So what did Rocky do to get the Rocky Sucks chant?

[Squirrel Master]

Jan 6, 2013 16:15:19 GMT -5 Mochi Lone Wolf said:

It was his gimmick. People were tired of the "Smiling, goody-goody" babyface and that's exactly what "The Blue Chipper" was.

He was green as hell in his debut year and you just wanted to slap that stupid smile off his mug.

[Essential1]

I blame it on the pineapple hairdoo.

[Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!!]

it was pretty minor in comparison, but the Saba Simba getup, powder-blue trunks and odd, trapezoidal hair didn't do him any favors.

[keezy]

They were scratching the surface of the Attitude Era and crowds were growing tired of generic babyface acts. They were booing Hogan before the nWo turn and Austin was originally a heel, they could have debuted anyone as a blue chipper babyface at the time and it would have flopped if not for a heel turn.

[SHAKEMASTER TV9 is Don Knotts]

Jan 7, 2013 8:38:56 GMT -5 The Baltimore Staircase said:

Jan 7, 2013 8:21:08 GMT -5 Allie Kitsune said:

I'm not so sure about that. People would chant "X-Pac Sucks" even when he didn't even appear on the show at all. X-Pac Sucks became the equivalent of "BORRRRRRRING, BORRRRRRRING!" for a good period of time.

Yeah... X-pac was definitely over long into 2000. His heat, or lack thereof came much later.

X-Factor was when the "GO AWAY HEAT" came around I think.

[donbot]

Jan 7, 2013 19:51:29 GMT -5 SHAKEMASTER TV9 is Don Knotts said:

Jan 7, 2013 8:38:56 GMT -5 The Baltimore Staircase said:

Yeah... X-pac was definitely over long into 2000. His heat, or lack thereof came much later.

X-Factor was when the "GO AWAY HEAT" came around I think.

How do you know for sure the fans booed him out of indifference? I mean, he was a heel during that time. I think the term "X-pac Heat" was created by some dirtsheet forum writer about how he hated X-pac the person and no longer wanted to see him on TV, and the IWC claimed that the crowd was in agreeance with that.

With a face, you can make an assumption that the fans don't want to see him because there's no way you can put a positive spin on that, but what if its a heel? Wouldn't their hostile reactions just make a company push him more?

[trollrogue]

Most of the time when a crowd chants that a wrestler 'sucks', they are just a) either trying to help out a face that is getting destroyed in the ring/in a promo courtesy of the heel; b) just trying to get under the skin of a heel wrestler with a gimmick that works (one that gets the crowd to respond); or c) it's fun to chant 'you suck' to Kurt Angle's entrance theme! (And if we're in Appalachia we'll go ahead and add 'What?' to the chants for no reason at all! ;-))

As such it's not usually possible to tell that a crowd is portraying 'go-away heat' simply from a 'you suck' chant. 'Boring' and 'you can't wrestle' are the go-to ones IMHO.

EDIT: Just pointing out that Option B applies to John Cena most of all-- and it simultaneously proves that the WWE Universe can both respect Cena's work and think that he sucks at the same time-- literally.

[Andrew is Good]

People said it before, but basically, the happy go-lucky, blue chipper babyface wasn't over at the time. They pushed Rock the way they pushed John Cena from 2005 on.

It's weird, I wonder if Rock would have made it as far as he did if they kept him as a baby face, even with the chants. Rock ended up getting injured I do believe, which ended up helping him, because it took him off TV and he was able to start back fresh with a heel turn.

Then, they had Kurt Angle be the smiley babyface hero in the vignettes so it would fail on purpose and he would become a heel quickly on TV. It's a great way to get a guy to become heel.

With Cena in 2005, the gap of turning him heel closed. Or even take the belt off him. I wanted them to take the belt off of Cena once the chants were starting, because I thought back to Rocky Maivia. Ok, this guy is over, but he's still getting booed, so let's just have him drop the belt to Kurt Angle and restart with him. He'll be fine. But then, he kept the belt, and he beat Angle and Michaels, and the boos just wouldn't stop. Then he lost to Edge, and the booing stopped briefly, but then he won the belt off of him, beat Triple H at Mania, and the rest was history. I thought they could have turned him heel after ECW One Night Stand 2006, but after that, there was really not much to go back with and here we have John Cena.

[dbostick]

The "Rocky sucks!" chants first originated on Shotgun Saturday Night in NYC when he faced Savio Vega. What was so funny was the fact Savio pulled up Rocky's head so he could see those fans chanting it while he had him in a rest hold.

This was maybe a month and a half into Rocky's WWF run, too- NYC sure soured on Rocky FAST!

[Futureraven: Beelzebruv]

Jan 8, 2013 14:41:23 GMT -5 donbot said:

Jan 7, 2013 19:51:29 GMT -5 SHAKEMASTER TV9 is Don Knotts said:

X-Factor was when the "GO AWAY HEAT" came around I think.

How do you know for sure the fans booed him out of indifference? I mean, he was a heel during that time. I think the term "X-pac Heat" was created by some dirtsheet forum writer about how he hated X-pac the person and no longer wanted to see him on TV, and the IWC claimed that the crowd was in agreeance with that.

With a face, you can make an assumption that the fans don't want to see him because there's no way you can put a positive spin on that, but what if its a heel? Wouldn't their hostile reactions just make a company push him more?

There is the fact that at the start of the Invasion, when the WHOLE WWE ROSTER were being cheered as faces against the Alliance, the only exception was people chanting X-Pac sucks. They even pointed it out at the Invasion PPV during Billy Kidman's promo before their match.

[donbot]

Jan 9, 2013 13:26:28 GMT -5 Futureraven: Beelzebruv said:

Jan 8, 2013 14:41:23 GMT -5 donbot said:

How do you know for sure the fans booed him out of indifference? I mean, he was a heel during that time. I think the term "X-pac Heat" was created by some dirtsheet forum writer about how he hated X-pac the person and no longer wanted to see him on TV, and the IWC claimed that the crowd was in agreeance with that.

With a face, you can make an assumption that the fans don't want to see him because there's no way you can put a positive spin on that, but what if its a heel? Wouldn't their hostile reactions just make a company push him more?

There is the fact that at the start of the Invasion, when the WHOLE WWE ROSTER were being cheered as faces against the Alliance, the only exception was people chanting X-Pac sucks. They even pointed it out at the Invasion PPV during Billy Kidman's promo before their match.

X-pac never really turned face though. He just wore a WWF shirt. He wasn't high-fiving the fans, he wasn't making pro-WWF speeches, he was just the same X-pac with mannerisms, crotch-chops, bronco-busters etc etc. If they were trying to make him a babyface, they were certainly doing a poor job.

[bob]

he was as green as grass when he debuted , was over pushed and his gimmick consisted of smiling and wearing that awful outfit

[MOONDOG]

It was that smile

[Futureraven: Beelzebruv]

Jan 9, 2013 13:26:28 GMT -5 Futureraven: Beelzebruv said:

There is the fact that at the start of the Invasion, when the WHOLE WWE ROSTER were being cheered as faces against the Alliance, the only exception was people chanting X-Pac sucks. They even pointed it out at the Invasion PPV during Billy Kidman's promo before their match.

X-pac never really turned face though. He just wore a WWF shirt. He wasn't high-fiving the fans, he wasn't making pro-WWF speeches, he was just the same X-pac with mannerisms, crotch-chops, bronco-busters etc etc. If they were trying to make him a babyface, they were certainly doing a poor job.[/quote]

That's the point though, half the roster they didn't give face turns to, even guys as high up as Edge and Christian, it's just everyone was a default face the second the invasion started, with or without an angle, every heel was now being cheered.... except one.

[Hobby Drifter]

Sucked.

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X-Pac sucked so much that even a thread about one of -if not THE- the biggest wrestling stars of all time has turned to be about him!

Note: Humour. I don't believe X-Pac sucks.