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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jan 2, 2013 14:35:57 GMT -5
This starts and ends with Sheamus. The conventional way of thinking, is that an 18 seconds win at WM would get him HUGE over. It failed. The following 2 months where he as booed, they kept him off RAW (for the most part), and piped in cheers for him; at the same time, they were doing the opposite to DB, and editing the "YES" chants out. To this day they still shove that goofy gimmick down our throats, and his jokes bomb every time. I think it would've worked if it were ANYONE other than Daniel Bryan. They were pissed that Bryan was "buried" and took it out on Sheamus. If it was someone who wasn't an "IWC favorite" getting squashed in 18 seconds, then Sheamus would've been cheered. |
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Post by JTH on Jan 2, 2013 14:56:20 GMT -5
Drew McIntyre: To me the perfect example of a guy the bookers liked and were hell bent on pushing at all costs despite the fans not caring. Never got over despite getting a huge push in 09-010 as Vince's chosen one where he was undefeated for seven months, beatdown babyfaces on a seemingly weekly basis, dominated several feuds, and won the IC title despite having no heat or good matches to speak of. Even after losing the IC title they still pushed him pretty strong with his feud with Teddy Long that was heavily featured and got tons of TV time on Smackdown through most of 2010. By this point he had at least turned into a pretty good worker and was having a lot of good matches with Kofi and Christian, but he still wasn't over enough to warrant the push he was getting. By the end of the year even the bookers gave up on him and he's been pretty much a jobber ever since. Drew McIntyre probably is the ultimate example of a guy that the more he got over, the less he got pushed. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2013 15:04:21 GMT -5
The bad part about "18 seconds" is I remember there being a lot of excitement over the idea of Bryan and Sheamus being able to finally showcase their talent on the grand stage after being bumped off the card at WM27. What we got did nothing but piss people off.
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Post by donbot on Jan 16, 2013 21:54:00 GMT -5
Drew McIntyre: To me the perfect example of a guy the bookers liked and were hell bent on pushing at all costs despite the fans not caring. Never got over despite getting a huge push in 09-010 as Vince's chosen one where he was undefeated for seven months, beatdown babyfaces on a seemingly weekly basis, dominated several feuds, and won the IC title despite having no heat or good matches to speak of. Even after losing the IC title they still pushed him pretty strong with his feud with Teddy Long that was heavily featured and got tons of TV time on Smackdown through most of 2010. By this point he had at least turned into a pretty good worker and was having a lot of good matches with Kofi and Christian, but he still wasn't over enough to warrant the push he was getting. By the end of the year even the bookers gave up on him and he's been pretty much a jobber ever since. Drew McIntyre probably is the ultimate example of a guy that the more he got over, the less he got pushed. I heard that after he lost the IC title, he was getting somewhat over. Guess that goes to show that if WWE stops shoving things down the fans throats, they'll start to appreciate it more, but when they do, they'll pull the plug on something. I'm suprised fans have stopped watching in protest because of this. As far as another example of failing to get over, Alberto Del Rio. I mean, within months of his debut, he wins the Royal Rumble, headlines Wrestlemania, wins the Money in The Bank, and then becomes WWE champion on two occasions. All that effort and his RING ANNOUNCER gets more of a reaction than he does. Though with his recent World Title push, he is starting to get over as a face, but I still don't think the overness he has justifies his past "accomplishments." If WWE wants someone to get over so bad, they should put them in a competitive feud for the IC/US title, and if it works, have them win the title and go from there. Would Jack Swagger count? I don't think he was very over when he won the World Heavyweight Championship, and his poor title reign certainly didn't help. |
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Post by joebob27 on Jan 16, 2013 21:58:24 GMT -5
Triple H as "the" guy. While still a huge star, one would only need to look at the dismal business done during that time period to realize that he wasn't the one to carry a company. This could apply to Shawn Michaels as well. With Michaels? I don't think so as he was still a huge match draw late in his career. I do see merit in what you are saying with Triple H with a few different instances. The last two Taker mania build ups. I personally wasn't a huge fan of the matches but I know a lot of people loved it. The hype around those matches however, especially the first one, were awful. I just rolled my eyes at the segments with other wrestlers talking about the staredown. The Brock/HHH match too, but I think the big thing there was nobody believed Brock was losing He's talking about Michaels' initial career, I think. Where business was awful. HBK's second run changed the perception of his career... alot. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2013 22:13:18 GMT -5
I think the problem with the eighteen seconds thing myself is that the build didn't warrant it. Had it been someone who had been trying to get his hands on Bryan for months and kept being cut off, like Big Show, it'd have been fine, and it would have been perfect to do for his match with Cody instead given how that was being built. But basically that match was almost entirely built up with Bryan completely ignoring Sheamus's existence and focusing mostly on his issues with AJ and Punk, while Sheamus just kept attacking him for no reason.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2013 22:21:24 GMT -5
I want to say Sin Cara. Yeah he's popular but he's not what they ever thought he was going to be. I bet a lot of people in WWE think "damn, we took Mysterio for granted" now. They thought just any ol' body with some cool moves and a mask could come in and take his spot, but nope. |
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Post by Sephiroth on Jan 16, 2013 22:28:05 GMT -5
Bob Holly. Hey, I will credit him for being a solid ring talent, but a main eventer he never was. Yet WWE pushed him repeatedly, going so far as to try to put him in some main event storylines. The crowds just did not buy Holly as a main eventer and the response to his title matches were dead.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2013 22:29:13 GMT -5
Bob Holly. Hey, I will credit him for being a solid ring talent, but a main eventer he never was. Yet WWE pushed him repeatedly, going so far as to try to put him in some main event storylines. The crowds just did not buy Holly as a main eventer and the response to his title matches were dead. Probably doesn't help that that storyline was stupid and lazy. Lesnar beat Holly so badly he broke his neck, so now Holly's back and Lesnar's inexplicably terrified. Yeah, made no sense. |
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Jan 16, 2013 22:32:36 GMT -5
Antonio Cesaro.
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Post by 543Y2J on Jan 16, 2013 22:41:33 GMT -5
I want to say Sin Cara. Yeah he's popular but he's not what they ever thought he was going to be. I bet a lot of people in WWE think "damn, we took Mysterio for granted" now. They thought just any ol' body with some cool moves and a mask could come in and take his spot, but nope. Its ok because OLE! is coming to save the day potentially. I hope they keep him under the mask, it may not be the same thing without it Oh and it begins and ends with Sheamus for this thread in my opinion |
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jan 16, 2013 22:44:49 GMT -5
I want to say Sin Cara. Yeah he's popular but he's not what they ever thought he was going to be. I bet a lot of people in WWE think "damn, we took Mysterio for granted" now. They thought just any ol' body with some cool moves and a mask could come in and take his spot, but nope. Why does Sin Cara or any other masked wrestler have to "take Rey's spot". I don't like the idea that there has to be a "token lucha". |
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Post by nWoElite on Jan 16, 2013 22:46:08 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2013 22:48:13 GMT -5
I bet a lot of people in WWE think "damn, we took Mysterio for granted" now. They thought just any ol' body with some cool moves and a mask could come in and take his spot, but nope. Why does Sin Cara or any other masked wrestler have to "take Rey's spot". I don't like the idea that there has to be a "token lucha". Hey I don't either, and maybe I'm assuming too much, but that's sure what it seems like to me. Also I do think it's a compliment to Mysterio, who a lot of fans on here seem sick of and I am too at times, but Sin Cara's struggles made me appreciate what Mysterio brings to the table a lot more. Even with Sin Cara doing better in their tag team, there was this huge difference when Mysterio got in the ring and the match looked 10 times crisper and quicker. |
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Post by froggyfrog on Jan 16, 2013 23:10:17 GMT -5
But could not no matter how hard they tried? Now this thread isn't for things like John Cena being hated by half the crowd, or a failed face turn, this is for things that were such disasters the WWE had no choice but to scrap the idea. To me, a big one from recent years would be Mike Adamle. While not good on ECW or in his short interview segments, WWE still seemed extremely high on him even going as far as to make him Raw GM. I even remember news coming out that WWE had started training Adamle how to bump so he could do matches. Adamle was comically bad and was quickly written off tv and released. A similar one, but on a much smaller scale, was Lena Yada on ECW. Layla and Kelly Kelly were feuding on ECW over... something. They have a dance contest on ECW and out of nowhere Lena (who was announcing the contest) said she was entering and started to dance... except all her dancing consisted of was a weird duck walk and occasionally stop to kick her foot out or push her foot to the side. Lena interrupted a couple more segments between Kelly and Layla in similar fashion and was always met with indifference. WWE fired her quickly. Actually thinking about it, Extreme Expose as a whole could be put in. As, at the time, none of them could wrestle, Kelly couldn't dance (and was supposed to be the main attraction), and the dances went too long. Though there was the very entertaining segment where the PA system cut off their song in the middle. Another I'd add would be heel Michael Cole. Cole was good in his role as a heel at first, but it just got to the point where listening to him became a chore. I think WWE realized it as well because even though he remained fairly heelish throughout 2011 and in early 2012, WWE dropped it quickly. Johnny Ace as an on character figure is the final one, and most recent, I'll mention. Kind of blew up in their face John Lauranaitis was super over as a heel. How did that blow up in their face? |
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Post by Talent Name on Jan 16, 2013 23:48:13 GMT -5
Kofi Kingston as the "wildcat"
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Post by Welfare Willis on Jan 17, 2013 0:20:35 GMT -5
Kofi Kingston as the "wildcat" You could almost swear that WWE is trying to come out with their own line of wrestlers that transform into animal toys. |
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Post by Buddy Peacock on Jan 17, 2013 0:29:13 GMT -5
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Post by BigWill on Jan 17, 2013 0:32:12 GMT -5
Kofi Kingston as the "wildcat" You could almost swear that WWE is trying to come out with their own line of wrestlers that transform into animal toys. A WWE Animorphs-like series would be awesome. |
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jan 17, 2013 0:33:56 GMT -5
Heel Edge as the Ultimate Opportunist. It was like they kept having Edge lose the title just to come up with more crazy and inventive ways for him to "shock the world" by winning it back in "controversial" fashion.
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