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Post by Zaq "That Guy" Buzzkill on Jan 13, 2013 16:46:11 GMT -5
Because some random midcarder who's never on the main show winning the Rumble certainly would not be met with complete apathy and confusion.
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Post by mike2789 on Jan 13, 2013 16:46:36 GMT -5
I would love for Kofi to win it. For instance when HBK won in 95 I was surprised, Austin in 97 (although he didn't really win it, well you know what I mean) and when Rey won I was surprised as well. Kofi or Cody Rhodes would be a great win
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Post by BigWill on Jan 13, 2013 16:54:55 GMT -5
Why they didn't do it with Santino still baffles me. There were several ways to either book him as the Rocky-like underdog for Mania or have him lose the shot before then, but that was a "moment" they just completely blew. That place would have EXPLODED if he won. I will forever argue that Santino should have won that, as soon as Alberto got the win the place just deflated into complete apathy. Santino got a pop seconds before he got eliminated. Was the WWE suppose to predict the reaction Santino was going to get and suddenly change the ending? And just because a superstar gets one big reaction, doesn't mean you need to push them to the moon.
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Post by slappy on Jan 13, 2013 17:02:47 GMT -5
Because some random midcarder who's never on the main show winning the Rumble certainly would not be met with complete apathy and confusion. Yes, because despite being on both shows every week, the crowd was just wild after Del Rio won in 2011 and Sheamus won in 2012. Two guys they were forcing down our throats got little reaction when they won. I don't think it'd hurt if a mid-carder won.
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Post by froggyfrog on Jan 13, 2013 17:05:24 GMT -5
If executed properly I think it could get someone over. Someone in the midcard would have to win it, like a Kofi Kingston or someone with some credibility. If say someone like a Curt Hawkins randomly won it wouldn't go well...
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Post by Clawley Race on Jan 13, 2013 17:25:11 GMT -5
How about Kofi? Maybe they have plans for him. Seems abrupt how he lost the IC title, and the rematch almost immediately afterward. Based on the assumption that Kofi will probably do some very exciting way of not getting eliminated like last year and Morrison before him...I highly doubt he will be expected to win. It would just be too risky.
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Post by metylerca on Jan 13, 2013 17:38:55 GMT -5
I'd mark out if some random-ass legend that they bring in for a nostalgia pop won. Vader wins the rumble in 2013? Sure, why not? I would nominate Sid, but that would only show that he is more over than 96% of the roster. His segment on RAW last year had one of the biggest drops of 2012 in viewership.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jan 13, 2013 17:42:27 GMT -5
I will forever argue that Santino should have won that, as soon as Alberto got the win the place just deflated into complete apathy. Santino got a pop seconds before he got eliminated. Was the WWE suppose to predict the reaction Santino was going to get and suddenly change the ending? And just because a superstar gets one big reaction, doesn't mean you need to push them to the moon. While your second point is completely true, they knew full well that moment would get a huge pop. Otherwise, they never would've booked it that way. Anyway, this topic is why I've been convinced for so long that they must get rid of the "Rumble winner challenges at 'Mania" stip. It just bothers me on every level. In kayfabe, it's giving out the biggest title shot of the year based on a guy winning a gimmick match that relies largely on luck, both in what happens in the ring and what number the guy draws (I hate the "he went through 29 other men!" thing if the guy drew #23 or something). In reality, it's a way of saying "there's probably 25 guys in this thing you know full well aren't going to come near winning". I've gotten to see the last three Royal Rumbles, and while I'm sure part of my apathy towards it has to do with not being a regular WWE viewer, I'm fully convinced a lot of it also has to do with the overloading of joke entrants and the sheer predictability involved.
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Post by percymania on Jan 13, 2013 17:49:20 GMT -5
Sin Cara should win by botching the ending.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2013 18:15:16 GMT -5
Why they didn't do it with Santino still baffles me. There were several ways to either book him as the Rocky-like underdog for Mania or have him lose the shot before then, but that was a "moment" they just completely blew. That place would have EXPLODED if he won. I will forever argue that Santino should have won that, as soon as Alberto got the win the place just deflated into complete apathy. Actually, when Santino started celebrating before tossing ADR, the Boston pop (which was slowly building to something great as people realized he was still in it) vanished, because they knew he was a goner at that point. Boston would've be a great place to have Santino (or a midcarder) win in - old school audience, they explode when they see something they like (Nash and Booker that night could attest to this), and if it's big enough then people elsewhere will buy it too....
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Post by SAJ Forth on Jan 13, 2013 18:22:52 GMT -5
The Rumble should go back to being a breakthrough match instead of it's current state.
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Post by Lardlad on Jan 13, 2013 18:27:59 GMT -5
I think it would have worked with Santino. Not sure about anyone else though.
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Post by suave on Jan 13, 2013 18:28:48 GMT -5
Can you imagine if Zach Ryder would have won last year, and went on to challenge Mark Henry at WM? That would be sick. Instead, we got the terrible Eve storyline.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffinâs Story on Jan 13, 2013 18:31:35 GMT -5
I don't think the "random" win would work out, but doing a lightly telegraphed redemption story culminating in a Rumble victory would mean a lot.
It's something they've started a bit with Kofi with the loss to Barrett for the IC title and then losing in short order to Big Show. I'd like to see them do a few backstage segments with Kofi where he talks about the losing streak, build him up with a few bigger wins leading into the Rumble over heels like Rhodes or Sandow, Barrett and a big win the week before the Rumble against Big Show.
Heck, Del Rio could lose the title to Ziggler at Rumble and your World Heavyweight Title match at WrestleMania could be Kofi vs. Ziggler. They've done it enough for the IC and US Titles, a main-event type of match between the two for the WHT would be epic. The card is strong enough that they could get away with a weaker WHT match, but yet one that still showcases the future.
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Post by jjdash on Jan 13, 2013 18:33:26 GMT -5
Who's to say the winner has to challenge for the top titles? This solves some of the problems mentioned.
For example, someone like A-Ry or Ryder who knows he wouldn't stand a chance against the World Heavyweight Champion challenges Cesaro because he wants to prove an American can beat him and reclaim the US title for America.
If the Rhodes Scholars weren't already number one contenders I would love for them to win it and go on to challenge for the Tag Titles. 'We won the Royal Rumble because we are BEST FRIENDS!' would be incredible.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Jan 13, 2013 19:21:26 GMT -5
I think a random winner would be a good thing, because the WWE could always point to that year as an example of "Anything can happen & anyone can win the Royal Rumble!" This is the main reason I want to see it happen. That's how they used to promote it. MITB and EC give plenty of opportunities for big pushes, and EC is an easy way to alter the Mania match. This year would be perfect for it too, since Rock/Punk is going to sell the tix. I'm another person that wanted to see Santino win it. Can anyone deny that pop would've been huge?
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jan 13, 2013 21:28:45 GMT -5
It would kill the gimmick unless the winner went on to get a monster push. To me it makes it more real, i.e. there are upsets in real sports all the time why can't a midcarder get lucky and shock the world once?
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Post by Supercheese on Jan 13, 2013 21:31:47 GMT -5
Because some random midcarder who's never on the main show winning the Rumble certainly would not be met with complete apathy and confusion. Yes, because despite being on both shows every week, the crowd was just wild after Del Rio won in 2011 and Sheamus won in 2012. Two guys they were forcing down our throats got little reaction when they won. I don't think it'd hurt if a mid-carder won. You only need to cite Santino's close call as evidence. The crowd gets behind an underdog. It'll bring back some unexpectedness to the Rumble, whilst always entertaining for the appearances amd spots has became quite predictable.
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Post by Reflecto on Jan 14, 2013 2:03:41 GMT -5
The problem there, is that if you don't have the Rumble start a monster push and really WIN the title outright, the Rumble victory itself doesn't necessarily mean much. Best case scenario without the title push for the midcarder, you just got someone to take over Jim Duggan's role of the guy who WWE claims is a huge threat on "He won the first-ever Royal Rumble- he could do it again!", but the fans still know is effectively a joke entrant.
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Post by froggyfrog on Jan 14, 2013 2:12:26 GMT -5
Can you imagine if Zach Ryder would have won last year, and went on to challenge Mark Henry at WM? That would be sick. Instead, we got the terrible Eve storyline. That would've been even more impressive considering Henry didnt even have the WHC then
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