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Post by BorneAgain on Jan 24, 2012 12:50:22 GMT -5
He can't really be overtly blamed here. Mr. Excitement made the match, Kane's targeting John (and by extension Ryder) because he's an insane psychopath who wants to make everyone as insane as he is. Cena even offered to help Ryder in the match, but Zack turned him down in order to get another US title bout, you know the belt that Cena helped him compete for by giving up his own WWE title match opportunity at TLC?
If they continue this route with Eve and possibly other babyfaces blaming Cena, to me they're just going to look like illogical idiots.
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Post by FUNK_US/BRODUS on Jan 24, 2012 12:50:53 GMT -5
Eve is such a typical smark. Everything is Cena's fault.
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Post by The Ichi on Jan 24, 2012 12:55:31 GMT -5
In a way she is. Cena beat the crap out of Swagger for the sole crime of winning a match against Zack Ryder. That's what prompted Johnny Ace to punish him by booking his friend against the psychopath.
I mean, most of the blame goes to Ace for being such a dick of a boss, but if Cena hadn't snapped this may not have happened.
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Post by wwefan71080 on Jan 24, 2012 13:12:29 GMT -5
In a way she is. Cena beat the crap out of Swagger for the sole crime of winning a match against Zack Ryder. That's what prompted Johnny Ace to punish him by booking his friend against the psychopath. I mean, most of the blame goes to Ace for being such a dick of a boss, but if Cena hadn't snapped this may not have happened. I think in Triple H's (evaluation) of John Laurinaitis is going to mention this that by putting Zack Ryder in that match, he ended up with a (broken) back
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Post by Heel on Jan 24, 2012 13:14:49 GMT -5
It was Ryder's own fault because he exists. The guy who closed the ambulance door was the best actor in that segment. Ryder was a close second. Lol.
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Post by ASYLUMHAUSEN on Jan 24, 2012 13:16:18 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2012 13:20:18 GMT -5
I actually marked so hard for this.It reminded me of Anakin in Episode 3. Also, it's not "really" Cena's fault, but between the fans booing him, Kane messing with him, his friend getting hurt and possibly hating him now, Eve blaming him, and then Josh Matthews blaming him, it's pushing him to the brink. And I'm glad, I hope it leads to himtearing The Rock apart.
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Post by Mr. Socko's Brother on Jan 24, 2012 13:22:34 GMT -5
Eve is such a typical smark. Everything is Cena's fault. You think we're gonna see another "straw smark" character or characters, like when Miz tried to feud with Cena while parroting things smarks said and got his ass kicked?
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Post by FUNK_US/BRODUS on Jan 24, 2012 13:28:43 GMT -5
Eve is such a typical smark. Everything is Cena's fault. You think we're gonna see another "straw smark" character or characters, like when Miz tried to feud with Cena while parroting things smarks said and got his ass kicked? If this ends in Cena kicking the crap out of Eve then its a pretty effective heel turn.
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Post by Brother Nero....Wolfe on Jan 24, 2012 13:29:54 GMT -5
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Jan 24, 2012 13:40:58 GMT -5
Eve blaming Cena is like blaming a rape victim because her friend was wearing a short skirt and spurning the advances of the rapist earlier. She was asking for it by being associated with someone that got a psycho mad
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Post by Rolent Tex on Jan 24, 2012 13:43:20 GMT -5
Of course Cena is to blame. Cena's a dick. He and Kane are in cahoots and I see right through their charade. Ryder was getting too popular for Cena's liking and he made deal with a returning Kane to take him out. Cena helps out the first couple times looking like the good guy, but then he oh so conveniently isn't there the last couple times letting Kane murder him dead. No Ryder...Cena banishes the monster...everyone loves Cena again.
I see right through your ruse Cena. Dick.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jan 24, 2012 13:46:09 GMT -5
Eve blaming Cena is like blaming a rape victim because her friend was wearing a short skirt and spurning the advances of the rapist earlier. She was asking for it by being associated with someone that got a psycho mad It's a little more complex than that. Maybe if the rapist (Kane) was a mafia goon, and the friend beat the holy hell out of the mafia capo (Mr. Excitement)'s half-retarded nephew (Swagger) first without provocation.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Jan 24, 2012 13:47:15 GMT -5
Eve blaming Cena is like blaming a rape victim because her friend was wearing a short skirt and spurning the advances of the rapist earlier. She was asking for it by being associated with someone that got a psycho mad It's a little more complex than that. Maybe if the rapist (Kane) was a mafia goon, and the friend beat the holy hell out of the mafia capo (Mr. Excitement)'s half-retarded nephew (Swagger) first without provocation. Yeah but Kane attacked Ryder before that so he was going to attack again.
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Jan 24, 2012 13:49:39 GMT -5
If they continue this route with Eve and possibly other babyfaces blaming Cena, to me they're just going to look like illogical idiots. I don't think it's illogical in her case. She's angry and she needs someone to lash out against; Cena was there, Cena could have done something about it (although he didn't because Ryder explicitly told him not to), so she blames him. Much like Ryder getting upset at Cena because he lost a US title shot because Cena beat him; I doubt he went into that match expecting Cena to lie down, but he was angry and needed someone to blame.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jan 24, 2012 13:49:46 GMT -5
It also occurs to me, for a guy whose supposed to be a jerk jock heel, Swagger seems to get picked on an awful lot by the faces, over the years.
He's actually kind of sympathetic.
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Post by BorneAgain on Jan 24, 2012 13:54:12 GMT -5
If they continue this route with Eve and possibly other babyfaces blaming Cena, to me they're just going to look like illogical idiots. I don't think it's illogical in her case. She's angry and she needs someone to lash out against; Cena was there, Cena could have done something about it (although he didn't because Ryder explicitly told him not to), so she blames him. Much like Ryder getting upset at Cena because he lost a US title shot because Cena beat him; I doubt he went into that match expecting Cena to lie down, but he was angry and needed someone to blame. That's why I said, if they continue with it. In the heat of the moment, yeah it makes sense for Eve (or at the time Ryder) to lash out against the likes of Cena. Its an understandable human reaction. But if after a week she's still doing this, well it makes her look a bit silly.
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Post by Mr. Socko's Brother on Jan 24, 2012 14:02:57 GMT -5
You think we're gonna see another "straw smark" character or characters, like when Miz tried to feud with Cena while parroting things smarks said and got his ass kicked? If this ends in Cena kicking the crap out of Eve then its a pretty effective heel turn. Heh, so it would be, but I was thinking more like Eve is just made out to be a complete idiot. The message being that if a stupid character hates John Cena, then everybody who hates John Cena must be stupid.
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Jan 24, 2012 14:15:11 GMT -5
I don't think it's illogical in her case. She's angry and she needs someone to lash out against; Cena was there, Cena could have done something about it (although he didn't because Ryder explicitly told him not to), so she blames him. Much like Ryder getting upset at Cena because he lost a US title shot because Cena beat him; I doubt he went into that match expecting Cena to lie down, but he was angry and needed someone to blame. That's why I said, if they continue with it. In the heat of the moment, yeah it makes sense for Eve (or at the time Ryder) to lash out against the likes of Cena. Its an understandable human reaction. But if after a week she's still doing this, well it makes her look a bit silly. Definitely agree with you on that. Eve being angry with him at the moment (or even for a while afterwards) makes sense in the context that she needs someone to blame, partially because she probably also blames herself. But if this becomes one of those "everyone doubts John Cena" angles, I'll have to say the nay-no; I hate angles like those, especially when it makes everyone involved look like a bunch of goobers who can't see the forest for the trees.
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Post by sunnytaker on Jan 24, 2012 14:59:04 GMT -5
maybe Eve realized that since the Kane/Ryder match never officially ended that cena's coming out to "help" him before the match was over means Ryder will never get another US Title shot again per the stipulation and that he got hospitalized for nothing all because cena couldn't stay in the back.
yeah that's all i got.
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