BigWill
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Post by BigWill on Dec 23, 2012 14:10:45 GMT -5
I've always disagreed that Ryback was hotshotted into anything. He was undefeated for months and gradually went from beating jobbers to full time wrestlers. The next logical step was a title shot. If someone is undefeated that long it looks weird that they WOULDN'T get a title shot. I don't see how beating no name jobbers half your size should grant you a title shot He did start beating former world champions later in his squashes, such as Miz and Swagger.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2012 14:12:47 GMT -5
I've always disagreed that Ryback was hotshotted into anything. He was undefeated for months and gradually went from beating jobbers to full time wrestlers. The next logical step was a title shot. If someone is undefeated that long it looks weird that they WOULDN'T get a title shot. When you compare Ryback's rise up to others I will agree that it's at least a step up for WWE to book a guy against the Champion based on winning matches in succession for months and months. The argument falls apart when you consider the caliber of opponents he was facing in that period. I give WWE the bare minimum of credit for that, just out of it being a step up from the usual, "shit I don't know, wrestle the Champion, if you beat him you can fight him again for the Title", or "Jesus Christ, f***in' just, well you lost your first chance at the title just try again next PPV".
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Post by Rican on Dec 23, 2012 14:15:57 GMT -5
I've always disagreed that Ryback was hotshotted into anything. He was undefeated for months and gradually went from beating jobbers to full time wrestlers. The next logical step was a title shot. If someone is undefeated that long it looks weird that they WOULDN'T get a title shot. When you compare Ryback's rise up to others I will agree that it's at least a step up for WWE to book a guy against the Champion based on winning matches in succession for months and months. The argument falls apart when you consider the caliber of opponents he was facing in that period. I give WWE the bare minimum of credit for that, just out of it being a step up from the usual, "s*** I don't know, wrestle the Champion, if you beat him you can fight him again for the Title", or "Jesus Christ, f***in' just, well you lost your first chance at the title just try again next PPV". It's definitely a step up, and you and the previous poster had valid points about the quality of opponents. I guess my opinion is that it wasn't hotshotting because he didn't get a title shot until several months after he had already debuted. It was a gradual build. If he had been around like 2 months and got a title shot I would call it hotshotting, but they waited a while.
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Post by BigBadZ on Dec 23, 2012 14:53:34 GMT -5
Ryback doesn't need a 5-star match, he needs a challenger who is booked to look like they have a chance to beat him. Cowardly heel CM Punk who has to win via shenanigans is not helping. Cesaro walking out in the middle of the match doesn't help. And the Shield needing 3 men to challenge Ryback doesn't help. I believe that Ryback can put on a good match longer than 10 minutes but not when his opponent spends 2/3 of the match getting beat up and barely itching out a win at the end.
As far as why I don't think Ryback should be WWE Champion (yet) is because there is no personality in the character at this time. Come to the ring, squash, 'Feed Me More' chants, squash more and leave is not enough to be the champion, IMO. He is definitely over but until he cuts some good promos and shows some kind of weakness, he is fine chasing the belt. Again this is my personal opinions.....
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Post by pepsitwist on Dec 23, 2012 15:03:40 GMT -5
I don't see how beating no name jobbers half your size should grant you a title shot He did start beating former world champions later in his squashes, such as Miz and Swagger. Who are booked like crap to the point where nobody cares for them. How many casual fans would remember Swagger being World Heavyweight Champion if the commentators didn't bring it up? I can't see why they couldn't have pushed Ryback towards a lesser title to ensure his limitations aren't greatly exposed against certain workers in the main event.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Dec 23, 2012 15:26:55 GMT -5
Ryback doesn't need a 5-star match, he needs a challenger who is booked to look like they have a chance to beat him. In other words, a face? Even the densest of marks knows that simply being a heel renders anyone incapable of cleanly beating Ryback.
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BigWill
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Post by BigWill on Dec 23, 2012 15:31:31 GMT -5
He did start beating former world champions later in his squashes, such as Miz and Swagger. Who are booked like crap to the point where nobody cares for them. How many casual fans would remember Swagger being World Heavyweight Champion if the commentators didn't bring it up? I can't see why they couldn't have pushed Ryback towards a lesser title to ensure his limitations aren't greatly exposed against certain workers in the main event. None of that really matters, as the crowd seems to love Ryback and the push he's been getting.
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Post by BigBadZ on Dec 23, 2012 15:37:02 GMT -5
Ryback doesn't need a 5-star match, he needs a challenger who is booked to look like they have a chance to beat him. In other words, a face? Even the densest of marks knows that simply being a heel renders anyone incapable of cleanly beating Ryback. I never said the heel needed to win. The heel needs to look like he could win.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Dec 23, 2012 15:41:08 GMT -5
In other words, a face? Even the densest of marks knows that simply being a heel renders anyone incapable of cleanly beating Ryback. I never said the heel needed to win. The heel needs to look like he could win. That's what I'm saying too. In fact, a heel MIGHT win, but there's no way anyone in the audience would believe that a heel COULD win, if that makes sense. Look at Punk. Even BEATING Ryback doesn't make the audience think he could beat Ryback.
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Post by BigWill on Dec 23, 2012 15:44:03 GMT -5
I don't think fans would have trouble believing Big Show could have a chance at legitimately beating Ryback.
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Post by percymania on Dec 23, 2012 15:51:04 GMT -5
What about CHRISTIAN?!
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Post by BigBadZ on Dec 23, 2012 15:51:53 GMT -5
I never said the heel needed to win. The heel needs to look like he could win. That's what I'm saying too. In fact, a heel MIGHT win, but there's no way anyone in the audience would believe that a heel COULD win, if that makes sense. Look at Punk. Even BEATING Ryback doesn't make the audience think he could beat Ryback. My bad, I miss took that. But yes that is an excellent point with Punk you made. And now Punk is moving on to The Rock and who knows with Ryback....
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Dec 23, 2012 15:54:01 GMT -5
I've always disagreed that Ryback was hotshotted into anything. He was undefeated for months and gradually went from beating jobbers to full time wrestlers. The next logical step was a title shot. If someone is undefeated that long it looks weird that they WOULDN'T get a title shot. I don't see how beating no name jobbers half your size should grant you a title shot A title shot wouldn't have been a problem. A WWE Title shot was.
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Post by SHAKEMASTER TV9 is Don Knotts on Dec 23, 2012 15:57:12 GMT -5
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