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Post by JCBaggee on Mar 21, 2013 5:06:17 GMT -5
Posthumous inductions aren't always necessary, though. I don't mind not being depressed every year that someone isn't there to receive their honors... They are pretty necessary when there's a long line of people worthy or suitable for induction into their Hall of Fame given their standards. This is who they have inducted in 13 ceremonies posthumously. {Spoiler} 1. Andre The Giant 2. "Nature Boy" Buddy Rogers 3. Antonino Rocca 4. The Grand Wizard 5. Vincent J. McMahon 6. Junkyard Dog 7. Big John Studd 8. Eddie Guerrero 9. "Mr Perfect" Curt Hennig 10. The Sheik 11. High Chief Peter Maivia 12. Eddie Graham 13. Gordon Solie 14. The Von Erichs 15. Gorgeous George 16. Stu Hart 17. Road Warrior Hawk 18. Yokozuna
It's wide range of main eventers to midcarders to guys who never worked for WWE. With a finite number of headliners to sell out ceremonies in the future (maybe 10 plus), they can't really afford to skip posthumous inductions given the standards they've already set. {Spoiler}1. Randy "Macho Man" Savage 2. Lou Thesz 3. Owen Hart 4. "Ravishing" Rick Rude 5. "The British Bulldog" Davey Boy Smith 6. Ray "the Crippler" Stevens 7. Paul Bearer 8. Bam Bam Bigelow 9. Haystacks Calhoun 10. The Big Boss Man 11. Miss Elizabeth 12. Jack Tunney 13. The Fabulous Freebirds 14. Bruiser Brody 15. Shohei "Giant" Baba 16. "Flyin" Brian Pillman 17. John "Earthquake" Tenta 18. Lord Alfred Hayes 19. Dick The Bruiser & Reggie "The Crusher" Lisowski 20. Andy Kaufman 21. "Toots" Mondt 22. Johnny Valentine 23. Chief Wahoo McDaniel 24. Gene Kiniski 25. Stan "the Man" Stasiak 26. Dick Murdoch 27. Adrian Adonis 28. "Dr Death" Steve Williams 29. King Curtis Iaukea 30. "Playboy" Gary Hart 31. Paul Boesch 32. Sam Muchnick 33. Edouard Carpentier 34. Karl Gotch 35. Pat O'Connor 36. Big Bill Miller 37. Gory Guerrero 38. "Hot Stuff" Eddie Gilbert 39. Dr Jerry Graham 40. "Crazy" Luke Graham 41. Sky Low Low 42. Professor Toru Tanaka 43. El Santo 44. Rikidozan 45. "Whipper" Billy Watson 46. Dino Bravo 47. Luna Vachon 48. Brian "Crush" Adams 49. Angelo Poffo 50. Willie Gilzenberg I'm just listing people who were in the television era or have connections to WWE, have some sort of international appeal or have connections to future sites of WrestleMania. Next time they go back to Texas I'm quite convinced Paul Boesch will be brought up again. A guy who never really worked for WWE and is one of many famous promoters. Hell Jim Barnett did stuff for WWE and I didn't even list him. Can't discount Poffo given Lanny's claims. Can't discount Crush at the moment because we don't know who they'll choose for Demolition. etc I know the family insists on all the Poffo's going in together but, man, it would be an outright crime if Macho Man and Miss Elizabeth weren't inducted together.
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Post by Ganon83 on Mar 21, 2013 14:17:03 GMT -5
You know it's a pretty awesome class when just about nobody in the IWC is complaining about the lack of Macho.
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Post by JCBaggee on Mar 21, 2013 15:00:24 GMT -5
You know it's a pretty awesome class when just about nobody in the IWC is complaining about the lack of Macho. I think it's largely due to the overwhelming scale of this class. We're normally scrambling to find that one, huge get for the HoF at this time of year, but Bruno has easily topped that in every way imaginable. And honestly, I think most fans want Macho to go in at a time when he can be the focus, whereas this year all that'll really be talked about is Bruno (though the rest are huge deals).
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Post by Ganon83 on Mar 21, 2013 15:55:13 GMT -5
Even without Bruno, this is a pretty big class. I kinda feel bad for Foley. Instead of being the big, huge headliner in his year, he's kinda in the background ("Look! Bruno! And Backlund! Back in the very arena they sold out for 2 combined decades!.......... oh, and there's Mick.") I know why, with Bruno being last minute, but it just seems strange.
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Post by Citizen Snips on Mar 21, 2013 18:03:37 GMT -5
Even without Bruno, this is a pretty big class. I kinda feel bad for Foley. Instead of being the big, huge headliner in his year, he's kinda in the background ("Look! Bruno! And Backlund! Back in the very arena they sold out for 2 combined decades!.......... oh, and there's Mick.") I know why, with Bruno being last minute, but it just seems strange. I think Foley's still going to the #2 name. He's got a lot more name value than Backlund and was the first one announced. Seemed he was the "headliner" until the Bruno deal came together.
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Post by donbot on Mar 21, 2013 22:37:18 GMT -5
Am I the only one who DOSEN'T want "Macho Man" Randy Savage in? I mean, even if they induct all the Poffos(which is ridicious in itself as Savage is in a class of his own), we'd be missing out on what would've been an epic speech. They should've given into Randy's request and have Angelo inducted one year, and Savage inducted into the following. Oh, and the whole Poffo Family getting in was only said by Lanny himself, after Randy passed away, sounds suspiscious if you ask me.
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Post by hitch on Mar 22, 2013 8:41:32 GMT -5
I'd be in favour of having a 'Icon' wing of the HOF so some people can be reinducted, especially some of those very early inductees who didn't get to have the big fuss over them as is made now.
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Post by mizerable on Mar 23, 2013 14:58:42 GMT -5
Am I the only one who DOSEN'T want "Macho Man" Randy Savage in? I mean, even if they induct all the Poffos(which is ridicious in itself as Savage is in a class of his own), we'd be missing out on what would've been an epic speech. They should've given into Randy's request and have Angelo inducted one year, and Savage inducted into the following. Oh, and the whole Poffo Family getting in was only said by Lanny himself, after Randy passed away, sounds suspiscious if you ask me. I highly doubt most of these wrestlers (with the exception of guys like Bret) hold the HOF in high regard. Most of them do it for the payday, and it's more about the fans than the wrestlers themselves. Lanny has never been one to talk about his career like he was some big name, if anything he's usually somewhat self deprecating and is pretty humble when talking about just about anyone else. I highly highly doubt that Lanny is such a mark that he wants to be put in the HOF as a means of his brother's legacy. The Poffos were a very close family, and I truly believe that if that's what Randy wanted, then Lanny is going to honor his brother's word. The fact of the matter is, Lanny was also approached about it right after the funeral, where WWE did not even give any condolences to the family, only their onscreen tribute, which I still believe was done because so many other outlets were treating it like a huge thing. That said, I think Randy's idea of the family going in is kind of the wrong message to give. He apparently wanted that to happen because of the Von Erichs going in together, which why they were, is totally understandable (even if I wouldn't have included Chris or possibly Mike). The Von Erichs' induction does a lot to cover up the flaws of certain individuals of the family, so inducting them as a unit doesn't get the negative discretion you might get if you inducted Fritz or Kerry by themselves. I never heard any harsh words about the Poffos, and truthfully, I wouldn't mind all three of them going in, since they all contributed something entirely different to the business, although it would need to be three separate inductions. But I'm kind of with you about Randy not going in, at least not now. WWE had plenty of chances to make amends and didn't. They were more interested in selling tickets by having newer guys go in, who were fresh out of the business. Shawn Michaels, Eddie Guerrero...even guys like Austin could have waited a few years if they wanted to spread out the names a little better. Instead of working backwards to forwards when it comes to who they induct, they cherrypick who they want and completely disregard others. I find it pretty f***ing insulting as a fan who knows better. It's gotten to a point where I pretty much know that King Kong Bundy or Demolition aren't going to be making a speech, despite being some of most fascinating characters etched in my brain from my childhood. Hell, even Rick Martel is a complete mystery as to why they haven't gotten him. If we're going to just wait till postmortem, then I'd rather not even get it at all. Seems like a stupid business decision from WWE to not get these guys while they're still alive. Then again, WWE has surprised me by getting Bruno and Richter...as well as reaching out to Warrior. But again, it's the cherrypicking...I never hear rumors about others they've contacted, because they usually don't contact them.
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Post by The Heenan Family on Mar 23, 2013 16:03:16 GMT -5
I think Savage was getting closer and closer to Hall of Fame induction before he died. If Shawn Michaels hadn't retired in 2010, Savage probably would have been a top contender for headliner of the 2011 class. Had Edge not retired in 2011 and Savage hadn't died, again I think he would have been a top contender to headline the 2012 class. Especially since they were going to be in Florida. Time just ran out when really it shouldn't have. He was only 58 or 59? Superstar Billy Graham has somehow managed to live to almost 70 given his health problems.
In terms of pecking order, Savage should have gone in before Bret Hart. But if you saw a window to induct Bret in 2006, you'd take it. Honestly it could have just as easily been Warrior dying of heart attack or Dusty Rhodes or Ric Flair's party life catching up with him. You never know with some of these guys. But I honestly think Savage was going to be inducted as a headliner fairly soon if he hadn't died or if certain wrestlers hadn't retired.
That said, I think WWE should realize that the super heavyweights or giants are on borrowed time. King Kong Bundy, Big Van Vader, One Man Gang, Sycho Sid, Kevin Nash, and Kamala probably won't live too life expectancy or anywhere near that and they're not getting any younger. Andre The Giant, Big John Studd and Yokozuna all had to be inducted posthumously and we still have Bam Bam Bigelow, Earthquake, Big Boss Man, and Haystacks Calhound to come. Not mention Big Show, Mark Henry, Rikishi, Undertaker, and Kane. They have to move on this stuff.
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Post by mizerable on Mar 23, 2013 17:29:55 GMT -5
Nah, I disagree.
Sure, he did his little deal with Mattel, but that was still a long ways from Vince literally going out of his way to get him inducted. If Michaels wasn't inducted that year, it would have been Foley. If not Foley, then someone else like Booker this year or Nash. WWE always has a backup plan if they don't have someone available to sell tickets. I think even now, if Savage was still alive and even if he didn't try to rope the rest of his family in there, I still believe that he wouldn't be there. You take a look at who they'll be inducting in the years to come; Rock, Undertaker, Triple H, I even think they'll probably get Warrior at some point, but I doubt we'd still get Savage, hell guys like Cena and Orton will be retired by the point they run out of "old time friends" to induct right now, so we'll be right back at square 1.
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Post by The Heenan Family on Mar 23, 2013 20:28:16 GMT -5
Nah, I disagree. Sure, he did his little deal with Mattel, but that was still a long ways from Vince literally going out of his way to get him inducted. If Michaels wasn't inducted that year, it would have been Foley. If not Foley, then someone else like Booker this year or Nash. WWE always has a backup plan if they don't have someone available to sell tickets. I think even now, if Savage was still alive and even if he didn't try to rope the rest of his family in there, I still believe that he wouldn't be there. You take a look at who they'll be inducting in the years to come; Rock, Undertaker, Triple H, I even think they'll probably get Warrior at some point, but I doubt we'd still get Savage, hell guys like Cena and Orton will be retired by the point they run out of "old time friends" to induct right now, so we'll be right back at square 1. It probably wouldn't have been Foley in 2011 because he was still with TNA at the time. I think it's fair to say they wouldn't have done the same as they did for Flair the following year because that had more to do with HHH and Shawn personally. As for Foley being the headliner in 2012, by then they would have known if they were heading to New York the following year and thus probably would have tried a different route for the Florida class. Like Savage, who lived in Florida. Booker T is not a Hall of Fame headliner. If WWE thought that, he wouldn't be in the position he is now in the 2013 class. The same goes for Kevin Nash as he's more of a co-headliner. They'd only settle on him headlining if the guy they wanted turned them down like Warrior in the 2010 class. The mattel and video game deals were indicators that Savage was ready to deal with his legacy. While they weren't in any rush to deal with him during the early years of the Hall of Fame, to get business done during a year their headliners were slim, I fully believe he would have been a top contender. But Shawn retired and that became easy for them. Who knows, maybe if Savage hadn't died, they would have had Edge play second fiddle to him like they're doing with Foley or like they did with Piper.
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Post by celticjobber on Mar 24, 2013 5:22:47 GMT -5
Even without Bruno, this is a pretty big class. I kinda feel bad for Foley. Instead of being the big, huge headliner in his year, he's kinda in the background ("Look! Bruno! And Backlund! Back in the very arena they sold out for 2 combined decades!.......... oh, and there's Mick.") I know why, with Bruno being last minute, but it just seems strange. I think Foley's still going to the #2 name. He's got a lot more name value than Backlund and was the first one announced. Seemed he was the "headliner" until the Bruno deal came together. I heard an interview with X-Pac where he basically said DX would probably have been the headliners this year if Hunter wasn't able to get Bruno to agree to an induction.
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Post by The Heenan Family on Mar 24, 2013 13:35:16 GMT -5
The lucky people who get to miss the Hall of Fame ceremony due to signings.
Saturday, April 6, 6-10 p.m. Kofi Kingston, Dolph Ziggler, AJ Lee, Ryback, Santino Marella, The Shield, Christian, R-Truth, Ezekiel Jackson, Tensai, Big E. Langston, Justin Gabriel, Tyson Kidd, Yoshi Tatsu, Rikishi, Howard Finkel and more TBA.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Mar 25, 2013 11:43:43 GMT -5
It's official. Arnie's inducting Bruno. It was posted with this pic:
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Post by wildojinx on Mar 25, 2013 12:34:23 GMT -5
As for any other inductees, i could see Mike Rotundo getting in. I think he's already a road agent, and as for achievements, he's got mutiple tag title reigns under his belt as well.
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Post by RadcapRadsley on Mar 25, 2013 17:23:05 GMT -5
It's official. Arnie's inducting Bruno. It was posted with this pic: So can he stop pretending now that Bruno's objection with WWE all these years was because he was offended by steroids considering who is inducting him. Dude was just pissed they keeped him working in the 80s under the guise they would put his *hit son over and never planned to and that's where he felt burned by them.
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Post by donbot on Mar 25, 2013 18:06:03 GMT -5
Am I the only one who DOSEN'T want "Macho Man" Randy Savage in? I mean, even if they induct all the Poffos(which is ridicious in itself as Savage is in a class of his own), we'd be missing out on what would've been an epic speech. They should've given into Randy's request and have Angelo inducted one year, and Savage inducted into the following. Oh, and the whole Poffo Family getting in was only said by Lanny himself, after Randy passed away, sounds suspiscious if you ask me. Lanny has never been one to talk about his career like he was some big name, if anything he's usually somewhat self deprecating and is pretty humble when talking about just about anyone else. I highly highly doubt that Lanny is such a mark that he wants to be put in the HOF as a means of his brother's legacy. The Poffos were a very close family, and I truly believe that if that's what Randy wanted, then Lanny is going to honor his brother's word. The fact of the matter is, Lanny was also approached about it right after the funeral, where WWE did not even give any condolences to the family, only their onscreen tribute, which I still believe was done because so many other outlets were treating it like a huge thing. It was well known that Randy wanted to be inducted, only if his father got in with him. He never said or has given any indication that Lanny would go in as well. Then, once he died, Lanny claims that he wanted all three of them to go in. That sounds less like honoring his brothers wishes, and more like a sleazeball attempt to cash in on his death. I wish I can find the shoot interview Lanny did where he talks about Randy Savage and the Hall of Fame, and he didn't mention anything about his induction. Just Randy going in with his father. Once Randy died, Lanny claims his brother wanted all three of them in. All of a sudden the story changes and its only from Lanny himself knowing he can't be disputed. Sounds skeptical at best.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2013 18:16:38 GMT -5
The lucky people who get to miss the Hall of Fame ceremony due to signings. Saturday, April 6, 6-10 p.m. Kofi Kingston, Dolph Ziggler, AJ Lee, Ryback, Santino Marella, The Shield, Christian, R-Truth, Ezekiel Jackson, Tensai, Big E. Langston, Justin Gabriel, Tyson Kidd, Yoshi Tatsu, Rikishi, Howard Finkel and more TBA. This could be changed. I recall Teddy Long was booked for a signing during the HOF last year (when his friend Ron Simmons was being inducted), but IIRC he ended up being at the HOF anyway. I mean, Finkel not being at the ceremony when Bruno and Backlund go in sounds obscene (but it also sounds like a prank they'd play on him anyway...)
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Post by celticjobber on Mar 26, 2013 6:04:37 GMT -5
I know the family insists on all the Poffo's going in together but, man, it would be an outright crime if Macho Man and Miss Elizabeth weren't inducted together. Elizabeth's family (especially her mother) blamed the pro wrestling business for her death. They didn't even allow any wrestlers to attend her funeral services. So I think it would be another Owen Hart-type of situation where Elizabeth's family wouldn't allow her to be inducted.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2013 9:04:05 GMT -5
I know the family insists on all the Poffo's going in together but, man, it would be an outright crime if Macho Man and Miss Elizabeth weren't inducted together. Elizabeth's family (especially her mother) blamed the pro wrestling business for her death. They didn't even allow any wrestlers to attend her funeral services. So I think it would be another Owen Hart-type of situation where Elizabeth's family wouldn't allow her to be inducted. That was 10 years ago. Time heals wounds, and if they would get presented in a way that the induction is another way to celebrate her life, I'm sure the family would be more willing to accept. Btw. she wasn't married to Luger?
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