mrjl
Fry's dog Seymour
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Post by mrjl on Dec 22, 2012 12:52:06 GMT -5
If you can wrestle a five star match, then you should attempt to in every match
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Steveweiser
Dalek
Mickie Mickie You're So Fine... Hey Mickie!
THE GRAPS
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Post by Steveweiser on Dec 22, 2012 13:04:21 GMT -5
False - it has to depend on the situation and placement on the card. They should only really be main events or near the top in key positions on the show. You never try and have one in the opening match, unless it's Bret and Owen at WrestleMania X, because the boys in the back will be pretty pissed that you've given the fans everything in the first match, and they can't top it.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Dec 22, 2012 13:18:37 GMT -5
False, false, false! If every guy tries to steal the show, the crowd gets burnt out way too fast. I'm all for giving it your all but you gotta understand that if you're in the second match of a seven match show, you shouldn't be kicking out of a million finishers.
There are also times when the story of the match doesn't call for an amazing show stealer. An example would be if one guy is going into the match hurt.
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NOwave
Don Corleone
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Post by NOwave on Dec 22, 2012 18:19:39 GMT -5
I think much of the online wrestling community misunderstands what a 5-star match is, or is supposed to be. We've been so indoctrinated with descriptions of "work rate", "rest holds" and various other supposed measures of match quality by Meltzer, et al, that many people have lost sight of the most important thing: Is it entertaining for the fans watching?
Example: Larry Zybysko-The Living Legend would often stall for several minutes after the bell rang, walking the ring apron or the floor, taunting the crowd or the opponent, but doing no actual wrestling moves. A match like this would be considered poor quality because of low work rate, but surprise: Larry was WAY over in those matches! He generated amazing levels of heat from the crowd with those actions. Guys today wish they could get over like that.
The point is: a 5-star match SHOULD be one that is highly entertaining to the crowd. It doesn't really matter how many high spots there were if the crowd was cheering or booing loudly at the end.
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thecrusherwi
El Dandy
the Financially Responsible Man
Brawl For All
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Post by thecrusherwi on Dec 22, 2012 18:22:05 GMT -5
False- Each match should not attempt to be an all time classic. If every scene in Network tried to be as epic as a Howard Beale speech or Ned Beatty's speech, those memorable scenes couldn't mean near as much anymore.
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Steveweiser
Dalek
Mickie Mickie You're So Fine... Hey Mickie!
THE GRAPS
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Post by Steveweiser on Dec 22, 2012 18:38:23 GMT -5
Ideally, you'd start the show with a 2.5/3 star match to warm the crowd up, simmer around that range early, try for a four in the match before intermission, then aim for a three after intermission, the matches afterwards should try to be as near to four as possible, maybe shoot for five if it's a heavily pushed match, and then the main event should try to be bloody amazing.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Dec 22, 2012 18:56:45 GMT -5
Too much of a good thing is bad.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Dec 22, 2012 19:18:15 GMT -5
Wrestlers should just go out and try to entertain the crowd as best as they can, whether that means a technical exhibition or a goofy brawl. I don't see the point of star ratings.
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 22, 2012 19:57:55 GMT -5
I wish a lot of wrestling reviewers would change the ratings system somewhat. Sure, keep the concept of a hard 1*-5* rating scale, but include a secondary scale: how effective a match is at accomplishing what it looks to accomplish.
For example, take any midcard feud match on a PPV that intentionally doesn't seek to outdo the main event, but has the crowd heavily invested, hot for the show, and puts all the match's participants in a good place after it's over. Maybe it stands alone as a **1/2 or *** match, but in terms of what it's trying to be, it might be four or five stars.
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The Ichi
Patti Mayonnaise
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Post by The Ichi on Dec 24, 2012 14:40:28 GMT -5
That's a good way to have a short career.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Dec 24, 2012 15:25:41 GMT -5
That's a good way to have a short career. There's a reason why a large number of wrestlers from the late 90's, early 2000's retired so quickly. Them going balls out every time they were in the ring caused hell to their bodies and speed up their bump count.
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Post by So Called Wrestling Fan on Dec 24, 2012 15:55:49 GMT -5
Every match on a different card have their place and style to make it better or worse, and making all match 5 star candidate is just stupid.
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ratetankmark
Samurai Cop
Equalist Lex Luthor
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Post by ratetankmark on Dec 24, 2012 16:26:27 GMT -5
I think that you should try and deliver dynamite if it's a big stage or main event match but at house shows you should work at half speed and do just enough to get by, if you go full out every night you'll end up like Kobashi, a psychical wreck (no disrespect to Kobashi)
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