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Post by stinger on Dec 6, 2012 23:41:07 GMT -5
Psh. You would be freaking surprised. The number of Broncos fans still belonging to the cult of Tebow is astounding, although their numbers seem to be dwindling more and more with every win.
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Post by Hugh Mungus on Dec 6, 2012 23:56:21 GMT -5
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Post by BearDogg-X on Dec 7, 2012 0:02:02 GMT -5
It's just amazing what a two-faced liar Roger Goodell is. The TIME Magazine cover has the words "THE ENFORCER: How far will the NFL Commissioner go to protect the game he loves?" plastered on it. Well, I'll tell you how far he'll go. He'll go about as far as he can to risk player safety and damaging long-term injuries handing out absurd fines for borderline tackles, all but eliminating the purpose of sacking a quarterback or tackling a receiver over the middle of the field and attempting to outright eliminate the kickoff...but then he'll turn around and practically demand an 18-game season. But don't worry, because of his lapdogs Peter King and Chris Berman, we'll be continually fed a bowl of crap over how Goodell is so sensitive to the health and needs of the players and how "protecting the shield" is of the utmost importance to him. Goodell should thank his lucky stars every day that Gary Bettman exists, because that's the only reason he doesn't wear the crown of "Single Worst American Professional Sports Commissioner". *clapping gif* Quoted for Truth.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Dec 7, 2012 0:28:47 GMT -5
It has completely worked out for Denver, however I will always be against the removal of a QB whose leadership led to them getting their first playoff win in a long time.
And like it or not, Denver can have a better record all they want. Unless they get to the AFC Championship, I will still think Denver was wrong in doing it.
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Post by BearDogg-X on Dec 7, 2012 0:30:32 GMT -5
Trindon Holliday is the only undefeated player in the NFL right now. 5-0 with Houston, 8-0 with Denver.
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Post by M. Dirrty on Dec 7, 2012 0:51:47 GMT -5
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Post by Orange on Dec 7, 2012 0:56:18 GMT -5
It has completely worked out for Denver, however I will always be against the removal of a QB whose leadership led to them getting their first playoff win in a long time. And like it or not, Denver can have a better record all they want. Unless they get to the AFC Championship, I will still think Denver was wrong in doing it. I was completely opposed to getting rid of Tebow at first, even for Manning. However, what's done is done - it was obvious that John didn't want Tebow (which goes back to my theory that, had Tebow won a Super Bowl, some of the credit would've been given to McDaniels for drafting him in the first place, which Elway didn't want) and he got the guy he wanted. I still think Tebow is a special player, and why the Jets haven't given him a fair chance I'll never know. He doesn't play pretty, he might not even play good, but he wins. Hell, the Jets aren't going to get to the playoffs - I just can't figure out why they didn't throw him in for shits and grins, but what are you gonna do?
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Post by Spider2024 on Dec 7, 2012 1:03:26 GMT -5
Another humerous stat, this involving the AFC and tiebreakers: At the end of Week 13, there was a 3-way tie for #2 in the conference between New England, Baltimore and Denver. Baltimore holds the head-to-head tiebreaker over New England, but they couldn't break the 3-way tie because they hadn't beat Denver (they play in Week 15). So New England was annointed #2 for owning the better conference record among the 3 teams. Here's the humerous part: Denver plays (played) their Week 14 game days before New England and Baltimore, so for those few days they will no longer be tied with either team. So it becomes a 2-way tie, and Baltimore will leap over New England without either team playing. Also humerous, because Denver won, New England just fell from #2 to #4 in the AFC. But they'll be right back to #2 with a win on Monday. (Of course tiebreakers don't really matter until the final week of the season.)
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Post by Sektor on Dec 7, 2012 1:18:04 GMT -5
I'd give it to Peyton because when they are as close as they are, I go with the title of the award, who was more valuable to their team. If you take Peyton away from Denver, you're talking a team with 8 to 6 wins and probably doesn't make the playoffs. If you take Brady from the Pats, they are an 10 to 8 win team that should make the playoffs. I made the same argument last year for Brady. Rodgers still got it though because he had the gaudier stats.
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Post by Unocal 76 on Dec 7, 2012 1:28:29 GMT -5
Like Brady needs ANOTHER MVP. He's not as good as last year.
(And Vick deserved a few votes in 2010- Brady was NOT a unanimous-caliber MVP. Probably because too many fawned over the 36-4 ratio. SO A GUY THROWS 4 PICKS! MVP!)
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 7, 2012 1:33:36 GMT -5
It has completely worked out for Denver, however I will always be against the removal of a QB whose leadership led to them getting their first playoff win in a long time. And like it or not, Denver can have a better record all they want. Unless they get to the AFC Championship, I will still think Denver was wrong in doing it. Really? Getting rid of a borderline at best qb, and then getting inarguably one of the best to ever play is the very definition of no brainer.
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Post by Red Impact on Dec 7, 2012 1:37:38 GMT -5
Tebow would be a trade up for some teams (mine included), but he got a ton of credit for things that he really didn't do. People like to talk about his intangibles, but he got credit for OT wins that he didn't throw in and he got credit for improved defensive play (which was hurt by the lockout far more than Tebow's fans want to admit), and he got more press than a lot of Super Bowl winners. He had a great game against a banged up Steelers squad, and he deserves credit for that, but proving that you're a winner just requires a little bit more than barely squeaking by teams that are missing the playoffs while you get demolished by playoff caliber teams, which is what they were doing with Tebow under center.
With Manning, they have a proven HOF QB, one that actually gives them a chance when they're playing a team that isn't destined to spend the playoffs on the couch. With Tebow, they'd have someone who was a great athlete and a bang-up person, but wouldn't likely ever be an elite QB. It was the same decision the Chief's made when they got Joe Montana, and just like when the Chief's picked up Joe Montana, they were right. However, as a Chief's fan, I'd much rather them have kept Tebow. We beat the Broncos with Tebow under center, we probably won't with Manning.
That said, the Jets picking up Tebow was an awful idea, not because Tebow is so much worse than Sanchez (they're probably about on par), but because they never intended it to be more than a publicity stunt. They're paying Sanchez way too much to drop him for Tebow. There were teams that could probably have upgraded their QB if they picked up Tebow, or at least gotten needed press, but he landed on one of the worst possible teams for him. The Jets don't want to draw attention to their mistake with Sanchez, so they have to keep him in at all costs.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 7, 2012 1:39:05 GMT -5
The Palmer trade might be the worst in the history of the NFL. The Raiders were looking like they just needed one or two good draft picks to get them in the playoffs with Campbell as qb then they sell the farm for Carson and they're right back in the toilet. Uh, Herschel Walker trade in '89 says hi. Hi best trade ever, thanks for all the draft picks, and the three rings. Yer pal, Slim
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Post by sryans on Dec 7, 2012 1:41:47 GMT -5
Like Brady needs ANOTHER MVP. He's not as good as last year. (And Vick deserved a few votes in 2010- Brady was NOT a unanimous-caliber MVP. Probably because too many fawned over the 36-4 ratio. SO A GUY THROWS 4 PICKS! MVP!) The stats last year were just generally gaudy across the league. Brady is clearly one of the three best in the league this year, he belongs in the MVP talks. Again. The two rules of the NFL since 2001: 1. Brady and Manning are either hurt or are the 2 best QBs in the world 2. The Browns suck
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Post by MGH on Dec 7, 2012 1:42:35 GMT -5
It has completely worked out for Denver, however I will always be against the removal of a QB whose leadership led to them getting their first playoff win in a long time. And like it or not, Denver can have a better record all they want. Unless they get to the AFC Championship, I will still think Denver was wrong in doing it. Really? Getting rid of a borderline at best qb, and then getting inarguably one of the best to ever play is the very definition of no brainer. I swear history is going to be far kinder to Tebow than is warranted when it comes to that run a year ago. Even now you hear some people championing him because he was the guy who brought Denver back from the dead and single handedly got them to the playoffs which is as bold faced a lie as you can tell. He won some games for them. As in he was the biggest factor. But he didn't force one of the most brain melting stupid fumbles in history, nor did he bomb a pair of 52+ yard FGs to win a game. That's what threw me off the bandwagon in the first place. People never could, and some still can't, talk about him with common sense and rationality. You had people HERE that I typically like trying to find ways to credit him for those FGs and the fumble by saying his overall passion and aura or some bulls*** was infecting both teams on the field. What? They upgraded, period. And even if they get to the same exact spot in the playoffs as they did a year ago and lose some 45-42 shoot out with the Pats, he gave them a better chance to win that game than the Patriot's bitch from a year ago, Tim Tebow, would. Or against anyone else for that matter. If someone wants to try and tell me that Tim Tebow gives you a better chance to win any game more than a healthy Peyton Manning would, knock yourself out. I'm not buying it.
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Post by Red Impact on Dec 7, 2012 1:45:58 GMT -5
Worst trade in NFL history? Jets get a draft pick that they use on Shaun Ellis, they trade the Patriots Bill Belichick for it.
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Post by Sektor on Dec 7, 2012 1:50:35 GMT -5
Like Brady needs ANOTHER MVP. He's not as good as last year. (And Vick deserved a few votes in 2010- Brady was NOT a unanimous-caliber MVP. Probably because too many fawned over the 36-4 ratio. SO A GUY THROWS 4 PICKS! MVP!) Being a step above Alex Smith with some rushing yards isn't even in the same league as being the most efficient QB in the league who actually has to throw the ball to win football games.
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Post by Cyno on Dec 7, 2012 1:56:04 GMT -5
First, what MGH said. Looking at the Broncos now and looking at the Broncos last year, who literally backed into the playoffs and would've been eliminated outright had Marion Barber not been the dumbest f*** ever for about 5 minutes, and if you tell me that Peyton Manning over Tebow was the wrong thing to do, you are wrong. There is no "that's my opinion" defense for that. It's just objectively, factually wrong. The Broncos have already won more games this season than last year's regular and postseason combined, and they're doing it in dominating fashion.
Second, Tebow isn't playing right now because he's hurt. He hurt his ribs during a practice. Him being dressed against the Pats on Thanksgiving was one of the most hilarious and inept coaching decisions in Rex Ryan's massively overrated head coaching career because he was hurting then and inactive anyway. And McElroy was inactive because who knowas. Meaning that if Sanchez had to be taken out of the game that day, like if his face-to-butt collision with his lineman resulted in a concussion, they had no backup quarterback.
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Post by Orange on Dec 7, 2012 1:57:29 GMT -5
I obviously love how the Manning deal worked out - but I'll tell you, after 6 years of no playoffs - that Demaryius Thomas catch and run is one of the best memories as a Bronco fan I'll ever have. Watching that live was so surreal, and it was awesome to get payback on the team that took us out in '05.
That is, for me, the best moment of Tebowmania in Denver. Of course, the game that followed that was one of the worst experiences I've had as a Bronco fan, but that Steelers play was something else.
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Post by Unocal 76 on Dec 7, 2012 2:03:51 GMT -5
Looking ahead to Sunday:
Jets-Jaguars: has any QB gotten more of a free pass than Mark Sanchez? And to think, this idiot has a better playoff record than Matt Ryan.
Ravens-Redskins: The game that SHOULD be on NBC Sunday night!
Saints-Giants: NY has payback in mind after last year, but they've never beaten Brees + they haven't beaten New Orleans since 1999. You have to go back to the Ditka days!
Cardinals-Seahawks: for the sake and sanity of Ryan Lindley, they made the right call with Skelton.
Lions-Packers: NBC is stuck with a Packer lovefest/Suh soapbox.
Texans-Patriots: New England fans, this is NOT the Jets game 2 years ago. Don't expect 45-3.
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