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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Jan 8, 2013 23:42:53 GMT -5
Let me start out by saying I was a huge Ren & Stimpy fan. The first, maybe dozen or so episodes were great. Then the quality tailed off, and John K left or was fired, depending on who tells the story. Since then, in my opinion, almost everything John K has done has been garbage, and ended up showing that without some type of creative control, the original Ren & Stimpy probably would've failed too. The revival was maybe the worst thing I ever saw. He also seems very bitter and very dismissive of almost everything, and blames others when things fail. Am I being hard on him? Is he a genius or overrated, or somewhere in the middle?
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Jan 9, 2013 0:48:53 GMT -5
John does know his stuff as far as proper cartoon development, but his style is an acquired taste even when he is reigned in. I love flowing, active animation as much as the next person, but sometimes he tends to abuse squashing and stretching to where a lot of his characters just have no structure. I think I'm one of the few people that didn't care for his Simpsons couch segment.
And I agree, despite his Spumco-way-or-bust attitude on his projects, he's at his best when his ideas are filtered down by other people, or when he's part of a group of creative people like the 80's Mighty Mouse show.
Like for example, his version of Ren (the APC incarnation) is a lot meaner, and he fought Nick on their decision to give him a hidden softer side in the original R&S. When he lost, it wound up giving the show a much-needed element of heart admist all of the gross-out gags.
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Post by BorneAgain on Jan 9, 2013 0:51:50 GMT -5
John does know his stuff as far as proper cartoon development, but his style is an acquired taste even when he is reigned in. I love flowing, active animation as much as the next person, but sometimes he tends to abuse squashing and stretching to where a lot of his characters just have no structure. I think I'm one of the few people that didn't care for his Simpsons couch segment. And I agree, despite his Spumco-way-or-bust attitude on his projects, he's at his best when his ideas are filtered down by other people, or when he's part of a group of creative people like the 80's Mighty Mouse show. Like for example, his version of Ren (the APC incarnation) is a lot meaner, and he fought Nick on their decision to give him a hidden softer side in the original R&S. When he lost, it wound up giving the show a much-needed element of heart admist all of the gross-out gags. Agreed. The addition of some compassion and kindness in Ren made him a much interesting character than a one note psychotic asshole, precisely because he could go from ranting loon threatening murder to acting as a bizarrely loving friend to Stimpy. |
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Post by Fiddleford H. McGucket on Jan 9, 2013 1:02:22 GMT -5
John does know his stuff as far as proper cartoon development, but his style is an acquired taste even when he is reigned in. I love flowing, active animation as much as the next person, but sometimes he tends to abuse squashing and stretching to where a lot of his characters just have no structure. I think I'm one of the few people that didn't care for his Simpsons couch segment. And I agree, despite his Spumco-way-or-bust attitude on his projects, he's at his best when his ideas are filtered down by other people, or when he's part of a group of creative people like the 80's Mighty Mouse show. Like for example, his version of Ren (the APC incarnation) is a lot meaner, and he fought Nick on their decision to give him a hidden softer side in the original R&S. When he lost, it wound up giving the show a much-needed element of heart admist all of the gross-out gags. Agreed. The addition of some compassion and kindness in Ren made him a much interesting character than a one note psychotic asshole, precisely because he could go from ranting loon threatening murder to acting as a bizarrely loving friend to Stimpy. In that same vein.....Watch Ren's Breakdown in "Sven Hoek". It works PRECISELY because he's got that softer side. A Constantly screaming, ranting, raving Ren would have been completely unbelievable doing that "Speech" (It's practically a wrestling Promo). If he was APC Ren it would have been a screaming incoherence...and not the wonderfully Calm Evil Stream of Consciousness. |
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 9, 2013 3:25:53 GMT -5
He is a tremendously talented guy who, unfortunately, has an ego and lack of caring about meeting deadlines that often goes with that.
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Jan 9, 2013 4:03:27 GMT -5
Far as I read, he wasn't too pleased with APC. I recall that it was SpikeTV that wanted it to be more raunchy. Reminds me of how his vignettes on the DVD were far more interesting and entertaining than the actual episodes.
He is certainly opinionated and egotistical, but I think he has talent and a knowledge and love for cartoons that is second to none. Sometimes the good comes with bad.
I loved Ren & Stimpy as a kid. Upon watching it as an adult, a lot of the humor is naturally too juvenile to amuse me, but I am fascinated by the animation and how a bit of the subject matter had to fly right over my head back then. In this day and age of Adult Swim animation, I think cartoons could use another Ren & Stimpy. That is, another cartoon that is brimming with energy, madness, and innovative animation.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Jan 9, 2013 10:15:52 GMT -5
Far as I read, he wasn't too pleased with APC. I recall that it was SpikeTV that wanted it to be more raunchy. Reminds me of how his vignettes on the DVD were far more interesting and entertaining than the actual episodes. He is certainly opinionated and egotistical, but I think he has talent and a knowledge and love for cartoons that is second to none. Sometimes the good comes with bad. I loved Ren & Stimpy as a kid. Upon watching it as an adult, a lot of the humor is naturally too juvenile to amuse me, but I am fascinated by the animation and how a bit of the subject matter had to fly right over my head back then. In this day and age of Adult Swim animation, I think cartoons could use another Ren & Stimpy. That is, another cartoon that is brimming with energy, madness, and innovative animation. IMO, Adventure Time is a good candidate for that, despite the simple designs. |
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Post by Citizen Grimm on Jan 9, 2013 10:56:37 GMT -5
I got really confused coming into this thread. John K is the shortened version of my name.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Jan 9, 2013 11:14:42 GMT -5
Far as I read, he wasn't too pleased with APC. I recall that it was SpikeTV that wanted it to be more raunchy. Reminds me of how his vignettes on the DVD were far more interesting and entertaining than the actual episodes. He is certainly opinionated and egotistical, but I think he has talent and a knowledge and love for cartoons that is second to none. Sometimes the good comes with bad. I loved Ren & Stimpy as a kid. Upon watching it as an adult, a lot of the humor is naturally too juvenile to amuse me, but I am fascinated by the animation and how a bit of the subject matter had to fly right over my head back then. In this day and age of Adult Swim animation, I think cartoons could use another Ren & Stimpy. That is, another cartoon that is brimming with energy, madness, and innovative animation. Part of my issue with John is that it's always somebody else's fault. It was Nick's fault, it was Spike's fault. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2013 12:53:20 GMT -5
I don't know much about him personally. But from what I hear, I get the feeling he's largely just jealous of modern animators who are more successful than he is.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Jan 9, 2013 13:32:46 GMT -5
I don't know much about him personally. But from what I hear, I get the feeling he's largely just jealous of modern animators who are more successful than he is. I don't know if he's jealous as he is an egomaniac. He believes the animation should be art based, not writing based, and shits on anything that doesn't hit that standard, which is 99% of the medium. But, if you look at APC, it's so art driven in his style, and so poorly written, it's a mess. Maybe after the fact he blames Spike, but there was zero about that show that was good. |
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Post by Big DSR Energy on Jan 9, 2013 13:45:33 GMT -5
I got really confused coming into this thread. John K is the shortened version of my name. I was gonna come in and make a post about John Krasinski, who plays Jim on The Office. |
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Post by agent817 on Jan 22, 2013 22:11:37 GMT -5
Far as I read, he wasn't too pleased with APC. I recall that it was SpikeTV that wanted it to be more raunchy. Reminds me of how his vignettes on the DVD were far more interesting and entertaining than the actual episodes. He is certainly opinionated and egotistical, but I think he has talent and a knowledge and love for cartoons that is second to none. Sometimes the good comes with bad. I loved Ren & Stimpy as a kid. Upon watching it as an adult, a lot of the humor is naturally too juvenile to amuse me, but I am fascinated by the animation and how a bit of the subject matter had to fly right over my head back then. In this day and age of Adult Swim animation, I think cartoons could use another Ren & Stimpy. That is, another cartoon that is brimming with energy, madness, and innovative animation. I remember watching the Adult Party Cartoon back in 2003 and I think I've only seen two episodes. I think I remember seeing the series on Netflix, so I might check those out to see what's up. I remember noticing that it pushed the envelope in terms of content. I remember seeing a clip on YouTube of Ren and Stimpy as restroom attendants. I cringed at what was used as a towel rack. I can understand if John K wanted to bring the show back on the air and have the humor at TV-MA level, but it went a little too far. I know adult animation is a common thing but I guess Spike wanted to have it as part of their block. I only remember watching Stripperella back then. I don't remember watching Gary The Rat. |
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Jan 23, 2013 0:49:28 GMT -5
Far as I read, he wasn't too pleased with APC. I recall that it was SpikeTV that wanted it to be more raunchy. Reminds me of how his vignettes on the DVD were far more interesting and entertaining than the actual episodes. He is certainly opinionated and egotistical, but I think he has talent and a knowledge and love for cartoons that is second to none. Sometimes the good comes with bad. I loved Ren & Stimpy as a kid. Upon watching it as an adult, a lot of the humor is naturally too juvenile to amuse me, but I am fascinated by the animation and how a bit of the subject matter had to fly right over my head back then. In this day and age of Adult Swim animation, I think cartoons could use another Ren & Stimpy. That is, another cartoon that is brimming with energy, madness, and innovative animation. IMO, Adventure Time is a good candidate for that, despite the simple designs. I've seen some Adventure Time here and there. Good call. |
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