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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Dec 29, 2012 9:25:00 GMT -5
Coolie. It's been a minute since someone won the Rumble after coming back from an injury. ... Oh, who am I kidding!?
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Dec 29, 2012 10:03:34 GMT -5
Christian is well past the point where a title push would work, I think, except in smarky towns.
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Post by lewis1711 on Dec 29, 2012 10:46:23 GMT -5
I would mark so hard I'd need hospitalization if he won the rumble or WWE title.
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Post by mrjl on Dec 29, 2012 11:09:37 GMT -5
I've never understood the love the IWC has for Christian You and me both. He's ridiculously bland on the mic and in-ring. Perpetual mid-carder for me. I like perpetual mid-carders.
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Post by The Gambler Fan on Dec 29, 2012 11:11:00 GMT -5
It sucks that two of my favorite wrestlers Rey Mysterio and Christan are both made out of glass. I want them both back for a full year without injuries.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Dec 29, 2012 12:52:07 GMT -5
Due to his age and how injury prone he's become, I think it's safe to say that he's not ever going to be in the main event picture again. He's still a really good worker though who can put on good matches in the midcard and put guys over. I think a feud with Cesaro would be pretty good as I remember them having a great match on Smackdown right before Christian got hurt again.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Dec 29, 2012 12:57:30 GMT -5
You and me both. He's ridiculously bland on the mic and in-ring. Perpetual mid-carder for me. I like perpetual mid-carders. For someone that's been in the company as long as Christian and has done as much as he has, there's no shame in being an over mid-carder.
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Post by Wrestling Curmudgeon on Dec 29, 2012 12:58:42 GMT -5
On the flip side, I never understood the hate for Christian.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Dec 29, 2012 13:05:39 GMT -5
I honestly think creative and Vince hates him for actually being more over than Cena during their little feud. That's when the backlash on Cena came to fruition. He can talk on the mic, is very charismatic, can work, and can be a great face or heel if they actually let him work his character on the mic.
That's the problem with the WWE these days. In my opinion, great wrestlers like a Punk, Christian, Daniel Bryan, etc all become watered down as far as their mic work is concerned.
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Post by BorneAgain on Dec 29, 2012 13:19:57 GMT -5
Its a shame his injuries have limited his stuff in the past couple years because Christian can be quite reliable in whatever role they put him.
Guy was putting on great matches in his ECW title run and was the best babyface of 2009 bar none.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Dec 29, 2012 15:40:36 GMT -5
I honestly think creative and Vince hates him for actually being more over than Cena during their little feud. That's when the backlash on Cena came to fruition. He can talk on the mic, is very charismatic, can work, and can be a great face or heel if they actually let him work his character on the mic. That's the problem with the WWE these days. In my opinion, great wrestlers like a Punk, Christian, Daniel Bryan, etc all become watered down as far as their mic work is concerned. Yeah, Christian needs more mic time. I think that a face version of Captain Charisma could easily be a top face, at least on a Bret Hart/Shawn Michaels level until they find a new "Face of the Company".
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Post by 543Y2J on Dec 29, 2012 15:56:42 GMT -5
I would mark so hard I'd need hospitalization if he won the rumble or WWE title. This On the flip side, I never understood the hate for Christian. and this
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Post by mizerable on Dec 29, 2012 17:00:30 GMT -5
I love how people are talking about his age and how injury prone he is.
He's only a few years older than Punk or Cena. Hell, any wrestler in their mid-30's is usually in the prime of their career and anyone pushing 40 still has opportunities in sight. Hogan, Savage, Kane, Undertaker etc etc. have had title opportunities well past their prime. And Christian can at least still put on some of the most impressive matches of anyone on the roster, until Daniel Bryan came in, he was WWE's best ring general and storyteller since Shawn Michaels.
As far as injuries, from what I've gathered, he could have come back earlier than he was supposed to, but didn't feel like a lackluster feud would do him or his opponent any good. He's only had like a handful of injuries during his entire duration of his career. If he's injury prone, I'd hate to see what people say about John "I fail to ever slow down" Cena. As far as recent injuries, I can only count 3, the pectoral muscle, ankle and the shoulder, which he returned from too soon. For 3 years, that's not exactly "injury prone", he's just more capable of taking time off, because he's not an essential player. If JTG broke his baby toe and had trouble walking on it, they may send him home for the time being if they had nothing for him and didn't feel he was needed, may as well let him rehab it. Hell, Ryback was gone for half a year with a pretty serious ankle injury, look how that turned out.
But in reality, even if Christian was in top shape, 10 years younger and the roster was full of Miz clones, he still wouldn't get a quality push, since Vince has had his mind made up since day 1 that Christian does not have the tools to make it. Nothing will change ol' Vince's mind. I seem to remember Christian's first shirt selling extremely well back in 2004/5...and almost immediately, they discontinued it...for absolutely no reason at all. So even if Christian was getting super over and such, I'd honestly believe that Vince would sabotage losing his own money to prove that he was right.
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Post by saintpat on Dec 29, 2012 17:07:17 GMT -5
Christians body must be seriously banged up by this point and it's kinda sad. I love Christian and respect him, but a guy his caliber should not be used in random mid card matches. His lack of durability makes it less likely that he'll do anything else. Makes no sense to put the strap on someone who will likely be injured again before any kind of title run can really get started. And let's be serious, he's a midcard talent. Good worker but not a main eventer. He's Robin to Edge's Batman, and don't forget he left for TNA -- something that might not make management inclined to push him.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2012 17:18:18 GMT -5
Yep Wasn't he IC Champ for one of those matches as well or is it just me? I've never understood the love the IWC has for Christian He's hit or miss for me, but when he's in the right situation, Christian can be really effective. He's at his best as a cocky heel champion that gets a lot of mic time and isn't booked like a total wuss. The thing is, in WWE heels are booked as total wusses, and Vince seems to view Christian more as a slimy whiny heel than a jerk that will step up to the plate and then outsmart you and leave you laying, which he's great at portraying. His TNA run sold me on just how good he can be. There's also little things like what great bumps he takes and how he puts his matches together inserting his many signature spots in different ways all the time and playing off the audience's expectations. I find him incredibly talented, but in WWE the last few years he's been pretty damn boring character-wise. I'm realizing more that it's not necessarily the wrestler's fault these days.
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Post by mizerable on Dec 29, 2012 17:18:29 GMT -5
His lack of durability makes it less likely that he'll do anything else. Makes no sense to put the strap on someone who will likely be injured again before any kind of title run can really get started. That never stopped them from putting the belt on Edge or Orton; two guys who have had around the same amount of injuries, if not more than Christian. As far as the TNA thing, it was the best move Christian made. In fact, WWE probably took notice of his ability to be THE guy...and he did make TNA the most enjoyable experience during it's 10 year run. When he left, it started to suck again. And coming back to WWE, he did get a steady push with the ECW title and was a pretty good champion, putting on great matches and so forth...but once it was over, Vince lost interest (maybe he didn't watch ECWWE to begin with) and regulated him to back up midcard face. It's not that he can't do it, because he totally could. He's just never been given the opportunity...and he never will.
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Post by HBL on Dec 29, 2012 17:19:48 GMT -5
I hope somehow he is involved in a World title program of some sorts or at least high profile feuds. The guy has to be one of the most under appreciated wrestlers in history,the guy still can have solid matches with absolutely anybody yet people still go ''Age,injury prone!''
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Post by mizerable on Dec 29, 2012 17:33:26 GMT -5
I've never understood the love the IWC has for Christian I'm not going to sell you on a guy who does it all for me when it comes to wrestling, but while I'll agree that he isn't a marquee WWE guy, he's still insanely good at his craft. I've always felt he's the kind of dependable defunct champion, whenever they need to build someone up quickly. I think when someone says he's "overrated", it's just a generalized way of saying that they just don't personally like him, and that's fine. But it's going to be hard to find 5 better workers in the WWE. And while he isn't a major promo guy (I still think he's better than Edge), he can get his point across, and I always found his sleazy cheesy attitude amusing. Even recently, he had moments of goodness, just by the way he sold something. When he was given a match against Cena, he had this big smirk shoot across his face, he followed it up with "is it for the title?", which is something Christian would totally be asking, then the follow up tantrum worked as well. Maybe it's not your thing, but whatever...he amuses me more than 80% of the roster.
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Post by saintpat on Dec 29, 2012 17:45:21 GMT -5
His lack of durability makes it less likely that he'll do anything else. Makes no sense to put the strap on someone who will likely be injured again before any kind of title run can really get started. That never stopped them from putting the belt on Edge or Orton; two guys who have had around the same amount of injuries, if not more than Christian. I believe Orton's injuries have kept him down quite a bit in the last couple of years. Christian apears to be breaking down, and I think they realize this. He also IMO has never been nearly as over as either Orton or Edge as a solo act. More upside to pushing them. I have been amazed the last few years when people come on here and talk about how over Christian is at any given time when I see the same matches and the crowd isn't popping at all for him and looks completely dead.
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Post by Legion on Dec 29, 2012 17:52:33 GMT -5
I've never understood the love the IWC has for Christian You and me both. He's ridiculously bland on the mic and in-ring. Perpetual mid-carder for me. And thirded here. I just can't stand the guy. The fact this his nickname is Captain Charisma is like, the height of irony for me as I find him one of the blandest guys they have. He's solid, but not exceptional in ring and his mic work seems to require someone with, and here's the irony, more charisma than him to bounce off to be effective. When he returns he should be a simple JTTS as he's creeping up in years and doesnt really have anything to add, where as WWE has been doing quite well at bringing in new potential stars at present. That or they should release him for being injury prone and he can return to the small pond where they are bound to push him for a bit before Hogan gets bored of him.
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