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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2013 14:34:31 GMT -5
I'm fine with McGwire, Sosa, Bonds and Clemens not getting in. They're all cheaters, so f*** em all as far as I'm concerned.
But Biggio, Bagwell, Piazza and Murphy not getting in (and Murphy not getting a considerable higher percentage of votes at that)? That's a travesty.
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Post by mattperiolat on Jan 9, 2013 14:36:46 GMT -5
Well, safe to say with 12.3%, Sosa will never see Cooperstown. That's rough for me, given my family loved the guy and it was at least questionable if he was on PED or not.
The other bitter pill is Jack Morris. He's on the bubble at 67.7% and next year is his last chance. Going to be tough with players like Maddux waiting in the wings.
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Post by Sparkybob on Jan 9, 2013 14:37:39 GMT -5
By looking at the stats in 1982. And Gold Gloves don't really matter because they're based on reputation, while Silver Sluggers are neat but nothing noteworthy in the long run. Again, that is a good line for an outfielder but you cannot say a guy with a sub 820 OPS is deserving of being in the hall of fame. It's just nothing special. So who should have won it in 82 if not Dale Murphy? Just Looking at it quickly Robin Yount seem to have a fantastic year and should have won it over Dale Murphy.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Jan 9, 2013 14:37:45 GMT -5
Bagwell, Biggio, and Piazza all played in the same era as Bonds and the like. Are they honestly saying that playing in the same era as Bonds automatically disqualifies someone from being in the HOF? Is that what they're saying? Because, if you ask me, if they never failed a drug test, why keep them out?
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Jan 9, 2013 14:39:14 GMT -5
So who should have won it in 82 if not Dale Murphy? Just Looking at it quickly Robin Yount seem to have a fantastic year and should have won it over Dale Murphy. Where is Robin Yount these days? I know he coached with his old team a few years ago, what does he do now?
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Post by Some Guy on Jan 9, 2013 14:39:42 GMT -5
I'm fine with McGwire, Sosa, Bonds and Clemens not getting in. They're all cheaters, so f*** em all as far as I'm concerned. But Biggio, Bagwell, Piazza and Murphy not getting in (and Murphy not getting a considerable higher percentage of votes at that)? That's a travesty. Okay, so should we remove Willie Mays and Hank Aaron for taking amphetamines? How about Babe Ruth for injecting sheep testicles, or how about all of the players that played in a segregated league? Calling them cheaters and f*** them, but advocating for Dale Murphy to be in the hall is just wrong. By looking at the stats in 1982. And Gold Gloves don't really matter because they're based on reputation, while Silver Sluggers are neat but nothing noteworthy in the long run. Again, that is a good line for an outfielder but you cannot say a guy with a sub 820 OPS is deserving of being in the hall of fame. It's just nothing special. So who should have won it in 82 if not Dale Murphy? Mike Schmidt.
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Post by fuzzywarble, squat cobbler on Jan 9, 2013 14:41:19 GMT -5
Just Looking at it quickly Robin Yount seem to have a fantastic year and should have won it over Dale Murphy. Where is Robin Yount these days? I know he coached with his old team a few years ago, what does he do now? Yount was in the AL. And why is no one talking about Raines? If anything good came of this, it's that his total went up a little bit. He should have been in long ago.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jan 9, 2013 14:43:22 GMT -5
Such a bunch of pretentious assholes.
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Post by fuzzywarble, squat cobbler on Jan 9, 2013 14:47:58 GMT -5
If someone is thinking about submitting a blank ballot, they should just hold onto it and not mail it in. That way, it doesn't count against the players.
If someone submits a blank ballot and doesn't give substantiated reasoning as to WHY he submitted a blank ballot, his rights need to be revoked.
I feel that if someone submits a blank ballot, they need to have, in writing, a very good reason as to why they're doing that.
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Post by fuzzywarble, squat cobbler on Jan 9, 2013 14:55:41 GMT -5
At least Jack Morris didn't get in.
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Post by Some Guy on Jan 9, 2013 14:57:08 GMT -5
At least Jack Morris didn't get in. I'm thankful for that. Curt Schilling had better stats (regular and postseason) in a tougher offensive era, yet is way far away from him. Should never be a decision between those 2, Curt is considerably better (and I HATE him).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2013 15:01:00 GMT -5
I'm eagerly awaiting the days Derek Jeter, Mariano Rivera & Albert Pujols don't get elected to the Hall of Fame. Using BBWAA logic, no way in hell they get in. Mariano maybe. Pujols might be a little too early to decide. Jeter however will get 90% first ballot, no doubt (unless of course he's caught cheating).
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Post by Sparkybob on Jan 9, 2013 15:04:10 GMT -5
At least Jack Morris didn't get in. I have a sneaky suspicious that Morris sneaks in next year on his last chance at the ballot.
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Post by darbus alan on Jan 9, 2013 15:04:18 GMT -5
Curt Schilling is a scumbag and IMO not a first ballot guy (though he deserves to get in), but even I'm perplexed why Jack Morris got a much larger share of votes than he did.
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Post by Some Guy on Jan 9, 2013 15:07:48 GMT -5
I find it amusing that Pedro Gomez refused to vote for any PED guys, when Bonds is the only reason he has a job at ESPN.
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Post by WorkingInAColeMine on Jan 9, 2013 15:10:31 GMT -5
The man who voted for Aaron Sele declined to let his vote be public.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jan 9, 2013 15:10:42 GMT -5
Tim Kurkjian is f***ing awesome!
I love that he's saying at some point the credibility of the Hall of Fame is going to come into question.
Buster Olney's awesome as well.
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Post by The_Don_Mecha on Jan 9, 2013 15:11:10 GMT -5
I don't watch baseball, and haven't since the 94 strike, but why do they have limits on Hall of Fame candidates? To me, that's altering history unnecessarily, and the HOF committee needs to find better criteria to put players in the HOF. I think that for all sports across the board, although the NBA and NFL seem to get it right for the most part.
Is this known as the Steroid Era, like as in an actual title?
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Post by fuzzywarble, squat cobbler on Jan 9, 2013 15:13:28 GMT -5
I predict that this was Morris' last year at having any real shot, as next year Maddux and Glavine are getting in, plus at least 1-2 holdovers from this year who were TRUE superstars (Morris was good but not a star). This is why I'm grateful for the 10-vote max on the ballots; it would prevent a player like Morris from getting in while many more deserving players are on the ballot.
And Schilling is a legit HOFer. A player either is or isn't a HOFer- regardless of whether he should get in on the first ballot. Now, over time a stronger case can be built for a player and more voters' eyes can open up regarding his candidacy (Blyleven), but to say that a player is probably a HOFer, but just not a first-ballot HOFer, doesn't sit right with me. Whether he goes in on the first or the tenth ballot, it's obvious that he's a legit HOFer and not some mistake who may ultimately get voted in (Sutter).
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Post by fuzzywarble, squat cobbler on Jan 9, 2013 15:14:31 GMT -5
And I think the football HOF is a joke for mandating that a minimum of players get elected each year. Talk about cheapening the honor!
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