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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2013 6:52:52 GMT -5
I absolutely loved this segment. Punk and Heyman wasn't all that good at first, but their chemistry has evolved really well and now it's evident that they're this smarmy 2 man spin machine that leeches off each other. Punk wants his ass kissed and have someone to deal with the red tape, and Heyman wants to ride Punk's coattails and make $$$. Their little off-mic comments are great too, it fleshes out their personalities and makes them more believable.
For his part, Vince came off like a reasonable authority figure with just enough of that OTT Mr. McMahon character. His demeanor reminded me of his dealings with Austin in the beginning of their feud, the calmer voice and the respect shown to Punk. A lot of people around here want that Jack Tunney figure, and if Vince keeps it dialed back and only shows up once in a while he'd be the ideal man for that role.
The segment told a good story too, you had Punk with his maybe quack doctor showing that he's unable to compete, which Punk acted really upset about. Then Heyman flipping out on Vince for accusing Punk of weasling out of things, then regaining his composure and apologizing. I really like the story that Punk and Heyman want it all. They want all success, power, money, prestige, and they're willing to maniuplate everything to do it, but they still want to walk that line and act like they're in the right.
I don't know, it's interesting stuff. Sorry for rambling.
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Post by CourtesyFlush on Jan 1, 2013 7:21:06 GMT -5
Different strokes for different folks I guess! I thought that segment was as boring as christmas tree lights that don't blink. The only good thing that happened on RAW was when Heyman told Brad Mad DOX to get out of Punks locker room.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2013 7:23:35 GMT -5
Different strokes for different folks I guess! I thought that segment was as boring as christmas tree lights that don't blink. The only good thing that happened on RAW was when Heyman told Brad Mad DOX to get out of Punks locker room. Ohhh, what's wrong, not enough catchphrases or 5 moves of doom for you, you casual fan?  And dude...Christmas lights don't blink anymore, the 90s are over. |
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Post by CourtesyFlush on Jan 1, 2013 7:27:22 GMT -5
I'm not here to start a fight! I'm just saying RAW was kinda crappy today. I definitely ain't tuning in to see Cena! Punk's the best thing going but his 30 minute promo's every episode is just to much.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2013 7:36:46 GMT -5
Haha I was just messing around man.
but seriously the 90s are over, and it sucks but they're never ever ever coming back.
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Post by CourtesyFlush on Jan 1, 2013 7:42:08 GMT -5
Actually, I just checked Amazon.com and they sell blinking lights! LOL. I saw blinking lights on a christmas tree the other night to, so their still around. If its possible, you should change the name of this thread to no more blinking lights. It should go 15 pages long easy. I know I'll be all in that crap!
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Post by mrjl on Jan 1, 2013 8:28:30 GMT -5
Haha I was just messing around man. but seriously the 90s are over, and it sucks but they're never ever ever coming back. I'm just pissed people are trying to bring back the 90's before the 80's had their chance. That's why I'm appreciating Cody Rhodes right now. |
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Post by sunnytaker on Jan 1, 2013 10:22:42 GMT -5
Haha I was just messing around man. but seriously the 90s are over, and it sucks but they're never ever ever coming back. hey the 2090s are right around the corner! and somehow i think that ends with Maddox spilling the beans about his involvement with heyman and/or punk to get a contract |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2013 11:30:28 GMT -5
It just came off like a lot of other McMahon/WWE face promos.
Unnecessarily bullying heels. I mean, if CM Punk doesn't wrestle Ryback on RAW - he'll heal up eventually and will wrestle him then, putting Heyman - not a wrestler - in a match with Ryback just seems vindictive and petty.
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Post by Cronant on Jan 1, 2013 11:32:29 GMT -5
It just came off like a lot of other McMahon/WWE face promos. Unnecessarily bullying heels. I mean, if CM Punk doesn't wrestle Ryback on RAW - he'll heal up eventually and will wrestle him then, putting Heyman - not a wrestler - in a match with Ryback just seems vindictive and petty. CM Punk hasn't defended the WWE title in well over 30 days. Its Vince's top prize, he SHOULD be concerned about how healthy Punk really is, or when he can defend the belt. Honestly, Vince is being nice by not outright stripping him of the title. Sorry man, "Poor old Punk" just isn't working here. Any other champ would have been stripped. We know the only reason its not happening is Rock/Punk. |
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Post by CM Dazz on Jan 1, 2013 11:57:31 GMT -5
I liked that the doctor was named after the Chicago promoter I talked to when I had aspirations of becoming a rassler. YES! WCPW!! |
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Post by tigermaskxxxvii on Jan 1, 2013 12:14:37 GMT -5
What I love about Heyman, and Heenan was great at this too was when they were hyping up their charge they came off as a complete mark for the person they were managing. Which is a great heel move. Here is someone everyone hates and he is accompanied by someone who acts like his one man fan club. The best example of this would be Heyman's one year anniversary as WWE Champion celebration for Punk.
I also love the off mic pow-wows between Punk and Heyman, with their coversation in which they weigh the pros and cons about Punk continue wrestling in a tag team match or to abandon Dolph Ziggler. I just loved how they calmly conversed as if they weren't in a large arena and being filmed on a national TV show.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Jan 1, 2013 12:42:54 GMT -5
It just came off like a lot of other McMahon/WWE face promos. Unnecessarily bullying heels. I mean, if CM Punk doesn't wrestle Ryback on RAW - he'll heal up eventually and will wrestle him then, putting Heyman - not a wrestler - in a match with Ryback just seems vindictive and petty. Though, to be fair, Vince only put Heyman in that situation when Paul E. decided to insult him for being a "flesh peddling promoter". |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2013 13:13:07 GMT -5
It just came off like a lot of other McMahon/WWE face promos. Unnecessarily bullying heels. I mean, if CM Punk doesn't wrestle Ryback on RAW - he'll heal up eventually and will wrestle him then, putting Heyman - not a wrestler - in a match with Ryback just seems vindictive and petty. CM Punk hasn't defended the WWE title in well over 30 days. Its Vince's top prize, he SHOULD be concerned about how healthy Punk really is, or when he can defend the belt. Honestly, Vince is being nice by not outright stripping him of the title. Sorry man, "Poor old Punk" just isn't working here. Any other champ would have been stripped. We know the only reason its not happening is Rock/Punk. Then strip him of the title, that would at least make sense and wouldn't be outright bullying. Though I think there have been times when Cena hadn't defended the title in 30 days and not a peep came down from management. Putting a non-wrestling manager in a match against a beast is a pretty heelish thing to do. It's not so much "poor ol' Punk" but just bad characterization from people who are supposed to be the face. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2013 13:26:59 GMT -5
It just came off like a lot of other McMahon/WWE face promos. Unnecessarily bullying heels. I mean, if CM Punk doesn't wrestle Ryback on RAW - he'll heal up eventually and will wrestle him then, putting Heyman - not a wrestler - in a match with Ryback just seems vindictive and petty. Though, to be fair, Vince only put Heyman in that situation when Paul E. decided to insult him for being a "flesh peddling promoter". Oh I agree, which is why I said it seemed vindictive and petty. I hope that we get Punk v Ryback though. Between the Rock being on RAW and the idea of Ryback v Heyman - it makes me want to skip it altogether. |
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Post by Cronant on Jan 1, 2013 13:29:17 GMT -5
CM Punk hasn't defended the WWE title in well over 30 days. Its Vince's top prize, he SHOULD be concerned about how healthy Punk really is, or when he can defend the belt. Honestly, Vince is being nice by not outright stripping him of the title. Sorry man, "Poor old Punk" just isn't working here. Any other champ would have been stripped. We know the only reason its not happening is Rock/Punk. Then strip him of the title, that would at least make sense and wouldn't be outright bullying. Though I think there have been times when Cena hadn't defended the title in 30 days and not a peep came down from management. Putting a non-wrestling manager in a match against a beast is a pretty heelish thing to do. It's not so much "poor ol' Punk" but just bad characterization from people who are supposed to be the face. Punk would have bitched more about getting the title stripped. And you'd still would have said something about mean old Vince and how it isn't fair. And I can't think of many times Cena went 30 days without defending the title. Seriously, what are you talking about? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2013 13:35:09 GMT -5
Then strip him of the title, that would at least make sense and wouldn't be outright bullying. Though I think there have been times when Cena hadn't defended the title in 30 days and not a peep came down from management. Putting a non-wrestling manager in a match against a beast is a pretty heelish thing to do. It's not so much "poor ol' Punk" but just bad characterization from people who are supposed to be the face. Punk would have bitched more about getting the title stripped. And you'd still would have said something about mean old Vince and how it isn't fair. And I can't think of many times Cena went 30 days without defending the title. Seriously, what are you talking about? Sure it's fair. Punk can't defend - he can't defend. That's different than putting a non-wrestler in a match with a dominant guy like Ryback. & we all know that 30 days rule is only enforced when it's convenient for them. It's like 'closed fist' DQ rule. |
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Post by Cronant on Jan 1, 2013 13:37:43 GMT -5
Punk would have bitched more about getting the title stripped. And you'd still would have said something about mean old Vince and how it isn't fair. And I can't think of many times Cena went 30 days without defending the title. Seriously, what are you talking about? Sure it's fair. Punk can't defend - he can't defend. That's different than putting a non-wrestler in a match with a dominant guy like Ryback. & we all know that 30 days rule is only enforced when it's convenient for them. It's like 'closed fist' DQ rule. Eh, he's actually giving Punk a shot to keep it, and considering how much the title reign length means to him, he's being nice. Seriously, he could just show up say "You're reign is over" take and tell Punk to go home. At least now Punk has a chance to escape. And still, I think Cena always defended on the next PPV, unless you're talking about a Survivor Series match or something. Either way, he never just sat out a PPV while champ due to injury. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2013 13:40:08 GMT -5
Sure it's fair. Punk can't defend - he can't defend. That's different than putting a non-wrestler in a match with a dominant guy like Ryback. & we all know that 30 days rule is only enforced when it's convenient for them. It's like 'closed fist' DQ rule. Eh, he's actually giving Punk a shot to keep it, and considering how much the title reign length means to him, he's being nice. Seriously, he could just show up say "You're reign is over" take and tell Punk to go home. At least now Punk has a chance to escape. And still, I think Cena always defended on the next PPV, unless you're talking about a Survivor Series match or something. Either way, he never just sat out a PPV while champ due to injury. No, that's a good point. I think it's one of those, "The WWE universe wants to see Punk vs Ryback." kind of moves which makes sense. It was more him threatening to put Heyman in the match. It feels like something a heel GM would do to a face unless he wrestles the match (even when injured). I just think WWE really needs to work on how they characterize their heel/face dynamic. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2013 17:54:20 GMT -5
What I love about Heyman, and Heenan was great at this too was when they were hyping up their charge they came off as a complete mark for the person they were managing. Which is a great heel move. Here is someone everyone hates and he is accompanied by someone who acts like his one man fan club. The best example of this would be Heyman's one year anniversary as WWE Champion celebration for Punk. I also love the off mic pow-wows between Punk and Heyman, with their coversation in which they weigh the pros and cons about Punk continue wrestling in a tag team match or to abandon Dolph Ziggler. I just loved how they calmly conversed as if they weren't in a large arena and being filmed on a national TV show. The Heenan comparison is a good one. The chemistry with Heyman as a complete mark for Punk probably works better because Heyman was a big supporter of Punk in OVW and ECW. He just has to exaggerate a little bit and voila! Sweet, sweet heeldom. |
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