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Post by Pooh Carlson on Dec 24, 2012 16:20:57 GMT -5
I don't get why some people will buy the AA but couldn't buy the Wasteland, especially when Barrett would generally put more force into the throw than Cena does the AA.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Dec 24, 2012 17:41:52 GMT -5
I don't get why some people will buy the AA but couldn't buy the Wasteland, especially when Barrett would generally put more force into the throw than Cena does the AA. I always prefered Barrett's black hole slam. The Bull Hammer's fine, but I buy it more as a two-count move that occasionally puts away jobbers (think Undertaker's chokeslam).
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 24, 2012 18:05:31 GMT -5
The spin of the F5 makes it look better
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Post by metylerca on Dec 24, 2012 18:16:00 GMT -5
Because Cena does it. Also because John Cena performs the move. He also uses it on his opponents.
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Post by "American Cream" Dusty Loads on Dec 24, 2012 19:02:23 GMT -5
Cuz the F5 is f***ing beautiful and the FU is pretty meh. Though Cena's been able to make it look awesome recently.
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Post by BigBadZ on Dec 24, 2012 19:07:34 GMT -5
I've always loved that Cena's FU was the answer to the Lesnar's F-5 from back when they had that feud (memory is sketchy so I might be wrong about that). I've never hated the FU/AA until that one Slammy Awards where he did an AA from the hood of car and that won 'Holy S@!$' moment over the Evan Bourne-Randy Orton Shooting StaRKO
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Post by Danimal on Dec 25, 2012 0:05:16 GMT -5
They often say "It's just a fireman's carry", as if that was much of a complaint. It's like saying "A DDT is just a facelock and you fall over". You're going to need a better argument than that, or you can just admit your problem is with the one doing it. That is just ridiculous. That the move is just a fireman's carry is a totally legit complaint. Your "well a ddt is just a facelock with a drop" argument is spurious. A firemans carry from about anyone is a lame finisher, could look decent from Bigshow because of the drop but is lame from a "normal" sized wrestler. It isn't about Cena hate. I love Angle but never bought the Angleslam as a good finisher. If Cena did the AA as a death valley driver I'd be fine with it. I could be wrong but I believe it actually started as such and it turned into fireman's carry.
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on Dec 25, 2012 0:06:04 GMT -5
Didnt the AA/FU start as a fireman's carry lift then thrown into a diving reverse DDT, or is my mind making things up?
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 25, 2012 0:13:38 GMT -5
I don't get why some people will buy the AA but couldn't buy the Wasteland, especially when Barrett would generally put more force into the throw than Cena does the AA. At least the AA flips you over, which is just visually more impressive than rolling them off his shoulders. The impact sometimes looked good, but it still looked more like a set-up move.
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Post by r. on Dec 25, 2012 0:25:21 GMT -5
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Post by Malcolm on Dec 25, 2012 0:29:04 GMT -5
Because Cena is the one doing the AA/FU and Brock is the one doing the F5...
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 25, 2012 0:33:02 GMT -5
I've always loved that Cena's FU was the answer to the Lesnar's F-5 from back when they had that feud (memory is sketchy so I might be wrong about that). I've never hated the FU/AA until that one Slammy Awards where he did an AA from the hood of car and that won 'Holy S@!$' moment over the Evan Bourne-Randy Orton Shooting StaRKO Personally, I always though the Shooting StaRKO was pretty meh and one of the least impressive jumping into an ace crusher I've seen, since Randy gets up and had to lean almost all the way over to catch him.
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Post by H-Virus on Dec 25, 2012 0:43:06 GMT -5
You know what I never understood? What was so impressive about the Rock Bottom? It never looked any more painful than a bodyslam or a spinebuster. Hell, when compared to a move like the FU/AA, the opponent didn't even drop as far from the Rock Bottom before hitting the mat.
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Post by The Portable Stove on Dec 25, 2012 0:46:47 GMT -5
Hey, did we say that it's because Cena? Because you know, when Cena throws a punch it looks like crap too. In fact, Cena's pretty damn awful at walking.
It's about impact. The AA can look good depending on who takes it and whether or not Cena's just shrugging them off his shoulders, but lately, as much as I hate the idea of him no-selling, it looks good when he pops right up and goes for the cover right after an AA.
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Post by @TenaciousBe on Dec 25, 2012 1:14:25 GMT -5
If Cena were to use some kid of force behind the move, it would be SO much better. But he doesn't. He just drops the guy off his shoulders, and many times, practically guides him to the mat, lays him gently down and tucks him in ni-night before popping right back up. Brock doesn't just drop the guy, he PULLS him down to the mat like a reverse Diamond Cutter. That's impact.
Doesn't help that Cena's other setup moves are so contrived and hokey. Cena just dropped two shoulder blocks on me? Hmm, I better take a roundhouse swing at him and spin all the way around to face the other direction, no matter who I am or how out of character a roundhouse punch is for me. Same reason I can't stand the 619. Any move (or series of moves) that require an opponent to act completely different from the way they'd react to the same moves any other time are just moronic and intelligence-insulting.
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