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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2013 14:12:33 GMT -5
Bonds and Clemens only got about a 3rd of the votes. Yikes.
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Post by Some Guy on Jan 9, 2013 14:16:57 GMT -5
I feel awful for Dale Murphy. Final year on the ballot and this clusterf*** happens. Oh god. I just realized that he won't make it in. Now I'm pissed. Why should he, if I may ask? He's about the 13th most deserving guy in this field at best.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jan 9, 2013 14:19:51 GMT -5
Clemens and Bonds both got less than 40% of the vote? Then nobody who played in the steroid era should be a first ballot Hall of Famer then, with the possible exception of The Hammer of God. Bonds and Clemens are unquestionable the best players of their generation. Bonds is at worst a top 5 hitter (with Ruth, Aaron, Williams, and Mays), and Clemens is a top 5 pitcher. Keeping them out of the Hall is horseshit. They are separate wing guys.
Piazza is the greatest offensive catcher ever, Jeff Bagwell is one of the greatest 1st baseman ever (also my favorite player ever), McGwire was one of the greatest homerun hitters ever and would have broken Aaron's record had he not retired, and Sosa jacked 600 homeruns and along with McGwire repaired baseball's image after the strike. And those guys got less votes than Jack f***ing Morris. I've got no problem with them getting less votes than Biggio, because Biggio's a Hall of Famer.
Take out everyone in the Hall that cheated then.
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Post by Munkie91087 on Jan 9, 2013 14:21:03 GMT -5
I agree with Dale Murphy and Jack Morris not getting in. I also am not calling for the end of the Hall of Fame because of this. Biggio will likely get in next year. (getting 68 percent of the vote on the first ballot is excellent.)
Bonds and Clemens should be hall of famers, no doubt. It is what it is. The steroid era happened and no amount of moral policing by the BBWA will change that.
The biggest travesty here is Mike Piazza not getting more of the vote. He's easily the greatest offensive catcher of all time an was never directly linked to any PEDs. I am hopefully he'll get in on the 3rd of 4th ballot.
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Post by Unocal 76 on Jan 9, 2013 14:21:19 GMT -5
Never underestimate the bitterness of sportswriters towards steroids
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Post by Nasty Nate: The Giant Midget on Jan 9, 2013 14:21:20 GMT -5
I feel awful for Dale Murphy. Final year on the ballot and this clusterf*** happens. Oh god. I just realized that he won't make it in. Now I'm pissed. an absolute farce. f*** the BBWAA
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Post by Some Guy on Jan 9, 2013 14:22:31 GMT -5
Clemens and Bonds both got less than 40% of the vote? Then nobody who played in the steroid era should be a first ballot Hall of Famer then, with the possible exception of The Hammer of God. Bonds and Clemens are unquestionable the best players of their generation. Bonds is at worst a top 5 hitter (with Ruth, Aaron, Williams, and Mays), and Clemens is a top 5 pitcher. Keeping them out of the Hall is horses***. They are separate wing guys. Piazza is the greatest offensive catcher ever, Jeff Bagwell is one of the greatest 1st baseman ever (also my favorite player ever), McGwire was one of the greatest homerun hitters ever and would have broken Aaron's record had he not retired, and Sosa jacked 600 homeruns and along with McGwire repaired baseball's image after the strike. And those guys got less votes than Jack f***ing Morris. I've got no problem with them getting less votes than Biggio, because Biggio's a Hall of Famer. Take out everyone in the Hall that cheated then. Sammy Sosa is really borderline aside from roid issues. He had an excellent peak, but wasn't all that great outside of it.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Jan 9, 2013 14:22:50 GMT -5
Oh god. I just realized that he won't make it in. Now I'm pissed. Why should he, if I may ask? He's about the 13th most deserving guy in this field at best. Oh I don't know: 1. Consecutive MVP awards in 82 and 83. 2. Four straight years as silver slugger 3. 5 years straight gold glove winner. 4. 7 all-star game appearences. 5. He didn't cheat to do all that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2013 14:23:36 GMT -5
Some names on next years ballot: Tom Glavine, Greg Maddux, Mike Mussina, Jeff Kent, and Frank Thomas. No doubt atleast 2 get in next year.
Also, it's being reported that 5 blank ballots were submitted.
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Post by Nasty Nate: The Giant Midget on Jan 9, 2013 14:23:53 GMT -5
Clemens and Bonds both got less than 40% of the vote? Then nobody who played in the steroid era should be a first ballot Hall of Famer then, with the possible exception of The Hammer of God. Bonds and Clemens are unquestionable the best players of their generation. Bonds is at worst a top 5 hitter (with Ruth, Aaron, Williams, and Mays), and Clemens is a top 5 pitcher. Keeping them out of the Hall is horses***. They are separate wing guys. Piazza is the greatest offensive catcher ever, Jeff Bagwell is one of the greatest 1st baseman ever (also my favorite player ever), McGwire was one of the greatest homerun hitters ever and would have broken Aaron's record had he not retired, and Sosa jacked 600 homeruns and along with McGwire repaired baseball's image after the strike. And those guys got less votes than Jack f***ing Morris. I've got no problem with them getting less votes than Biggio, because Biggio's a Hall of Famer. Take out everyone in the Hall that cheated then. This
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Jan 9, 2013 14:24:13 GMT -5
Some names on next years ballot: Tom Glavine, Greg Maddux, Mike Mussina, Jeff Kent, and Frank Thomas. No doubt atleast 2 get in next year. Also, it's being reported that 5 blank ballots were submitted. 5 less ballots MLB should give out next year.
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Post by WorkingInAColeMine on Jan 9, 2013 14:24:20 GMT -5
Why should he, if I may ask? He's about the 13th most deserving guy in this field at best. Oh I don't know: 1. Consecutive MVP awards in 82 and 83. 2. Four straight years as silver slugger 3. 5 years straight gold glove winner. 4. 7 all-star game appearences. 5. He didn't cheat to do all that. How do you know he didn't cheat?
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Jan 9, 2013 14:25:31 GMT -5
Oh I don't know: 1. Consecutive MVP awards in 82 and 83. 2. Four straight years as silver slugger 3. 5 years straight gold glove winner. 4. 7 all-star game appearences. 5. He didn't cheat to do all that. How do you know he didn't cheat? .....Because he's never failed any drug test and has never been proven to do anything of the sort. Was that a serious question?
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Jan 9, 2013 14:27:41 GMT -5
How do you know he didn't cheat? .....Because he's never failed any drug test and has never been proven to do anything of the sort. Was that a serious question? Maybe he took greenies. Piazza and Biggio didn't and look where that got them
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Post by Renslayer on Jan 9, 2013 14:28:01 GMT -5
I'm eagerly awaiting the days Derek Jeter, Mariano Rivera & Albert Pujols don't get elected to the Hall of Fame. Using BBWAA logic, no way in hell they get in.
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Post by Some Guy on Jan 9, 2013 14:28:37 GMT -5
Why should he, if I may ask? He's about the 13th most deserving guy in this field at best. Oh I don't know: 1. Consecutive MVP awards in 82 and 83. 2. Four straight years as silver slugger 3. 5 years straight gold glove winner. 4. 7 all-star game appearences. 5. He didn't cheat to do all that. 1. He deserved one of those, and that doesn't really make someone an automatic HOF for a great two year peak 2. Doesn't really matter 3. Doesn't really matter 4. So? 5. Irrelevant His career line is .265/.346/.469 with average at best defense in his career. That is not, under any circumstance, a hall of famer.
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Post by Sparkybob on Jan 9, 2013 14:29:47 GMT -5
I am pretty disappointed that Kenny Lofton getting less than 5% and getting take off the ballot. I think he is pretty decent candidate that should have been given more time to consider for getting into the hall.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Jan 9, 2013 14:29:56 GMT -5
Oh I don't know: 1. Consecutive MVP awards in 82 and 83. 2. Four straight years as silver slugger 3. 5 years straight gold glove winner. 4. 7 all-star game appearences. 5. He didn't cheat to do all that. 1. He deserved one of those, and that doesn't really make someone an automatic HOF for a great two year peak 2. Doesn't really matter 3. Doesn't really matter 4. So? 5. Irrelevant His career line is .265/.346/.469 with average at best defense in his career. That is not, under any circumstance, a hall of famer. What makes you think he only deserved one of those? How do Gold Gloves and Silver Slugger's not matter? If they don't matter, why are they giving them out?
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Post by Some Guy on Jan 9, 2013 14:32:15 GMT -5
1. He deserved one of those, and that doesn't really make someone an automatic HOF for a great two year peak 2. Doesn't really matter 3. Doesn't really matter 4. So? 5. Irrelevant His career line is .265/.346/.469 with average at best defense in his career. That is not, under any circumstance, a hall of famer. What makes you think he only deserved one of those? How do Gold Gloves and Silver Slugger's not matter? If they don't matter, why are they giving them out? By looking at the stats in 1982. And Gold Gloves don't really matter because they're based on reputation, while Silver Sluggers are neat but nothing noteworthy in the long run. Again, that is a good line for an outfielder but you cannot say a guy with a sub 820 OPS is deserving of being in the hall of fame. It's just nothing special.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Jan 9, 2013 14:33:00 GMT -5
What makes you think he only deserved one of those? How do Gold Gloves and Silver Slugger's not matter? If they don't matter, why are they giving them out? By looking at the stats in 1982. And Gold Gloves don't really matter because they're based on reputation, while Silver Sluggers are neat but nothing noteworthy in the long run. Again, that is a good line for an outfielder but you cannot say a guy with a sub 820 OPS is deserving of being in the hall of fame. It's just nothing special. So who should have won it in 82 if not Dale Murphy?
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