community, especially for females. There's a reason why if you watch a soap opera or any type of drama with prominent black female role they tend to be light skinned, have smaller noses, long straight hair and more typical anglo body-type/facial features. I'm not mentioning any of this to bash Layla, she's beautiful and talented. However, I think it would be naive to ignore the way that appearance plays into the divas division. It always has. Trish Stratus talked a lot about how sex appeal and beauty was a big part of her success in women's wrestling and was an important focal point. Of course she would, because she really benefited from that dynamic...a woman like Jazz or Jacqueline or Shaniqua, who routinely got the bruiser/mean heel beating up the pretty girl role that's another story. I'm not making a judgement about whether any of this is negative or positive, I mean, it's just the way it is. Obviously there should be role diversity, you respond to what you think the audience wants to see and what you believe they will respond best to...there are roles for women in wrestling of many different appearances and body types. Kharma and Bull Nakano's success really demonstrated this, but I kind of have to shrug and say whatever to it, because of course the instinct is not immediately going to be "Let's portray x person as the star of the division" when they don't appear to fit that traditional role. It took WWE a long time to get away from the blond female stereotype as their heroine of the women's division. They still haven't quite divorced themselves from that, but they are obviously trying. The roster is incredibly diverse and they do try to find roles for everyone. Naomi's role just happens to be sidekick dancer, and like I said before I think that boils down to them not knowing how to write for women, not knowing quite what to do with minorities because they aren't sure of how the audience perceives them, and just generally being completely at a loss for what to do with their women's division. And I wasn't trying to start a race war in this thread, I'm aware it's really more for posting photos so I'll leave my piece at that. I just think appearance isn't something you can easily dismiss for trying to figure out why the women get the roles that they do on the show. There's been an obvious preference for certain looks among the female talent that influences how they get treated, how long they remain employed, and how prominent they become on the roster.
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Post by frogsplash45 on Oct 20, 2012 15:58:21 GMT -5
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Post by gl83 on Oct 20, 2012 16:01:48 GMT -5
Eve, what you do during your free time is your own business, there's no need to show the whole world what you do in your private life on WWE.com.
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Post by lovingway on Oct 20, 2012 16:31:16 GMT -5
Eve and an opponent with white pants doesn't end up being pretty
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Post by Sam Punk on Oct 20, 2012 17:03:05 GMT -5
I'm not turning into anything. If Naomi looked like Summer Rae she'd be running the ropes. And I'm not gonna argue about it because I firmly believe this to be the case. You believe otherwise, fine. I don't agree. I don't think it's so much of a racism issue as a not knowing how to/or feel comfortable writing for people that look different, particularly in the women's division which is 98% about the way you look and has been for the past ten years. What about Layla though? She's obviously not white and blonde and she's probably the biggest focus right now with Eve. Agreed. As a minority myself (1/32 Cherokee) I don't see this as an issue.
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Oct 20, 2012 17:42:44 GMT -5
I hate to say it, but I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say its because the Powers that Be don't think she's cute enough. If she looked like Summer Rae, I bet you she'd be out there running the ropes. I also think WWE struggles with what to do with black athletes if they don't look like power houses. Most everyone gets relegated to a dancing role or a stereotype. That's why we have Naomi the Funkadactyl and not Naomi, the wrestler who worked hard on NXT and is challenging for the title, because she was over on NXT and she could wrestle. Please don't turn this into a "racism against black people thing". WWE has a habit of not having it's best developmental divas wrestle. The worst was Angela Fong who I seriously think could have been the best diva they ever produced. Oh, I don't think it's a "against black wrestlers" thing. But your Angela Fong example shows that there is a bias towards white women. Namely the stereotypical blonde bombshell.
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Post by frogsplash45 on Oct 20, 2012 17:49:47 GMT -5
Eve, what you do during your free time is your own business, there's no need to show the whole world what you do in your private life on WWE.com.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Oct 20, 2012 21:00:47 GMT -5
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Post by worldsstrongestman on Oct 20, 2012 21:20:26 GMT -5
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Oct 20, 2012 23:04:24 GMT -5
Please don't turn this into a "racism against black people thing". WWE has a habit of not having it's best developmental divas wrestle. The worst was Angela Fong who I seriously think could have been the best diva they ever produced. Oh, I don't think it's a "against black wrestlers" thing. But your Angela Fong example shows that there is a bias towards white women. Namely the stereotypical blonde bombshell. Bolded for emphasis. As Serena and Molly Holly show, it's not so much about race as it is a very specific Diva archetype; blonde, buxom, and considered attractive, i.e. Sunny/Blayze/Sable/Stratus. Melina, Mickie James, and Lita are about the only Divas I can think of who became major faces in the Divas division without fitting into said archetype and one of them had to go through tables while another spent most of her WrestleMania debut getting to second base with her opponent.
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Post by BigBadZ on Oct 21, 2012 0:37:21 GMT -5
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Oct 21, 2012 0:56:37 GMT -5
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Post by worldsstrongestman on Oct 21, 2012 2:02:09 GMT -5
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Oct 21, 2012 2:12:55 GMT -5
You can almost hear Rener Gracie thinking "Oh yeah, be jealous."
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Post by Yami Daimao on Oct 21, 2012 5:20:06 GMT -5
See? Much better without the thousands of layers of airbrushing. And DEM LEGS.
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Post by Ryanar on Oct 21, 2012 6:11:34 GMT -5
Thank you, Now i dont feel bad about Miz losing his IC Title anymore.
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