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Laycool
Oct 15, 2012 21:20:18 GMT -5
Post by deadstock on Oct 15, 2012 21:20:18 GMT -5
Will be in the Hof one day there good separately but together it was great. cant see why they wouldn't.
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Laycool
Oct 15, 2012 21:45:16 GMT -5
Post by hughgrection on Oct 15, 2012 21:45:16 GMT -5
Real Talk.
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Oct 15, 2012 21:46:20 GMT -5
Post by worldsstrongestman on Oct 15, 2012 21:46:20 GMT -5
Kaval should induct them.
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Oct 15, 2012 21:59:51 GMT -5
Post by "I'm Batman..." on Oct 15, 2012 21:59:51 GMT -5
Laycool was so hot.
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Oct 16, 2012 6:35:22 GMT -5
Post by RedDevil on Oct 16, 2012 6:35:22 GMT -5
At the time I was hardly watching (only the return of Bret Hart brought me back after having stopped following WWE since 2004-ish) but I've watched a lot of their stuff online since then, and I absolutely love them It seems unusual for divas to be given so much stuff to work with, and they both seemed to run with it brilliantly from what I've seen. I can see if some people couldn't stand them, but I think they were very entertaining, which apparently is the name of the game.
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Laycool
Oct 16, 2012 7:17:43 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2012 7:17:43 GMT -5
No, no they won't.
They mark the complete collapse of the Women's Division when WWE decided to shift from their popular divas who consistently had good matches in favor of a woman who barely got over despite the fact they pushed her to the moon and gave her more TV time combined than all of her contemporaries (not counting Layla).
Saying they were good would be like living on an island by yourself where your only food was poi, and reaching the conclusion that "Gee, this poi is amazing!" when you've not had anything else to eat for years. It may very well be amazing, but since you only eat poi and the only other option is starvation, the statement is not exactly established in a stable context.
Imagine if they had given Melina or Natalya that kind of presentation. I'd say Mickie James but she had a big angle in 05/06 and it certainly got her over huge. Michelle got a much more sustained push at the expense of everyone else and it didn't hardly do anything for her.
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Oct 16, 2012 7:21:58 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2012 7:21:58 GMT -5
Sure they'll be in the HOF. Right after Mike Knox's induction.
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Oct 16, 2012 8:19:05 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2012 8:19:05 GMT -5
No, no they won't. They mark the complete collapse of the Women's Division when WWE decided to shift from their popular divas who consistently had good matches in favor of a woman who barely got over despite the fact they pushed her to the moon and gave her more TV time combined than all of her contemporaries (not counting Layla). Saying they were good would be like living on an island by yourself where your only food was poi, and reaching the conclusion that "Gee, this poi is amazing!" when you've not had anything else to eat for years. It may very well be amazing, but since you only eat poi and the only other option is starvation, the statement is not exactly established in a stable context. Imagine if they had given Melina or Natalya that kind of presentation. I'd say Mickie James but she had a big angle in 05/06 and it certainly got her over huge. Michelle got a much more sustained push at the expense of everyone else and it didn't hardly do anything for her. Damn, I thought that I really enjoyed LayCool, but it turns out it was only because women I didn't care about weren't getting the same TV time.
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Oct 16, 2012 9:37:08 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2012 9:37:08 GMT -5
No, no they won't. They mark the complete collapse of the Women's Division when WWE decided to shift from their popular divas who consistently had good matches in favor of a woman who barely got over despite the fact they pushed her to the moon and gave her more TV time combined than all of her contemporaries (not counting Layla). Saying they were good would be like living on an island by yourself where your only food was poi, and reaching the conclusion that "Gee, this poi is amazing!" when you've not had anything else to eat for years. It may very well be amazing, but since you only eat poi and the only other option is starvation, the statement is not exactly established in a stable context. Imagine if they had given Melina or Natalya that kind of presentation. I'd say Mickie James but she had a big angle in 05/06 and it certainly got her over huge. Michelle got a much more sustained push at the expense of everyone else and it didn't hardly do anything for her. Damn, I thought that I really enjoyed LayCool, but it turns out it was only because women I didn't care about weren't getting the same TV time. Thank you for completely missing one of the caveats of my analogy. I'll repeat: "It may very well be amazing." I'm not saying they automatically sucked or that no one could enjoy them, but other girls didn't get a fair shake, and the crowds were by and large apathetic to the duo of endless exposure. Someone else would've been a better decision from a booking standpoint.
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Laycool
Oct 16, 2012 9:48:11 GMT -5
Post by unoriginalalex on Oct 16, 2012 9:48:11 GMT -5
I loved laycool and I miss them as a team, but more importantly I miss women getting focus and angles on WWE tv, which we havent really gotten since Michelle left.
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Oct 16, 2012 9:59:03 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2012 9:59:03 GMT -5
Damn, I thought that I really enjoyed LayCool, but it turns out it was only because women I didn't care about weren't getting the same TV time. Thank you for completely missing one of the caveats of my analogy. I'll repeat: "It may very well be amazing." I'm not saying they automatically sucked or that no one could enjoy them, but other girls didn't get a fair shake, and the crowds were by and large apathetic to the duo of endless exposure. Someone else would've been a better decision from a booking standpoint. It's a good thing I'm not arguing that you said that they sucked or that no one could enjoy them. I'm arguing against your statement about why someone would enjoy them. Specifically, I'm arguing against this: "Saying they were good would be like living on an island by yourself where your only food was poi, and reaching the conclusion that "Gee, this poi is amazing!" when you've not had anything else to eat for years." Your caveat is about whether or not someone could enjoy them, not about why someone would. The reasons I liked LayCool had nothing to do with them being the only consistent presence in the women's division.
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Oct 16, 2012 10:42:06 GMT -5
Post by norsisclouds on Oct 16, 2012 10:42:06 GMT -5
No, no they won't. They mark the complete collapse of the Women's Division when WWE decided to shift from their popular divas who consistently had good matches in favor of a woman who barely got over despite the fact they pushed her to the moon and gave her more TV time combined than all of her contemporaries (not counting Layla). Saying they were good would be like living on an island by yourself where your only food was poi, and reaching the conclusion that "Gee, this poi is amazing!" when you've not had anything else to eat for years. It may very well be amazing, but since you only eat poi and the only other option is starvation, the statement is not exactly established in a stable context. Imagine if they had given Melina or Natalya that kind of presentation. I'd say Mickie James but she had a big angle in 05/06 and it certainly got her over huge. Michelle got a much more sustained push at the expense of everyone else and it didn't hardly do anything for her. But that's exactly why they will be in the HOF. They even gave them a spot on the Greatest Tag Team list of all time, which was laughable. With the HOF it doesn't always matter who made the most money or was the most over, what WWE wants you to remember about their product matters. It's the same reason why they say that Trish had more title reigns than Moolah, or ignored Alundra Blayze/Madusa for years.
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Laycool
Oct 16, 2012 10:45:20 GMT -5
Post by PKO on Oct 16, 2012 10:45:20 GMT -5
If Michelle stays married to Taker they'll get a spot. Michelle will probably be the first woman inducted twice.
If they get divorced Laycool will get nothing.
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Oct 16, 2012 10:51:45 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2012 10:51:45 GMT -5
Thank you for completely missing one of the caveats of my analogy. I'll repeat: "It may very well be amazing." I'm not saying they automatically sucked or that no one could enjoy them, but other girls didn't get a fair shake, and the crowds were by and large apathetic to the duo of endless exposure. Someone else would've been a better decision from a booking standpoint. It's a good thing I'm not arguing that you said that they sucked or that no one could enjoy them. I'm arguing against your statement about why someone would enjoy them. Specifically, I'm arguing against this: "Saying they were good would be like living on an island by yourself where your only food was poi, and reaching the conclusion that "Gee, this poi is amazing!" when you've not had anything else to eat for years." Your caveat is about whether or not someone could enjoy them, not about why someone would. The reasons I liked LayCool had nothing to do with them being the only consistent presence in the women's division. So why did you like them then? No really, serious question. What was it that they brought to the table that other wrestlers couldn't, that made you like them to such an extent? I'm just skeptical about the merits about your last sentence because they were always a consistent presence in the women's division, and that was at the core of their characters. That was how they got exposure. That was how they were able to play characters (which other women were not). It's a variable that is not easily removed from analyzing them as characters. No, you may not like them because they were consistently pushed, but that heavily affected everything about what they did.
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Laycool
Oct 16, 2012 11:02:01 GMT -5
Post by norsisclouds on Oct 16, 2012 11:02:01 GMT -5
If Michelle stays married to Taker they'll get a spot. Michelle will probably be the first woman inducted twice. If they get divorced Laycool will get nothing. Pretty much. Many of those who watched at the time and remember the stagnant crowd reactions, the constant complaining when they came out every week, the Go Away heat, the inconsistency of Michelle's ring work, the very overness of their contemporaries like Mickie and Melina in comparison, the budding starpower in Natalya that was quickly cut short, etc... It ticked a lot of people off who couldn't understand why equal or superior ring workers with greater charisma who were more over were not getting ring time. The final straw of unifying the Diva's title with the Women's championship with Melina (Women's Champ) vs Michelle (who wasn't even the TITLE HOLDER, Layla was) so she could get another record breaking notch in her belt was just the worse. In retrospect with nothing going on in the division I think they look like gold, but at the time it was just terrible and the booking was so transparent. Michelle even talked about there being animosity from fans or backstage because she kept getting brought back to RAW to do segments when Gail, Mickie and Melina wanted that screen time. I'm sure that the other ladies had ideas for what they'd want to do if Creative could be bothered to acknowledge them, but it was always the Undertaker's wife over and over, and as soon as she left they started having 1 minute matches. It was obvious that they only took notice of the division because his wife was there...and I do think Michelle was talented, but it was obvious preferential treatment.
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Laycool
Oct 16, 2012 11:59:04 GMT -5
Post by Squirrel Master on Oct 16, 2012 11:59:04 GMT -5
Two super hot babes, yes. HOF worthy? Not.
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Laycool
Oct 16, 2012 12:08:07 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2012 12:08:07 GMT -5
It's a good thing I'm not arguing that you said that they sucked or that no one could enjoy them. I'm arguing against your statement about why someone would enjoy them. Specifically, I'm arguing against this: "Saying they were good would be like living on an island by yourself where your only food was poi, and reaching the conclusion that "Gee, this poi is amazing!" when you've not had anything else to eat for years." Your caveat is about whether or not someone could enjoy them, not about why someone would. The reasons I liked LayCool had nothing to do with them being the only consistent presence in the women's division. So why did you like them then? No really, serious question. What was it that they brought to the table that other wrestlers couldn't, that made you like them to such an extent? I'm just skeptical about the merits about your last sentence because they were always a consistent presence in the women's division, and that was at the core of their characters. That was how they got exposure. That was how they were able to play characters (which other women were not). It's a variable that is not easily removed from analyzing them as characters. No, you may not like them because they were consistently pushed, but that heavily affected everything about what they did. I liked both Michelle and Layla before they joined up and became the focus, for one thing. I found both of them to be enjoyable in the ring, and where Michelle was pretty dry and monotonous on the mic, I thought it worked well when paired up with Layla's goofy reactions to everything. It wasn't always good - that one time where they commentated a match they were in was pretty terrible, and I hated how Michelle unified the two titles despite Layla being the Women's champion. But overall I found them to be amusing, which is a big part of why I like most wrestlers.
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Laycool
Oct 16, 2012 18:18:36 GMT -5
Post by Dat Dude on Oct 16, 2012 18:18:36 GMT -5
If Michelle stays married to Taker they'll get a spot. Michelle will probably be the first woman inducted twice. If they get divorced Laycool will get nothing. Pretty much. Many of those who watched at the time and remember the stagnant crowd reactions, the constant complaining when they came out every week, the Go Away heat, the inconsistency of Michelle's ring work, the very overness of their contemporaries like Mickie and Melina in comparison, the budding starpower in Natalya that was quickly cut short, etc... It ticked a lot of people off who couldn't understand why equal or superior ring workers with greater charisma who were more over were not getting ring time. The final straw of unifying the Diva's title with the Women's championship with Melina (Women's Champ) vs Michelle (who wasn't even the TITLE HOLDER, Layla was) so she could get another record breaking notch in her belt was just the worse. In retrospect with nothing going on in the division I think they look like gold, but at the time it was just terrible and the booking was so transparent. Michelle even talked about there being animosity from fans or backstage because she kept getting brought back to RAW to do segments when Gail, Mickie and Melina wanted that screen time. I'm sure that the other ladies had ideas for what they'd want to do if Creative could be bothered to acknowledge them, but it was always the Undertaker's wife over and over, and as soon as she left they started having 1 minute matches. It was obvious that they only took notice of the division because his wife was there...and I do think Michelle was talented, but it was obvious preferential treatment. Damn, that post was so righteous that norsisclouds was like Dylan:
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Laycool
Oct 16, 2012 18:21:52 GMT -5
Post by celticjobber on Oct 16, 2012 18:21:52 GMT -5
Michelle McCool will almost certainly go into the HoF unless Taker dumps her and re-marries before that point. Layla, I wouldn't be so sure about.
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Oct 16, 2012 21:01:29 GMT -5
Post by RedDevil on Oct 16, 2012 21:01:29 GMT -5
I do think if McCool goes in (which I agree that would be Undertaker-related most probably) then I think they'd make it a Laycool induction with Layla. They were together for quite a while, and as long as Layla doesn't end-up with burnt bridges, then she has been with the company a very long time - certainly by diva standards - so if one were to be considered for induction then I could see them going together.
That said I can't see either going in; certainly not for a long time anyway.
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