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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Feb 14, 2013 20:22:48 GMT -5
so how long before Joker stops running around with his severed/re-attached face? it just seems like a needlessly silly development that you could've told the story without. {Spoiler}He fell down a cave and the face went flying away. He's coming back with his face completely intact. I'm sure of it Because comics.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Feb 14, 2013 22:18:39 GMT -5
{Spoiler}He fell down a cave and the face went flying away. He's coming back with his face completely intact. I'm sure of it Because comics. Well after a while, wouldn't your body create new skin anyway? It'd be like scar tissue skin, but I think it'd definitely scab over and repair itself.
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Post by mjolnir on Feb 14, 2013 22:21:04 GMT -5
Well after a while, wouldn't your body create new skin anyway? It'd be like scar tissue skin, but I think it'd definitely scab over and repair itself. In theory, if you didn't die from the shock of having your face ripped off, I suppose so. But given the fact that he's been gone for a year and it still hadn't...begs the question if he had been purposely ensuring it didn't. Which if you think about it is just...ew.
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Post by Thaal Sinestro on Feb 14, 2013 22:36:26 GMT -5
It's the f***ing Joker.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Feb 15, 2013 11:29:37 GMT -5
it's still stupid, though. I could buy a supervillain with some sort of superpowers or whose an alien or something surviving it, but Joker's just a normal human being. he'd die. same thing with stupid-ass Ultimate Red Skull (not that it matters because they killed him off in his first appearance anyway).
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Post by Thaal Sinestro on Feb 15, 2013 11:34:30 GMT -5
I'm not saying it wasn't stoopid. Just responding to the "Purposely ensuring" thing.
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Post by Citizen Snips on Feb 16, 2013 17:11:20 GMT -5
it's still stupid, though. I could buy a supervillain with some sort of superpowers or whose an alien or something surviving it, but Joker's just a normal human being. he'd die. same thing with stupid-ass Ultimate Red Skull (not that it matters because they killed him off in his first appearance anyway). Some people have a theory that after being dropped in a vat of acid and messing around with all his various toxins and poisons over the years have given Joker as strong an immune system as a normal person could ever have. Maybe the face-ripping can be hand-waved with that.
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Post by MasonK565 on Feb 16, 2013 17:19:20 GMT -5
{Spoiler} Honestly, I am glad no one was killed in DotF. Joker won, without having to kill anyone. The fact that someone has to die to make something major is getting old. And most of the hype about someone dying was coming from fans themselves. SPOILER TAG!!!!! My apologies. Changed it.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Feb 16, 2013 22:06:31 GMT -5
anyone else think the Hubbub about DC wanting to kill off Damian is because his existence pokes holes in the "5 years" thing?
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Post by mjolnir on Feb 16, 2013 22:13:05 GMT -5
Yeah, which even then they've tried to tip toe around, saying that it's only five years active in the public eye.
Either way, it makes Bruce's legacy of Robins seem really confusing and weird.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Feb 16, 2013 22:19:02 GMT -5
"5 years" was just a bad idea to begin with. it's too little time to include all the things they wanted to include. they shoulda went with 10 years or something. or better yet, DON'T f***ING TIMESTAMP EVERYTHING.
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Post by mjolnir on Feb 16, 2013 22:29:48 GMT -5
But then how do we have a younger Batm-
*notices Dick Grayson as Batman*
Oh...Right. A younger Batman that brought a more light hearted, at times, vibe and refreshing change to the stories. Where he wasn't a completely damaged character that most writers turn into a God Mod'ing Grump and had his own interesting internal issues. As well as had an original take of the Batman and Robin dynamic with Damian by his side.
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Post by Jiren on Feb 16, 2013 22:36:17 GMT -5
I miss the Grayson era Batman.
They could have carried that on post "Return" and have Bruce be Bruce for a while and let Richard & Damian be the dynamic duo.
But NO we can't have something good can we DC, I've enjoyed the New52 o far but I still feel the "Pre Flashpoint" niverse had alot of mileage left
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Post by mjolnir on Feb 16, 2013 22:53:56 GMT -5
I feel like the DC universe, in alot of ways, was really hitting it's stride before the reboot. Maybe not a new golden era, but there were so many solid to great titles with really interesting developments and enriching legacies added to them. I even liked the Batman Inc. idea, where Bruce took a back seat and became almost like a more global based Oracle type figure to the rest of his crew. It was a nice, logical evolution of the character without stepping on Dick's toes.
Flash (Wally freakin' West!), Batman (Dick Grayson) & Robin (Damian), Red Robin, Booster, Secret Six, Superman, Green Lantern, so many great titles that were flushed down the toilet thanks to the reboot. Admittedly GL suffered probably the least out of the lot of them, but still.
I think the issue is a matter of, if things had floundered or gone to the crapper, nobody would've cared too much about the reboot happening. The problem comes from the fact that there was just so much potential DC was on the cusp of, then decided to say screw it, and tried to (sorta) go back to square one. While still trying to give themselves an obvious out in case they completely shit the bed and making it apparent they weren't entirely committing to this idea.
I'm still a little bitter Tim & Dick & Wally, three of my favorite comic characters, were messed with.
I guess on the bright side, Jason Todd's been...kinda(?) getting redemption through this reboot, being written as less of a whiny psychopath and with more shades of gray. Even if the other two characters he co-stars with have been mercilessly butchered like two sacrificial lambs set-up for the slaughter to some elder deity. And, Green Lantern & Superman and Batman overall have been enjoyable since it happened.
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Post by andrew8798 on Feb 16, 2013 23:25:53 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2013 23:28:57 GMT -5
I doubt in every sense of the MultiVerse they make that choice and stick with it....BUT if there was even a sliver of a chance they did...thats pretty f***ing huge.
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Post by stinger on Feb 17, 2013 1:22:02 GMT -5
Even though I know he most likely won't stay dead, I REALLY hope this turns out to not be true. Something tells me that if they were planning something like this, they wouldn't spoil it a year before it happens. Kind of takes the shock value away, doesn't it?
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Post by Legion on Feb 17, 2013 6:07:37 GMT -5
The one good thing about the revolving door of death at Marvel is that when they do it and stick with it for a bit, it does at least give the character a little rest.
A year off from Wolverine being everywhere would be nice
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Post by stinger on Feb 17, 2013 8:49:04 GMT -5
The one good thing about the revolving door of death at Marvel is that when they do it and stick with it for a bit, it does at least give the character a little rest. A year off from Wolverine being everywhere would be nice I don't understand this sentiment. If you don't want to read about a character, don't buy their books. You could easily avoid Wolverine, Savage Wolverine, and Wolverine and the X-Men if you want. And he hasn't even been a major part of Hickman's Avengers so far. Does it just annoy you to see the books on the shelf? I don't get it.
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Post by Jiren on Feb 17, 2013 9:09:19 GMT -5
As I don't read Marvel on a monthly basis (I trade wait) I can only guess Wolverine Is to Marvel what Batman is to DC.
- Detective Comics - Batman - Batman Inc - Batman & Robin - Batman: The Dark Knight
Not to mention Justice League & the many non Bat titles he's featured in from time to time.
It's just TOO much, But as I said just a guess
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