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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Dec 23, 2012 9:40:53 GMT -5
Whenever someone asks about good Goldberg matches there are few that people can agree are objectively good. But DDP/Goldberg at Halloween Havoc 1998 always seems to get a lot of love in those kinds of threads.
Is Ryback capable of more than squashing and brawling? Probably. He just needs a DDP type to work with. Ryback strikes me as a guy who needs to be booked very carefully. Lately, they've going about it all wrong IMHO. He never should have been hotshotted into a feud with Punk. He could have instead chased the World Heavyweight Championship. Big Show seems like a good opponent for him. After that they could have put him in some matches with say Daniel Bryan as the DDP to actually wrestle him and win over some smarks. Not sure if that would have even worked as I could see people crapping on Ryback for beating Bryan, but I think it could have a chance at working if Bryan was built up before hand and the match was made to look competitive.
As it stands now I have no idea who could be Ryback's DDP. It certainly won't be Bryan. At least not the way he is booked now.
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Post by Snowman on Dec 23, 2012 9:48:47 GMT -5
Could be ambrose if they continue with the shied feud. Have him face the others first beating them fairly easily, but Ambrose gives him his biggest challenge to date and Ryback wins a very hard fought victory.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Dec 23, 2012 10:42:47 GMT -5
Why does he need to do more than brawling? What's wrong with a wrestler just beating the f*** out of people?
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Post by BigWill on Dec 23, 2012 10:50:21 GMT -5
Why does he need to do more than brawling? What's wrong with a wrestler just beating the f*** out of people? It gets boring after a while. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2012 10:55:30 GMT -5
That would be a guarantee
Why does Ryback need to win over any smarks? They haven't paid a single dime to see the guy before and no number of 4 and a half star matches* would convince them to do otherwise. Why try to appease a non-paying minority of your audience at the expense of either guy? And even if they build Bryan up as a challenge, Ryback gets nothing but more smarky scorn for beating him and Bryan just gets labelled as a jobber and people crying out that he's getting buried.
* 1/2 star would be deducted because Bryan didn't win.
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Dec 23, 2012 10:58:46 GMT -5
Why does he need to do more than brawling? What's wrong with a wrestler just beating the f*** out of people? It gets boring after a while. WWF from mid-98 to early-00 must not register on your wrestling canon. |
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Post by Mayonnaise on Dec 23, 2012 10:59:52 GMT -5
Why does he need to do more than brawling? What's wrong with a wrestler just beating the f*** out of people? It gets boring after a while. I don't see how but then again I think Goldberg was the drizzling shits and comparing Ryback to him is crazy to put it nicely. |
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Post by BigWill on Dec 23, 2012 11:00:02 GMT -5
It gets boring after a while. WWF from mid-98 to early-00 must not register on your wrestling canon. I wasn't watching at that time, so I have no comment on it. |
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Post by bigbadbull on Dec 23, 2012 11:04:41 GMT -5
Or maybe Ryback needs to know how to actually wrestle and not depend on having to be carried. Just a thought.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2012 11:23:38 GMT -5
Or maybe Ryback needs to know how to actually wrestle and not depend on having to be carried. Just a thought. Logically, any wrestler should have a better match than usual when he/she has a better opponent than usual. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2012 11:25:35 GMT -5
Could be ambrose if they continue with the shied feud. Have him face the others first beating them fairly easily, but Ambrose gives him his biggest challenge to date and Ryback wins a very hard fought victory. They had really good chemistry at TLC. |
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Post by bigbadbull on Dec 23, 2012 11:28:36 GMT -5
Or maybe Ryback needs to know how to actually wrestle and not depend on having to be carried. Just a thought. Logically, any wrestler should have a better match than usual if they get a better opponent than usual. True, but at least he should be a good worker. Even of he's in the ring with someone better, a good worker can hold his own and elevate his game. I've yet to see that from Ryback. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2012 11:35:38 GMT -5
Bryan is no DDP. DDP himself wasn't a mat technician, just a guy who was methodical about planning out his matches before hand.
I think down the line, Barret vs Ryback would end up being that kind of match for Ryback. They could plot out a decent back and forth match. Barrett's a big enough guy that Ryback shouldn't steam roll over him.
The real issue is IF Ryback has the ability to have that kind of match. Goldberg (while no ring general) at least had agility and physicality in the ring along with some MMA training.
Ryback is beast for sure but with very little experience in anything like sports (outside of high school). He did spend 5 years in various developmental leagues so you'd think he'd have something extra in repertoire that would allow him to put on a real match if allowed.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2012 11:37:16 GMT -5
Logically, any wrestler should have a better match than usual if they get a better opponent than usual. True, but at least he should be a good worker. Even of he's in the ring with someone better, a good worker can hold his own and elevate his game. I've yet to see that from Ryback. Exactly. Whatever flaws he has, it's up to him to improve them. If he doesn't, they will be there whether he's wrestling Khali or Daniel Bryan. |
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Post by Main Event Mark on Dec 23, 2012 12:01:02 GMT -5
I liked the 2 (short) meetings so far with Cesaro. I'd like to see more.
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Post by lovingway on Dec 23, 2012 12:03:53 GMT -5
I really thought this was going to be about Ryback doing yoga
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Post by Aaron E. Dangerously on Dec 23, 2012 13:19:37 GMT -5
This is gonna sound stupid, but whatever: you need to have a guy who can beat Ryback with a move so quick, you could reasonably believe Ryback would be affected for three seconds. It doesn't mean Ryback will lose the match/feud, just... I dunno, you need credibility. Because the moment I remember most from DDP/Goldberg? www.youtube.com/watch?v=UekMvH9DorMYou also need a mouthy guy, 'cause Ryback ain't gonna be cutting a lot of promos. Finally, you need a fearless guy. Someone cocky enough to be a little afraid of Ryback, but not run away from the fight. So at the Royal Rumble, when Big Show beats Sheamus for the third time, have DOLPH ZIGGLER cash in his MitB, win the title. Who wins the Royal Rumble? RYBACK. DOLPH ZIGGLER VS. RYBACK FOR THE WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE AT WRESTLEMANIA |
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Post by Rican on Dec 23, 2012 14:03:59 GMT -5
I've always disagreed that Ryback was hotshotted into anything. He was undefeated for months and gradually went from beating jobbers to full time wrestlers. The next logical step was a title shot. If someone is undefeated that long it looks weird that they WOULDN'T get a title shot.
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Post by YiHammer on Dec 23, 2012 14:07:23 GMT -5
I've always disagreed that Ryback was hotshotted into anything. He was undefeated for months and gradually went from beating jobbers to full time wrestlers. The next logical step was a title shot. If someone is undefeated that long it looks weird that they WOULDN'T get a title shot. I don't see how beating no name jobbers half your size should grant you a title shot |
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Post by Rican on Dec 23, 2012 14:10:39 GMT -5
I've always disagreed that Ryback was hotshotted into anything. He was undefeated for months and gradually went from beating jobbers to full time wrestlers. The next logical step was a title shot. If someone is undefeated that long it looks weird that they WOULDN'T get a title shot. I don't see how beating no name jobbers half your size should grant you a title shot He moved on to full time wrestlers after that. Still jobbers mostly but eh, it was a step up. |
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