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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2013 14:33:04 GMT -5
It wouldn't be the worst. But HHH v Lesnar would be up there for one of the most hated Wrestlemania matches of all-time. I think you're severely over-estimating how much the average IWC opinion falls in line with the average WWE fan overall. This board at this time last year was filled with people 90% vehemently against the idea of Taker/HHH. Then in reality it ended up getting the highest rated segments each week on Raw over Rock/Cena and Punk/Jericho and the eventual match itself was considered by most WWE fans to be the match of the year. Rock/Cena 2 would already be the biggest WWE championship match since 'Mania X7 though. Making it a unification match would be unnecessary. I don't see it as a huge match like this is the result is a foregone conclusion. That's why people are excited for Rock/Punk because the result isn't clear (unless that card is true I reckon). If this is the case, then for the love of god do not give Rock that belt. Because you're giving Cena his win back plus another title run. No...just no. The only salvage would Cena about to win and the glass shatters or something. Well how do you define a "huge" match? To me it's the match that the most people will pay to see. What WWE title match since Rock-Austin at 'Mania X7 has been bigger than Rock/Cena for the title would be? There is little to no correlation between how predictable a match is and how big it will be. Hell, if this card is true then 3 of the results would be predictable as hell. Yet all 3 of those would still be bigger draws than the one that is difficult to call (Orton-Sheamus). Even though these have been the rumours for so long, there is no way it will happen. Nobody wants to see these matches at WM 29. Punk/Ryback - no interferences or Punk loses the title automatically Rock/Lesnar Taker/Cena Orton/Sheamus That's a Mania PPV. I've thought since last year that Taker/Cena and Rock/Lesnar are the biggest matches they could do this year. I really think it's the way to go.
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Post by Beets by Schrute on Jan 10, 2013 14:33:23 GMT -5
All these rematches show they are not even trying this year to be creative.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2013 14:36:48 GMT -5
I think what we'll get as the 4 most important bouts is: Punk/Lesnar Sheamus/Ziggler (WHC) 'Taker/Cena Rock/Bryan (WWE title, Bryan as Rumble winner) Ryback will be involved in a match with a member of Shield finally after months of costing him matches. as much i would like to see it, what leads you to belive that rock faces daniel bryan? Hate to see it, a, but this thread is filling up with iwc optimisim (with just reason, as nothing has been confimed yet) with nobody wanting to believe the inevitiable, But with the exception of a few tweeks in the card {Spoiler}Del Rio in the world title match with sheamus and orton. I think we can expect that card to be at mania. 90 dollar ticket for 4 matches we've seen before. Sucks but I have to accept it. You can see my earlier post re: why I don't think we'll see 3 of the matches.* I've thought Rock would face Bryan since they tested what it'd be like with heel Bryan promoing alongside The Rock in mid 2012. They don't tend to waste foreshadowing when it's in regard to huge stars who only come round for a match a few times a year. Plus they've really gotten behind Daniel Bryan the last half of 2012, and he's knocked every opportunity out of the park, whilst getting more and more fans to respond to him. It just seems like the perfect mix of consistent booking by the WWE and the fact Daniel Bryan has not let them down. They could make him a real star for years to come if it occured. Albeit I do take your point about it being optimistic thinking, and I accept it is something I'd love to see over those rematches. *that looks like an arsey phrasing from me, but I'm exhausted and can't think of a polite way to say "on page 1 I did a short paragraph each about the proposed match ups" so apologies ahead of time!
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Post by fw91 on Jan 10, 2013 14:36:57 GMT -5
heres a fantasy card i made for a recent "book wrestlemania" thread. made some changes to accomidate the smackdown spoiler, but i don't think it would be that hard to pull off {Spoiler}WWE Championship: CM Punk vs Brock Lesnar - Punk retains over Rock, after Cena interferes. Have Cena and Punk tease a feud before hand. Punk pulls off shenanigans, but Cena tries to stop it, but inadverdantly costs Rock the match. This will lead to Rock/Cena II. Brock wins the rumble, and Heyman tries to convinve him to go for the WHC like Batista in 05. SO Heyman guys can rule the WWE. But he refuses and picks Punk. OR Heyman turns on Punk for always getting him into situations like tlc matches, and picks Lesnar to take over because he is more of an ass-kicker. Lesnar could win here to end the reign. If he doesn't re-sign a deal he could pull more Lesnar antics and be stripped and vacate the title
Rock vs John Cena II So Punk beats Rock at the rumble, after Cena inadverdently costs Rock the match. During the rumble match, Rock comes out and eliminates Cena for payback. Cena says that he hasn't gotten over the loss, and challenges Rock again. Cena gets his win back, and maybe they can have a rubber match at Summerslam in some kind of gimmick match .)
World Heavyweight Championship: Dolph Ziggler vs Del Rio vs Big Show. - Del Rio retains at rumble, but Big Show wins the WHC elimination chamber. However out of spite Big Show,. Ziggler cashes in and beats Show for the belt. Both Del Rio and Big Show think they are entitled to rematch clauses. So they have a number one contenders' match that ends in draw. THis sets up Booker T to create a triple threat match for the belt.
Undertaker vs Ryback Ryback says "feed me more" here comes the Undertaker. Steak goes to 21-0 of course, but Ryback ends up looking like a million bucks, hoepfully.
6 man tag match: Randy Orton, Sheamus, and Triple H vs The Shield The Sheild continue to dominate. Orton and Sheamus had enough of their attacks and recruit HHH for help. This is where Orton turns heel and helps the Shield win. Orton becomes huge heel as he escalates back into the world title picture.
IC Title: The Miz vs Wade Barrett
U.S. Title Christian vs Antonio Cesaro These two could tear the house down, and is a good way for Christian to get on the card.
Four Way Tag Title Ladder Match: Team Hell No vs Team Rhodes Scholars, v.s. Prime Time Players, vs Heath Slater and Drew Mcintyre Fun little spot fest.
Rey Mysterio vs Sin Cara Inevitable battle of the luchadors.
Breakthrough 10 Man Battle Royal: Zack Ryder vs Santino Marella vs Big E Langston vs Brodus Clay vs Kofi Kingston vs R-Truth vs Jinder Mahal vs Jack Swagger (somehow gets in despite being former WHC, vs Tommy Dreamer vs returning Evan Bourne just to way to get people on the card, Kofi could win here, and lose to Dolph at extreme rules. Thats 10 matches but if they cut down on stupid skits and promos, I think it could fit. Hell it did for 26. I think this card would help mania feel like mania again
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Post by Some Guy on Jan 10, 2013 14:36:58 GMT -5
I actually wouldn't oppose a Sheamus/Orton match. Not an Orton fan and my Sheamus like is dwindling but you know they could put on one hell of a match if allowed to. Besides, it could mean Orton going heel. Those two already had plenty of matches together. None of them were very good. You miss their Smackdown match in May?
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Post by fw91 on Jan 10, 2013 14:39:49 GMT -5
as much i would like to see it, what leads you to belive that rock faces daniel bryan? Hate to see it, a, but this thread is filling up with iwc optimisim (with just reason, as nothing has been confimed yet) with nobody wanting to believe the inevitiable, But with the exception of a few tweeks in the card {Spoiler}Del Rio in the world title match with sheamus and orton. I think we can expect that card to be at mania. 90 dollar ticket for 4 matches we've seen before. Sucks but I have to accept it. You can see my earlier post re: why I don't think we'll see 3 of the matches.* I've thought Rock would face Bryan since they tested what it'd be like with heel Bryan promoing alongside The Rock in mid 2012. They don't tend to waste foreshadowing when it's in regard to huge stars who only come round for a match a few times a year. Plus they've really gotten behind Daniel Bryan the last half of 2012, and he's knocked every opportunity out of the park, whilst getting more and more fans to respond to him. It just seems like the perfect mix of consistent booking by the WWE and the fact Daniel Bryan has not let them down. They could make him a real star for years to come if it occured. Albeit I do take your point about it being optimistic thinking, and I accept it is something I'd love to see over those rematches. *that looks like an arsey phrasing from me, but I'm exhausted and can't think of a polite way to say "on page 1 I did a short paragraph each about the proposed match ups" so apologies ahead of time! okay your bryan pick makes a little bit more sense, but i just can't see it. team hell no is hot right now. can't expect them to not be involved together at mania
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Post by mrjl on Jan 10, 2013 14:39:49 GMT -5
Even though these have been the rumours for so long, there is no way it will happen. Nobody wants to see these matches at WM 29. Punk/Ryback - no interferences or Punk loses the title automatically Rock/Lesnar Taker/Cena Orton/Sheamus That's a Mania PPV. A thousand times this. do you really want to have a wrestlemania match between two people who won't be there the next day. Remember the last time that happened?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2013 14:41:31 GMT -5
do you really want to have a wrestlemania match between two people who won't be there the next day. Remember the last time that happened? I get the point you're making (Brock-Goldberg) but technically that also happened with Taker/HHH last year and that ended up being voted WWE's match of the year.
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Post by The Ichi on Jan 10, 2013 14:41:39 GMT -5
A Rock/Brock match wouldn't make any sense other than "hey, let's have a rematch of a match we had 11 years ago!".
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jan 10, 2013 14:42:03 GMT -5
do you really want to have a wrestlemania match between two people who won't be there the next day. Remember the last time that happened? The one good thing about having Rock vs. Lesnar is that their screen time will eat up ONE segment instead of TWO, allowing more of the current stars to be showcased on RAW or Smackdown.
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Post by The Peck™ Says… on Jan 10, 2013 14:43:16 GMT -5
Here'd be the top 4 matches for my 'Mania card... -John Cena vs. CM Punk vs. The Rock for the WWE Title All 3 have had issues with each other over the last few years. CM Punk gets his WM main event, which he says is the only thing he wants to accomplish that he hasn't been able to, and the possibilities for the match finish and resulting storylines are endless! -Undertaker vs. Brock Lesnar Yeah, yeah....I know. We would already know what the outcome because there's no way Undertaker would lose to a part-timer like Lesnar (isn't that every year?), but the intrigue is there. I've been wanting to see this since... -Evolution (w/ Ric Flair) vs. The Shield (w/ Paul Heyman and/or Brad Maddox) You can get here easily. HHH calls out the Shield, saying all this mayhem they're causing can't continue under his watch as COO. He gets beat down. Orton tries to make the save, gets beat down. Batista's music hits, he clears house. Boom. Or...if {Spoiler}the rumored confrontation between Flair & Punk this Monday in Houston happens, you can have the Shield attack {Spoiler}Flair which sets up Evolution coming to his aid. Of course, this would be contingent on Batista returning, but I think it would be doable if WWE pressed hard enough. Could be HUGE for the Shield if they win at WM. -Big Show vs. Ryback for the WHC (with the winner possibly facing Dolph Ziggler after the match) Last one. Hear me out on this. Ryback wins the Rumble and challenges the Big Show (who regains WHC from Del Rio at Rumble). Because Ziggler can cash in his briefcase for a shot at the WHC at ANY TIME, I would incorporate him into the storyline by having him say he would cash in for a match against the winner or even cash in during the match when the Big Show is at his most vulnerable. Big E. and A.J. would be with him at ringside throughout the match, so Ziggler could cash in on Big Show during the match after Ryback does all the damage (Big E would tie up Ryback) or cash in on either Ryback/Show after the match (and he could still get help from Langston). I also thought about throwing a returning Mark Henry in here to cost Ryback the match, they fight to the back, and then Ziggler cashes in on Show. Lots of possibilities here and Ziggler lurking on the periphery the whole time adds a lot of interest to this match. Thoughts? I know it takes a lot of guys to fill out only 4 matches, leaving the rest of the card a bit weakened, but I think the match quality would be worth it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2013 14:44:17 GMT -5
You can see my earlier post re: why I don't think we'll see 3 of the matches.* I've thought Rock would face Bryan since they tested what it'd be like with heel Bryan promoing alongside The Rock in mid 2012. They don't tend to waste foreshadowing when it's in regard to huge stars who only come round for a match a few times a year. Plus they've really gotten behind Daniel Bryan the last half of 2012, and he's knocked every opportunity out of the park, whilst getting more and more fans to respond to him. It just seems like the perfect mix of consistent booking by the WWE and the fact Daniel Bryan has not let them down. They could make him a real star for years to come if it occured. Albeit I do take your point about it being optimistic thinking, and I accept it is something I'd love to see over those rematches. *that looks like an arsey phrasing from me, but I'm exhausted and can't think of a polite way to say "on page 1 I did a short paragraph each about the proposed match ups" so apologies ahead of time! okay your bryan pick makes a little bit more sense, but i just can't see it. team hell no is hot right now. can't expect them to not be involved together at mania Yeah, truth be told I wouldn't mind them losing the titles to two Shield members, with Ryback/Triple H/someone else facing the remaining one. There are definitely 300 realistic & possible options better than the two rematches though, I'm sure we can all agree on that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2013 14:45:23 GMT -5
A Rock/Brock match wouldn't make any sense other than "hey, let's have a rematch of a match we had 11 years ago!". It wouldn't be difficult to write really. Heyman gets pissed when Punk loses the title to Rock and brings in his original client to get it back. And non-kayfabe, you would have a Hollywood movie star vs. the biggest sports PPV star of the past 5 years so it would get WWE some good publicity.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2013 14:51:49 GMT -5
I hope none of these happen, that's awful.
Taker's had some really good stuff at mania for a while now, don't think we need to see how Taker overcomes the odds after the shield interferes 20 times.
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Post by Snaptastic on Jan 10, 2013 15:08:39 GMT -5
Well how do you define a "huge" match? To me it's the match that the most people will pay to see. What WWE title match since Rock-Austin at 'Mania X7 has been bigger than Rock/Cena for the title would be? There is little to no correlation between how predictable a match is and how big it will be. Hell, if this card is true then 3 of the results would be predictable as hell. Yet all 3 of those would still be bigger draws than the one that is difficult to call (Orton-Sheamus). Fewer people will pay to see Rock/Cena in the main event of Wrestlemania one year after the last match (which was also the main event). Most of the people who go to Mania are usually hardcore fans from what I can tell and have seem evidence of. The Taker match is an exception to the rule because well...it just is at this stage. But the last few years, it really did look like Taker was going to lose at one stage so those matches are always worth paying for. 80% of that crowd will be 100% aware of two of the main events outcomes before they even get to the stadium. I will watch live probably because I always do for Mania, but I wouldn't pay to go to the event with some of those matches. HHH/Lesnar & Rock/Cena are just a waste at Mania this time around. You should NEVER waste a Mania match on the need to give someone their win back...never. By that virtue of their predictability and thus lower drawing potential because of that...no they're not the huge matches that Mania should host.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jan 10, 2013 15:12:47 GMT -5
I don't want to see Undertaker face anyone unless he's going to lose. I'm sick of seeing a broken old fart win predictable matches.
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Post by Cronant on Jan 10, 2013 15:13:26 GMT -5
Until these 'pairings' actually interact with each other, I'm not sold.
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Post by metylerca on Jan 10, 2013 15:17:38 GMT -5
I don't want to see Undertaker face anyone unless he's going to lose. I'm sick of seeing a broken old fart win predictable matches. I'm sure the general public disagrees.
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Post by molson5 on Jan 10, 2013 15:35:29 GMT -5
I don't want to see HHH/Lesnar again but if Lesnar re-signs I could see him winning. It's not likely, but there was definitely a sentiment here that HHH was "definitely" going to be beat Lesnar clean last time (and for that matter, that Cena was "definitely" going to be Rock clean at Mania.) When people get that confident about outcomes, the WWE often likes to go the other way. Of course, if that's Lesnar's last night with the company, which we'll probably know one way or another by then, then of course HHH's odds go up to about 99.5%. But otherwise, I think people are still handicapping HHH matches as if this is 2003. There was a day when HBK would never job to anyone too.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jan 10, 2013 16:06:57 GMT -5
I don't want to see Undertaker face anyone unless he's going to lose. I'm sick of seeing a broken old fart win predictable matches. I'm sure the general public disagrees. Awesome. I'll change my opinion now.
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