serious thought on Coles commentary (no trolling)

[Juice]

So it didn't take long for people to be turned off by coles heel commentary. I for one have never hated it. I really enjoy it. I love the over the top stuff and that he was involved in angles and had a match at mania. It was different. I never got tired of it and hate that its slowly being toned down.

BUT I can understand why people don't like it. But here's my complaint.

Prior to Coles heel turn the guy was pretty much the pun in many jokes at his expense from the days of the rock to John Cena Michael Cole jokes were a staple in promos and commentary. Eventually they took poking fun at him, calling him gay etc to having him raped by heindenreich.

So after years of abuse, why the hell is it so wrong that he finally had an opportunity to return the favor? people say he is so over the top and they mute it change the channel. That's how I felt when instead of a good wrestling promo I got random Michael Cole is gay jokes.

[Red Impact]

I think Cole was actually underrated before. He had some great calls and I felt he was unfairly crapped on.

As for the question... he really isn't returning the favor, is he? Daniel Bryan and Zack Ryder weren't the ones insulting Cole before. In fact, one of the main guys who was, JBL, he got all buddy-buddy with before Wrestlemania. So he's not getting revenge on anyone, he just flipped to being the bully. If he did finally find a voice and started insulting the people who insulted him, then sure, I could see it. But for the most part, he takes out his aggression on a lot of people who didn't do anything to him before.

[Todd Pettengill]

I'm one who believes a heel play by play man can work. However... Cole is much too over the top while in his heel mode. It's unbearable when he gets into shouting matches and yells over his broadcast partners.

I like it when Cole drops a quick joke/insult about a wrestler when it doesn't totally bury the guy wrestling. I don't mind him squabbling/debating with his fellow announcers, as long as he's not shouting.

Bobby the Brain, Jesse Ventura, Mr. Perfect, and early King stuff, is prime examples of how a heel in the booth should operate. Throw zingers, don't shout at the viewers.

[frogsplash45]

[Juice]

Jan 6, 2012 15:12:01 GMT -5 Red Impact said:

I think Cole was actually underrated before. He had some great calls and I felt he was unfairly crapped on.

As for the question... he really isn't returning the favor, is he? Daniel Bryan and Zack Ryder weren't the ones insulting Cole before. In fact, one of the main guys who was, JBL, he got all buddy-buddy with before Wrestlemania. So he's not getting revenge on anyone, he just flipped to being the bully. If he did finally find a voice and started insulting the people who insulted him, then sure, I could see it. But for the most part, he takes out his aggression on a lot of people who didn't do anything to him before.

There is the whole totem pole mindset of being at the bottom and earning your way to the top. I would rather Cole insult me on commentary than have Randy Orton shit in my bag.

[Red Impact]

Jan 6, 2012 15:15:10 GMT -5 Juice said:

Jan 6, 2012 15:12:01 GMT -5 Red Impact said:

I think Cole was actually underrated before. He had some great calls and I felt he was unfairly crapped on.

As for the question... he really isn't returning the favor, is he? Daniel Bryan and Zack Ryder weren't the ones insulting Cole before. In fact, one of the main guys who was, JBL, he got all buddy-buddy with before Wrestlemania. So he's not getting revenge on anyone, he just flipped to being the bully. If he did finally find a voice and started insulting the people who insulted him, then sure, I could see it. But for the most part, he takes out his aggression on a lot of people who didn't do anything to him before.

There is the whole totem pole mindset of being at the bottom and earning your way to the top. I would rather Cole insult me on commentary than have Randy Orton s*** in my bag.

That doesn't change the fact that he's not getting back at anyone, as you put forward. That kayfabe justification just doesn't work, if he was, he wouldn't be a heel. Wrestling is all about getting revenge on guys, but Cole is a heel because the guys he insults didn't do anything to him. He's just someone who was being bullied that turned into a bully.

Randy Orton crapping in a bag is really a different thing entirely. I'm not one to say I think backstage hazing is a good thing, but that's backstage, it's nothing that the crowd at home hears about (unless you read wrestling news sites). I think both are ultimately undesirable, but for entirely different reasons.

Now, if there was something favorable that came from Michael Cole insulting guys, then as much as I don't like it, there'd be a point. But I don't think anything favorable has come from it. I don't think anyone's spot was ever elevated by having Michael Cole insult him, nor do I think Michael Cole has made anyone more over than they would have been.

[Ryback on a Pole!]

It's when he starts shouting that I get annoyed.

Heel Cole is entertaining when he's been a smart wiseass making sarcastic comments or remarks at other wrestlers expense or been sarcastic about what's going on in the ring. When he starts ranting and doesn't shut up for the entire match then I just get annoyed.

Just lay off the constant shouting and yelling and I'll be fine with Heel Cole as a commentator.

[frogsplash45]

[Allie Kitsune]

No matter what, he gave us The NXT Gong incident, and "Anal Bleeding".

It's been worth it just for that.

[Rican]

He's a damn good heel being wasted on the commentary table. Him and Vickie both are. Ziggler is perfectly capable of getting heat. Cole and Vickie need to be managers.

The whole WWE commentary scene needs to be redone. Lawler needs to go, too.

[Juice]

I have to ask then, what was the point/justification of the million times Cole was insulted by wrestlers For no reason during promos

[Red Impact]

Jan 6, 2012 15:50:55 GMT -5 Juice said:

I have to ask then, what was the point/justification of the million times Cole was insulted by wrestlers For no reason during promos

There was none, I think he was unfairly crapped on, like I said. But him turning into a bully doesn't redeem him, because he's not doing it to anyone who did it to him. He just did the same thing as was once done to him, but not to anyone who had insulted him in the past.

If he was getting back at the people who wronged him, he'd be, if not a face, at least understandable. Instead, he's just someone who was bullied who is now bullying others.

[rapidfire187]

I never thought of it like that but it really doesn't change my opinion. The problem isn't so much what Cole is doing, it's that he is supposed to be the play by play guy on RAW. On Smackdown he's actually tolerable bc Josh and Booker are there to balance it out. King simply isn't a good face commentator so he just resorts to insulting Cole instead of simply pointing out good reasons that Cole is wrong. They should just get rid of Lawler and use a straight up play by play guy as the voice of reason opposite Cole as the color analyst. As things are right now, nobody has gotten more over besides Cole and Miz.

The other thing that bugs me is that he isn't consistent with who he buries. It's not just all faces because he basically treats Cena, Orton, Big Show, and the other established babyfaces like he always did. He doesn't mess with Punk much either. The only ones he tears into are the ones that are getting new pushes. That's very very counter productive to their careers.

[Juice]

I agree on lawler

[Deleted]

IMO, a good heel commentator adds to the heat that is already there. They make you loathe the faces more, and drum up support for the faces. Most importantly though, they put both heels and faces over, big time.

Bobby Heenan was absolute perfection in what a heel commentator should be. He put over faces and heels alike, but rooted for the heels. He didn't bury the faces, he just didn't like them. In fact, he built them up. You would have never heard him say that a face wrestler was "a joke" or not fit to be in the WWF. Most importantly, he always made himself look like the biggest fool.

The problem I have with Cole is that he isn't funny or entertaining in the way he goes about being a heel, he's just trying to be deliberately irritating. That wouldn't be so bad if he got put in his place on a regular basis (and could even play as if it didn't happen for even more heat). Instead, he has no real foil. He can rag on face wrestlers, burying them as non-entities for the entire length of the match, at the expense of even calling the match in question.

Michael Cole, the character, solely exists so that people will want to see him get his comeuppance. The only problem is that he always wins, EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.

[Efren]

Jokes at Cole's expense sucked sure, but two wrongs dont make a right.

[Massive G]

Jan 6, 2012 15:50:55 GMT -5 Juice said:

I have to ask then, what was the point/justification of the million times Cole was insulted by wrestlers For no reason during promos

there wasn't any. That shouldn't make it okay for him to do it also. What's that old saying?

[CATCH_US IS the Conversation]

Jan 6, 2012 16:03:02 GMT -5 @wvguitar said:

Michael Cole, the character, solely exists so that people will want to see him get his comeuppance. The only problem is that he always wins, EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.

Never gets his comeuppance?

[MrBRulzOK]

Michael Cole when he's just cutting promos or antagonizing the crowd is actually pretty entertaining at times.

Michael Cole behind the commentary booth for two hours makes me want to suplex my TV.

[Codebreaker]

After all the crap JR's had slung at him, would it justify him bullying wrestler's who've done nothing wrong to him?

Jan 6, 2012 16:37:49 GMT -5 MrBRulzOK said:

Michael Cole when he's just cutting promos or antagonizing the crowd is actually pretty entertaining at times.

Michael Cole behind the commentary booth for two hours makes me want to suplex my TV.

Exactly, I wouldn't mind Cole so much as he is - in fact, I'd probably become a fan - if I only saw him in small doses. A segment or two a week. He's irritating to me because he's constantly present.