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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Dec 23, 2012 0:14:35 GMT -5
4 and 3/4 *, what a putz
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Post by Cela on Dec 23, 2012 0:29:33 GMT -5
The overacting and "STAY DOWN" pleading should drop an entire star off HHH Taker.
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Post by BigWill on Dec 23, 2012 1:21:07 GMT -5
It might be just me, but I prefered Punk and Jericho's Extreme Rules match. Same here. I would think most around here would agree with this statement.
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Post by The OP on Dec 23, 2012 1:25:01 GMT -5
While a very good match, I am more convinced than ever that Taker/Triple H is the most overrated match in ages. There are at least three other matches on the list that in my opinion were unquestionably better.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2012 1:29:59 GMT -5
Question: Wouldn't it be easier to rank matches out of 100 than ranking something 4 stars and three quarters of a star? I mean that's...kind of a weird way to rank things. That's too wide a margin. Like, what's the difference between an 88 and an 89? How did one match get that extra point? Why does that extra point matter? I think a 5 star scale is perfect but the quarter stars make no sense to me. Should just be halves. Like 3.5 out of 5 rather than 3.25 out of 5.
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Post by Manute Bol on Dec 23, 2012 1:51:10 GMT -5
Does anyone know how many stars Meltzer gave the John Cena vs. John Laurinaitis match by any chance?
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Dec 23, 2012 2:10:07 GMT -5
I know what you mean, and in all honesty, I don't follow these rankings with any real intent (I only posted the *** 3/4 and *** 1/2 matches because the OP didn't ;D). But in the end, he kind of is the main wrestling critic out there, so many people go to his word first as to what would be a good match or not, the same way as many people would go to... say... Roger Ebert's reviews to decide what is a good movie or not. That's not to say they've endorsed a few clunkers along the way, but you get what I'm trying to say (I hope). In the end, the best judge is yourself. I actually, both for movies & pro wrestling, prefer consenus sites like Rotten Tomatoes. My problem with RT is that its "Tomatometer," the big fat number it displays, is only based on the number of positive reviews versus negative reviews. It makes no distinction between major and minor (dis)like of a film.
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Post by stealthamo on Dec 23, 2012 2:26:17 GMT -5
While a very good match, I am more convinced than ever that Taker/Triple H is the most overrated match in ages. There are at least three other matches on the list that in my opinion were unquestionably better. Honestly, I'd say all of the matches in the OP are between than Taker/HHH, but I'm probably one of the few who thinks that match (as well as their match at Mania 27) is extremely overrated.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Dec 23, 2012 2:30:53 GMT -5
Does anyone know how many stars Meltzer gave the John Cena vs. John Laurinaitis match by any chance? If I rated matches, I couldn't go any lower with it than ***. It was a guilty pleasure.
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Post by BigWill on Dec 23, 2012 2:35:55 GMT -5
Does anyone know how many stars Meltzer gave the John Cena vs. John Laurinaitis match by any chance? If I rated matches, I couldn't go any lower with it than ***. It was a guilty pleasure. I think I would be able to look back on that match more fondly if it wasn't the main event. It would have been fine as a midcard comedy match, but to actually take it seriously, and bill it as more important than the WWE title, left a bad taste in my mouth.
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Post by John Cena's Boner on Dec 23, 2012 2:36:14 GMT -5
Does anyone know how many stars Meltzer gave the John Cena vs. John Laurinaitis match by any chance? It received a DUD rating.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Dec 23, 2012 2:36:28 GMT -5
Does anyone know how many stars Meltzer gave the John Cena vs. John Laurinaitis match by any chance? If I rated matches, I couldn't go any lower with it than ***. It was a guilty pleasure. He gave it "DUD", which is his equivalent of 0, according to profightdb.com. He does give minus star ratings if the match is hideously bad, though.
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Post by Urethra Franklin on Dec 23, 2012 2:53:37 GMT -5
While a very good match, I am more convinced than ever that Taker/Triple H is the most overrated match in ages. There are at least three other matches on the list that in my opinion were unquestionably better. I have to agree. For me, I saw a lot of big spots followed by rest spots. I understand the story that was trying to be told, but I wasn't remotely emotionally invested in it the way that I was with the two HBK matches and even the previous HHH match.
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Post by rapidfire187 on Dec 23, 2012 3:01:09 GMT -5
I actually agree with most of Meltzer's ratings. That's not the point though, his ratings aren't official in any real way. Questioning why anyone should care about Meltzer's insight is basically asking why anyone cares about him in general. He's been doing this for a long time and is one of the main reasons we know so much about wrestling. I'm not saying he's the be all end all authority on wrestling, but he has good taste IMO.
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Post by rapidfire187 on Dec 23, 2012 3:03:30 GMT -5
I forgot to mention that I totally disagree with Taker/Trips as MOTY. It was certainly going for that, but I was more captivated by the Punk/Bryan, Punk/Jericho, and the 6 man TLC.
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Dec 23, 2012 3:38:49 GMT -5
The half and quarter star rating system really makes evaluating the quality of a match a real chore, in my opinion. Why not keep it simple? There are horrible matches that you never want to see again, bad matches which could be passable with some work, okay matches that functionally work but aren't that exciting, good matches which leave you feeling satisfied in relation to what has been presented, great matches which get you out of your seat and emotionally invested, and classics that you have to watch again and again because they are so good.
So, for example: Sheamus, since Raw has moved to three hours, has been having good matches on TV. Conversely, Triple H versus Scott Steiner at the 2003 Royal Rumble is a bad match. While John Cena and Brock Lesnar had a great match this year at Extreme Rules, Steve Austin versus Bret Hart at Wrestlemania 13 is a classic match that I can watch again and again. While THAT Jackie Gayda match was absolutely horrible, I find Ryback matches to be just okay. Et cetera.
It's so much simpler than going from a quarter star all the way up to five stars, moreover it actually communicates how good the match is. If I have to stop and think what exactly a three and three quarter star-rated match actually means, then by proxy the usefulness of the ranking system has failed itself.
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Post by Corporate H on Dec 23, 2012 3:47:01 GMT -5
I don't really have a problem with this list..it seems to be what most people have been saying all year. I just don't see how the Hell in the Cell was the best match of the year, but a lot of people have said it as well.
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Post by HBL on Dec 23, 2012 4:00:41 GMT -5
Eh,mostly seems right. But instead of Bryan vs Punk at MITB he could've put Punk vs Jericho at Extreme Rules.
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Post by 4real on Dec 23, 2012 14:08:44 GMT -5
Eh,mostly seems right. But instead of Bryan vs Punk at MITB he could've put Punk vs Jericho at Extreme Rules. That's my only gripe with the list really that he listed Punk vs. Bryan at MITB so high, I thought that match was average at best considering both guys in the match. And I think Sheamus vs. Bryan was better than Jericho vs. Punk anyway.
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Post by BigWill on Dec 23, 2012 14:13:17 GMT -5
Eh,mostly seems right. But instead of Bryan vs Punk at MITB he could've put Punk vs Jericho at Extreme Rules. That's my only gripe with the list really that he listed Punk vs. Bryan at MITB so high, I thought that match was average at best considering both guys in the match. And I think Sheamus vs. Bryan was better than Jericho vs. Punk anyway. The only reason why I thought Jericho/Punk was a bit better was because Sheamus/Bryan had a really generic ending.
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