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Post by moneyman20 on Jan 5, 2012 0:11:26 GMT -5
Just like TNA, the WWE has a build in audience. It can either stay the same, or it will drop a point or 2 week to week. People who aren't fans aren't just going to magically tune in because Punk vs. Ziggler is a main event for the title. Nothing, nobody is a draw anymore. They simply watch the WWE because it's the WWE. Nexus didn't draw, Cena as champ/not champ won't draw, Punk as champ didn't draw, adding Smackdown to Raw didn't draw, McMahon giving away free money on TV didn't draw. Get the picture? What they should care about is making sure Raw is sold out every week, which it isn't, and why 4 million households watch Raw yet only 60,000 order the PPV. Careful dude, that kind of logic and reason could kill this whole board. Or at least lesson the number of threads made.
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Post by Steveweiser on Jan 5, 2012 8:36:19 GMT -5
Jericho's segment lost 8,000 viewers, according to Dave Meltzer.
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Post by Urethra Franklin on Jan 5, 2012 8:43:59 GMT -5
Just like TNA, the WWE has a build in audience. It can either stay the same, or it will drop a point or 2 week to week. People who aren't fans aren't just going to magically tune in because Punk vs. Ziggler is a main event for the title. Nothing, nobody is a draw anymore. They simply watch the WWE because it's the WWE. Nexus didn't draw, Cena as champ/not champ won't draw, Punk as champ didn't draw, adding Smackdown to Raw didn't draw, McMahon giving away free money on TV didn't draw. Get the picture? What they should care about is making sure Raw is sold out every week, which it isn't, and why 4 million households watch Raw yet only 60,000 order the PPV. You're right on the money. The only draw out there who could not only pop a rating, but might be able to sustain it (at least in the short term, but from there, who knows?) is Brock Lesnar. He's now a mainstream sports figure.
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Post by GuyOfOwnage on Jan 5, 2012 18:03:52 GMT -5
Jericho's segment lost 8,000 viewers, according to Dave Meltzer. That doesn't exactly surprise me. Some people were bound to be pissed off with all that build going towards Jericho running around and smiling for 10 minutes. Mind you, I think it's going somewhere, but some people aren't that patient.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Jan 5, 2012 18:14:16 GMT -5
Jericho's segment lost 8,000 viewers, according to Dave Meltzer. The Bella Twins are a tough act to follow.
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Post by Brother Nero....Wolfe on Jan 5, 2012 18:18:30 GMT -5
Jericho's segment lost 8,000 viewers, according to Dave Meltzer. That doesn't exactly surprise me. Some people were bound to be pissed off with all that build going towards Jericho running around and smiling for 10 minutes. Mind you, I think it's going somewhere, but some people aren't that patient. It's an interesting thing about wrestling. In normal tv shows, villains act in a way that the viewer is clearly able to label them as "wrong" but still find them interesting. For example, Moriarty in the new BBC Sherlock series is very, very evil but he's entertaining as hell. You want to see him lose, but you also like seeing him talk and be evil. In wrestling villains can't be interesting or else they have "failed as heels." They need to completely fail to entertain the audience(or close to it) to be considered good heels. And that's...boring. I mean, when I watch TV, I want to be entertained. I don't want to watch something that will be entertaining one day. You can setup a character without boring your viewers, but wrestling refuses to do that because of how cheering/booing works. If the audience is enjoying a segment, they'll cheer. If they aren't, they'll boo. Heels want boos. While it's possible to get the audience to boo you while still being entertaining, it's very, very common nowadays for the WWE to just get people to honestly loathe when a character appears on screen. And that...is kind of boring. I know why it works the way it does, but I wish wrestling was more like regular tv shows and had entertaining villains. I mean, nowadays every time a heel begins to interest the audience(R-Truth) he gets turned face. And that's...well, you know. (I personally loved the Jericho segment, but this "wait and see" thing about wrestling always bugged me in that it was a very different kind of "wait and see" than other shows have)
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Jan 5, 2012 18:36:25 GMT -5
That doesn't exactly surprise me. Some people were bound to be pissed off with all that build going towards Jericho running around and smiling for 10 minutes. Mind you, I think it's going somewhere, but some people aren't that patient. It's an interesting thing about wrestling. In normal tv shows, villains act in a way that the viewer is clearly able to label them as "wrong" but still find them interesting. For example, Moriarty in the new BBC Sherlock series is very, very evil but he's entertaining as hell. You want to see him lose, but you also like seeing him talk and be evil. In wrestling villains can't be interesting or else they have "failed as heels." They need to completely fail to entertain the audience(or close to it) to be considered good heels. And that's...boring. I mean, when I watch TV, I want to be entertained. I don't want to watch something that will be entertaining one day. You can setup a character without boring your viewers, but wrestling refuses to do that because of how cheering/booing works. If the audience is enjoying a segment, they'll cheer. If they aren't, they'll boo. Heels want boos. While it's possible to get the audience to boo you while still being entertaining, it's very, very common nowadays for the WWE to just get people to honestly loathe when a character appears on screen. And that...is kind of boring. I know why it works the way it does, but I wish wrestling was more like regular tv shows and had entertaining villains. I mean, nowadays every time a heel begins to interest the audience(R-Truth) he gets turned face. And that's...well, you know. (I personally loved the Jericho segment, but this "wait and see" thing about wrestling always bugged me in that it was a very different kind of "wait and see" than other shows have) Agreed. The problem is that you have to strike a balance. You have to make the heel interesting, but without making them more likeable than the babyface. But you also can't just stick them in a suit and have him be mini Jerichos. All that does is make people want to see Jericho rather than the guys pretending to be him. Take a look at guys like Mark Henry, R-Truth, and Dolph Ziggler for example. All interesting characters who are heels, or were heels at one point. None of them right now act anything like the stereotypical heel archetype. And those three are considered the best heels right now. Then you have a guy like Alberto Del Rio. I can't remember the last time that guy really enthralled me during one of his segments. There's nothing wrong with him, I suppose, but his act is just incredibly stale. He's got nothing to separate him from the pack. Take away his destiny schtick and he's nothing more than a Mexican JBL. Or take The Miz. Don't get me wrong, I like The Miz, but the guy just hasn't been interesting at all lately. It doesn't help that he's been made to look like an utter coward. A coward beyond the level of most heels. Honestly Santino Marella when he was a heel comes off as more menacing then Miz has recently. And it's hard to care about someone when he has absolutely no credibility. Come to think of it I don't think he's been made to look like a threat in weeks. I think the main problem with heels nowadays is that they rarely allow them to maintain their heat. The closest I could think of is Kevin Nash of all people and people still didn't care about him even after he beat up Triple H. Why should we be invested in these heel characters when half of them don't even come off as a threat of any sort and the rest are barely a notch above that.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Jan 5, 2012 19:00:02 GMT -5
I mean, nowadays every time a heel begins to interest the audience(R-Truth) he gets turned face. They were doing the same thing in the New Generation, particularly '95. It's the pattern WWE/F falls into when they're desperate to hit another boom period; they get behind any guy who starts getting reactions as their potential big breakout star, with the result that none of these guys have any interesting opponents to define themselves against; the scant remaining main event heels are just the guys too mediocre to get over successfully. The only exceptions to this seem to be older veterans (Mark Henry, Kane, now possibly Jericho) who are too long in the tooth for WWE to invest in as marketable faces of the company.
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Post by primetime110 on Jan 6, 2012 16:00:31 GMT -5
No ratings breakdown by segment ? Thats 2 weeks in a row. Interested in seeing if certain trends are continuing.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2012 16:04:45 GMT -5
Honestly, way I see it, the idea of "working" people or trying to get them to cheer / boo certain people is completely archaic. Have them respond however the hell they want, and stop trying to veil everything. And people being more entertained is a hell of a lot more important than trying to get them to boo.
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Post by andrew8798 on Jan 6, 2012 16:05:25 GMT -5
No ratings breakdown by segment ? Thats 2 weeks in a row. Interested in seeing if certain trends are continuing. Last weeks Raw on 12/26 did a 2.93 rating and 4.47 million viewers. The rating was almost identical with the prior week but there were 180,000 more viewers on a night when overall television viewership was down 7.7%, although that’s misleading because all the networks were in reruns. The show was 6th for the night on cable. The Atlanta Falcons vs. New Orleans Saints game where Drew Brees set the all-time single season passing yardage record did a 10.60 rating and 15.64 million viewers. The big news is the curse of the second hour losing audience from the first hour ended. The reason is more that the first hour didn’t do well, then the second hour did well. In particular, Raw of late has been starting with a strong first quarter, but the C.M. Punk/John Laurinaitis first quarter did a only a 2.94, and the usual big drop didn’t happen. There were a significant amount of usual Raw viewers who either didn’t bother to watch the first quarter and turn it off like usual, or did watch it but turned it off in a minute. The show did a 2.3 in Males 12-17 (down 18% from last week), 2.6 in Males 18-49 (up 4%), 1.1 in Females 12-17 (up 38%) and 1.2 in Females 18-49 (down 8%). Male viewership was 67.1% of total viewers. In the segment-by-segment, Booker T vs. Cody Rhodes lost 149,000 viewers. Backstage stuff with John Cena and Zack Ryder, Big Show and Kelly Kelly, Laurinaitis, Show and David Otunga and Jack Swagger, Dolph Ziggler, Vickie Guerrero and Mark Henry gained 78,000 viewers. Ryder & Eve Torres vs. Tyson Kidd & Natalya and a Cena interview lost 67,000 viewers. Cena vs. The Miz and post-match R-Truth attack gained 325,000 viewers, which is below usual but better than in some recent weeks. Big Show vs. David Otunga with one hand tied behind his back and an Alberto Del Rio interview with the Bellas gained 34,000 viewers. Punk vs. Swagger lost 367,000 viewers. Punk vs. Ziggler gained 172,000 viewers to a 2.91 main event average. The Cena/Kane overrun gained 543,000 viewers to a do a 3.26. As far as the demo changes with Cena and Kane out last, Male teens went from 2.8 to 3.1, Men 18-49 went from 2.8 to 3.2, Women teens went from 1.0 to 1.3 and Women 18-49 stayed at 1.0.
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Post by primetime110 on Jan 6, 2012 16:14:08 GMT -5
Thanks Andrew.
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Post by 543Y2J on Jan 6, 2012 16:14:09 GMT -5
Jericho's segment lost 8,000 viewers, according to Dave Meltzer. That doesn't exactly surprise me. Some people were bound to be pissed off with all that build going towards Jericho running around and smiling for 10 minutes. Mind you, I think it's going somewhere, but some people aren't that patient. This, exactly this. I think its going to be a long build until we get the full payoff of the viral videos.
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