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Post by BigWill on Dec 30, 2012 15:37:14 GMT -5
I remember at least a few stories of Undertaker asking to lose at Mania but Vince wouldn't allow it.
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Post by norsisclouds on Dec 30, 2012 15:40:00 GMT -5
Not everyone gets along backstage, especially where pushes are involved. These days I tend to think that Michelle is telling the truth in that she ddin't ask for Laycool to constantly go over and get favorable booking. I think if there was any politicking going on it had to do with someone higher up than her always going for it in her favor without her knowledge, similar to the way Trish talked about one of the writers always being on her side in meetings and pushing for her to get stories.
There was even a former writer who gave an interview and said that he volunteered himself pushed to almost be her personal writer, and was constantly writing and pitching ideas for Michelle/Laycool because he thought she was awesomesaucetastic.
I think it might happen a similar way with the male wrestlers, but I almost wonder if some of this overt fascination the writers get with the women is...well...I hope it's not creepy.
I actually think Eve has a lot of fans backstage and doesn't politic for anything, and that's why she's always getting these pushes.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2012 15:50:45 GMT -5
I'm actually surprised that nobody is talking about these various interviews from Michelle. Granted I've only read this one and the one about Melina, but both are interesting reads, because Michelle seems pretty candid in what she talks about. Nothing overtly controversial, though here she calls Beth's professionalism into question somewhat.
I really suggest reading all of them. Actually, I might paste each one here in different threads periodically, just so people catch wind of what each one is about.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2012 15:55:26 GMT -5
I'm actually surprised that nobody is talking about these various interviews from Michelle. Granted I've only read this one and the one about Melina, but both are interesting reads, because Michelle seems pretty candid in what she talks about. Nothing overtly controversial, though here she calls Beth's professionalism into question somewhat. I really suggest reading all of them. Actually, I might paste each one here in different threads periodically, just so people catch wind of what each one is about. Actually, you're not missing much. All the others are basically just "_______ was such a sweetheart, and I loved working with her".
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Post by The Ichi on Dec 30, 2012 16:43:31 GMT -5
Laycool were embarrassed all the time. That's why they were my favorite, they weren't afraid to be made to look foolish or stupid or weak. They also had characters that went beyond "I'm a face diva, I smile a lot!" and "I'm a heel diva, I look angry!". Laycool may have been the one time I liked the divas division.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2012 17:14:06 GMT -5
Laycool were embarrassed all the time. That's why they were my favorite, they weren't afraid to be made to look foolish or stupid or weak. They also had characters that went beyond "I'm a face diva, I smile a lot!" and "I'm a heel diva, I look angry!". Laycool may have been the one time I liked the divas division. Most heel Divas are like Laycool. It's the ones who aren't arrogant and/or goofy that are the exception.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2012 17:17:01 GMT -5
I'm actually surprised that nobody is talking about these various interviews from Michelle. Granted I've only read this one and the one about Melina, but both are interesting reads, because Michelle seems pretty candid in what she talks about. Nothing overtly controversial, though here she calls Beth's professionalism into question somewhat. I really suggest reading all of them. Actually, I might paste each one here in different threads periodically, just so people catch wind of what each one is about. Actually, you're not missing much. All the others are basically just "_______ was such a sweetheart, and I loved working with her". That's the point. Every story, even the Kelly and Melina ones, either talk about how nice a person is or how much of a pro they are, or both. I think people could use some good news instead of some scandalmongering crap.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2012 17:31:15 GMT -5
Actually, you're not missing much. All the others are basically just "_______ was such a sweetheart, and I loved working with her". That's the point. Every story, even the Kelly and Melina ones, either talk about how nice a person is or how much of a pro they are, or both. I think people could use some good news instead of some scandalmongering crap. Those don't get brought up because there's really not much to discuss. You can't say "I don't think she should have been friends with ______", not is it going to make anyone think "Well, I thought _______ was a lousy wrestler, but I guess I can't anymore since I now know that Michelle thought she was good."
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Post by Marvelously Mediocre on Dec 30, 2012 17:33:40 GMT -5
That's the point. Every story, even the Kelly and Melina ones, either talk about how nice a person is or how much of a pro they are, or both. I think people could use some good news instead of some scandalmongering crap. Those don't get brought up because there's really not much to discuss. You can't say "I don't think she should have been friends with ______", not is it going to make anyone think "Well, I thought _______ was a lousy wrestler, but I guess I can't anymore since I now know that Michelle thought she was good." It would at least help to dispel the rumours that she's this evil politicking bitch who was horrible to other divas.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Dec 30, 2012 17:39:49 GMT -5
Those don't get brought up because there's really not much to discuss. You can't say "I don't think she should have been friends with ______", not is it going to make anyone think "Well, I thought _______ was a lousy wrestler, but I guess I can't anymore since I now know that Michelle thought she was good." It would at least help to dispel the rumours that she's this evil politicking bitch who was horrible to other divas. I never heard these rumors from other divas, it was always random fans who assumed that Michelle got pushed because of her association with The Undertaker. I remember Maria in her YouShoot saying how Michelle was the hardest working diva in the WWE and was constantly trying to get better before and after the shows.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2012 17:40:07 GMT -5
Those don't get brought up because there's really not much to discuss. You can't say "I don't think she should have been friends with ______", not is it going to make anyone think "Well, I thought _______ was a lousy wrestler, but I guess I can't anymore since I now know that Michelle thought she was good." It would at least help to dispel the rumours that she's this evil politicking bitch who was horrible to other divas. Who admits to burying other wrestlers, and if they do, who admits it without trying to defend it or putting their own spin on it?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2012 17:40:33 GMT -5
They did lose a ton though, especially the last 3-4 months. Natalya and Beth steamrolled them. The Bellas beat them in that infamous mic'd up match clean and that was when the Bellas weren't even pushed. OT but I just find it hilarious/impressive that you remember the result of that match, and that it was a clean win. This isn't a really big issue. Michelle McCool kind of doesn't like Beth Phoenix. Feeling may be mutual. If Beth held her arms on the Glam Slam and injured her purposely, that's not cool. Anyways, Michelle McCool coming back would instantly improve the Divas division. Once she turned heel she got really good. I actually prefer her to Beth.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Dec 30, 2012 17:41:19 GMT -5
I remember at least a few stories of Undertaker asking to lose at Mania but Vince wouldn't allow it. The only one I've heard of is Orton. Which would have been the perfect way to end the streak to that point.
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Post by Sparkybob on Dec 30, 2012 17:44:36 GMT -5
I remember at least a few stories of Undertaker asking to lose at Mania but Vince wouldn't allow it. The only one I've heard of is Orton. Which would have been the perfect way to end the streak to that point. and Kane as well. Also herd vince might have wanted Henry to go over taker as well.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Dec 30, 2012 17:45:36 GMT -5
The only one I've heard of is Orton. Which would have been the perfect way to end the streak to that point. and Kane as well. Also herd vince might have wanted Henry to go over taker as well. Vince wanted that? That's interesting. Don't think I've heard of that one.
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Post by Sparkybob on Dec 30, 2012 17:47:40 GMT -5
and Kane as well. Also herd vince might have wanted Henry to go over taker as well. Vince wanted that? That's interesting. Don't think I've heard of that one. It just something I heard a while ago, so I can't be 100% certain that that is true.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Dec 30, 2012 17:49:33 GMT -5
Here's the Glam Slam in question: www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZSh4ypmiGEI'm gonna take more looks at it, as it definitely was odd. It looks like it was Beth's fault. The reason I'm gonna side with Michelle on this was yes, Michelle didn't have time to unhook her arms and neither did Beth, but it seemed Beth went way too fast and she wasn't expecting it. I think it was simply miscommunication, with Beth holding up Michelle too long. I'm sure Beth feels that Michelle didn't unhook her arms, but it looked like Michelle didn't see it coming so quickly. www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyYPlW1IBFUHere's a Glam Slam on Michelle that wasn't botched. I guess as well, Michelle was right because you can clearly see Beth release her arms and quickly grab hold of Michelle's waist. But yeah, Beth is likely in the wrong here.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2012 17:56:30 GMT -5
Seems pretty cut and dry. Beth didn't let go of Michelle's arms like she did every other time she did the move, so Michelle hit the mat head/face first rather than hands-first and got a concussion. 100% Beth's fault.
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Post by norsisclouds on Dec 30, 2012 18:02:41 GMT -5
That's the point. Every story, even the Kelly and Melina ones, either talk about how nice a person is or how much of a pro they are, or both. I think people could use some good news instead of some scandalmongering crap. Those don't get brought up because there's really not much to discuss. You can't say "I don't think she should have been friends with ______", not is it going to make anyone think "Well, I thought _______ was a lousy wrestler, but I guess I can't anymore since I now know that Michelle thought she was good." I think it is just a great example of how we as fans tend to take the most salacious, sensational stories and run with them instead of acknowledging the more tame and pleasant stories about the wrestlers. They are useful for that reason. Personally, I tend to take someone's word a lot more seriously if they say kind and professional things about 8 of the 10 people that they worked with, and only bad things about 2 of the people they worked with...that means that either they had a personal grudge against those individuals, or maybe that person, taken together with others is just rotten. Melina in particular has a bad reputation among fans because of ONE interview, and ONE incident that involved her boyfriend, and not HER and then other interviews where people sung her praises repeatedly. It's kind of telling which reputation has stuck over the years, the one that's more fun to tell jokes about.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2012 18:10:27 GMT -5
Those don't get brought up because there's really not much to discuss. You can't say "I don't think she should have been friends with ______", not is it going to make anyone think "Well, I thought _______ was a lousy wrestler, but I guess I can't anymore since I now know that Michelle thought she was good." I think it is just a great example of how we as fans tend to take the most salacious, sensational stories and run with them instead of acknowledging the more tame and pleasant stories about the wrestlers. They are useful for that reason. Personally, I tend to take someone's word a lot more seriously if they say kind and professional things about 8 of the 10 people that they worked with, and only bad things about 2 of the people they worked with...that means that either they had a personal grudge against those individuals, or maybe that person, taken together with others is just rotten. Melina in particular has a bad reputation among fans because of ONE interview, and ONE incident that involved her boyfriend, and not HER and then other interviews where people sung her praises repeatedly. It's kind of telling which reputation has stuck over the years, the one that's more fun to tell jokes about. For a lot of wrestlers, you can get polar opposite answers depending on you ask and their personal experience with the wrestler in question. Bobby Heenan on Hulk Hogan: liked him; didn't mind letting the boys use his big, private dressing room Raven on Hogan: a "piece of s***" ; would go into WCW booking meetings and trash the midcarders. Ask McCool and Miss Tessmacher about Melina, and you'll get two very different responses.
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