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Post by sonofblaine on Jan 15, 2013 6:28:00 GMT -5
Between the girls on the roster and developmental, there are some very talented women. The problem isn't the women's roster. The problem is that the average Joe who tunes in to WWE, says "Yay Cena!" and chants whatever the Rock tells them too don't care about women's wrestling. The average 9 year old boy wants to see Kane do a chokeslam, not Alicia Fox perform a perfect bridge. The 15 year old boys in the audience want to see Kaitlyn's boobies, not her powerbomb. And Joe schmo who's only knowledge of wrestling comes from WWE programming and it's website would rather see Ryback squash Jobbers than Paige and Natalya put on a 5 star match.
And the WWE knows this and gives the people who make them money what they want.
If I've said it once, I've said it a hundred times... WWE needs to do a an hour long Diva's show, filmed prior to the big shows, ala Superstars, Main Event, etc. and have it on Youtube/Hulu. Hell, even better, do it down at Full Sail where the crowds are amazing! The pre TV crowds would sound like a graveyard, but I've heard the NXT crowd chant "This is Awesome!" for a Jinder Mahal match. They love their wrestling!
The production would be SO minimal. They should bring up the developmental talent. Give Sara Del Ray a role to play both behind the scenes and on screen, perhaps as GM. The writes should, for the most part format it JUST like a regular show. Forget the genders. Write a show with people fueding over real stuff! World and tag titles. Revenge for costing matches. Backstage attacks. Catty angles like "You stole my man!" can exist, but on the minimal; only one at a time.
This would appease all the people who love women's wrestling and want to see the division revitalized. It would satisfy people who want to see it gone from TV and women's roles reduced to side characters and valets, and open up space for the regular roster. People who might normally go to the bathroom, might tune in and enjoy the Diva's show.
Then, after a year, if the show is a success, you start to slowly reintegrate Women's wrestling back on TV, letting them work matches and stories the way they do on their own show, not forgettable angles and 3 minute matches.
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Post by Bo Rida on Jan 15, 2013 7:33:22 GMT -5
It's time for the NXT invasion, Paige leads the NXT divas to Raw to capture the divas title and take it back to NXT where the real womens wrestlers are. Of course that angle would have worked much better if Eve, Kelly and the Bellas were still around.
Anyway I think it's soley down to the presentation, people can talk about it being better with Trish, Lita, Mickie etc and they'd be right but even they would struggle with the way the division is currently booked (just like Beth and Natalya have).
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Post by Arrow on Jan 15, 2013 9:24:31 GMT -5
Between the girls on the roster and developmental, there are some very talented women. The problem isn't the women's roster. The problem is that the average Joe who tunes in to WWE, says "Yay Cena!" and chants whatever the Rock tells them too don't care about women's wrestling.If that's the case, then it's a problem with the women's roster. If people would rather see someone else over you, then you're clearly not doing your job right. Eve and Kaitlyn have had an ongoing storyline for months, had plenty of time and attention devoted to it, and had a solid beginning, middle, and end. That's more than most midcard angles ever get. If people would still rather see someone like Ryback, then there's no one else to look at but the Divas. Honest question here, when was the last time that Diva's wrestling was a profitable attraction in its own right instead of just a sideshow?
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jan 15, 2013 9:31:20 GMT -5
Honest question here, when was the last time that Diva's wrestling was a profitable attraction in its own right instead of just a sideshow? In all honesty, I don't think it has been since The Rock N' Wrestling Connection thing with Wendi Richter and Cyndi Lauper. I mean, there have been popular women since that time, but in terms of being something that was actively hyped as a major attraction, then not since the mid '80s, I'm afraid.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jan 15, 2013 9:45:49 GMT -5
Even during the supposed glory days of the Divas division, they weren't treated as main event material. Outside of that one steel cage main event, they were treated as midcard filler. All they got to do is bring up Paige, Summer Rae, and Audrey Marie to fill out the slots.
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 15, 2013 14:19:27 GMT -5
I actually think the opposite. I think now is a time to refocus. There is a decent basis of a division forming, primarily around Kaitlyn and AJ.
You have Kaitlyn and AJ who can become the faces of the division. Then you have Nattie who is excellent, Naomi looks exciting and Layla and Alicia. A good and diverse set of Divas. Add two or three more to that and I think you're set for a while. Especially Paige who is VERY talented. Considering WWE gives Divas 3 or 4 segments a week it doesn't need an incredibly deep roster. A handful of genuine talents is enough to carry it and make it interesting.
The problem isn't in the depth of talent and more in the lack of consistent angles(just as it is with the mens roster). If they keep giving us actual feuds like the one between Kaitlyn and Eve then the Divas Division is doing well. I just hope they notice the potential they have and realise Natalya might be better off actually wrestling in her own angles rather than being on The Great Khali's arm for example.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2013 14:27:10 GMT -5
This is going to be a stupid thing to point out but I'm really disappointed in this. the post-Trish/Lita crew of Maria, McCool, Candice, Mickie James - also gone, a good amount of them forgotten too. You leave out Melina, who was still getting cheered when they fired her, but Michelle McCool, who never got over with live crowds, is in this group? Candice wasn't that popular, either. More than Michelle was, anyway, but that's not saying a whole lot.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2013 14:29:54 GMT -5
I think they should either shit or get off the pot.
Either really build a division or transition them into valets/manager roles who can occasionally wrestle mixed tag matches.
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Post by norsisclouds on Jan 15, 2013 14:41:31 GMT -5
Even Stephanie defended the belt when she had it. No she didn't. Yes she did...she always had matches and would find a way to cheat Lita/Jackie whoever out of the belt, by having Tori beat them up or Angle run interference, or her husband do something. That's what made the title chase matter...she kept cheating Lita out of the belt by getting her beat up, or pulling politics and pretending to be injured in a match getting Angle to interfere and cover her. The big main event pay off was that Lita had the Hardys at ringside, the Rock as the ref, to counter Triple H and Kurt who were always running interference for Stephanie to protect her title reign. ...no, she didn't. She won it on on March 28, 2000. She had two non-title matches against Lita in June (one was a minute long, the other 12 seconds), one tag match in July, one tag match in August, and lost her first and only title defense in August to Lita. This really isn't true. I just watched a few of those on YT a few months ago, where she had to put her belt on the line but found a way to cheat her way out of it.
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Post by klapaucius on Jan 15, 2013 16:11:22 GMT -5
I disagree.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2013 16:25:51 GMT -5
From 1984-1995, the previous "family friendly/PG" era, the women's roster consisted of a champion and 1 or 2 challengers, and from mid-1989 to late-1993, there was no women's championship at all. They only started having a full roster of women in the TV-14 era.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2013 16:27:53 GMT -5
I actually think the opposite. I think now is a time to refocus. There is a decent basis of a division forming, primarily around Kaitlyn and AJ. You have Kaitlyn and AJ who can become the faces of the division. Then you have Nattie who is excellent, Naomi looks exciting and Layla and Alicia. A good and diverse set of Divas. Add two or three more to that and I think you're set for a while. Especially Paige who is VERY talented. Considering WWE gives Divas 3 or 4 segments a week it doesn't need an incredibly deep roster. A handful of genuine talents is enough to carry it and make it interesting. Divas matches get 1 segment a week. 2 if there is a Divas match on Smackdown. That's probably a big reason why WWE doesn't seem to care when they leave.
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Post by Hanz Moleman on Jan 15, 2013 16:44:47 GMT -5
I was under the impression that with the exception of Beth, the divas division was being torn down so it can be built back up. Atleast thats how I've been viewing it. Haven't they been bringing more women with wrestling experience down in NXT?
I like to think that someone somewhere realized they got away from wrestling and just started hiring pretty faces, making diva matches piss breaks. You get a couple ladies who can grapple with the best of them, and people will watch.
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Post by The Doctor on Jan 15, 2013 16:48:13 GMT -5
I actually think the opposite. I think now is a time to refocus. There is a decent basis of a division forming, primarily around Kaitlyn and AJ. You have Kaitlyn and AJ who can become the faces of the division. Then you have Nattie who is excellent, Naomi looks exciting and Layla and Alicia. A good and diverse set of Divas. Add two or three more to that and I think you're set for a while. Especially Paige who is VERY talented. Considering WWE gives Divas 3 or 4 segments a week it doesn't need an incredibly deep roster. A handful of genuine talents is enough to carry it and make it interesting. Divas matches get 1 segment a week. 2 if there is a Divas match on Smackdown. That's probably a big reason why WWE doesn't seem to care when they leave. Well, yeah, I guess. I was just thinking of the occasional backstage bit they get as well. Which probably doesn't amount to a segment(in the truest sense of the word) come to think of it. But my point remains. There's no need for a big roster when there is only limited time open to showcase them.
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Post by softcorepromo on Jan 15, 2013 17:38:04 GMT -5
I'm still getting over Nova's release.
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Post by Dat Dude on Jan 15, 2013 18:00:08 GMT -5
If I've said it once, I've said it a hundred times... WWE needs to do a an hour long Diva's show, filmed prior to the big shows, ala Superstars, Main Event, etc. and have it on Youtube/Hulu. Hell, even better, do it down at Full Sail where the crowds are amazing! The pre TV crowds would sound like a graveyard, but I've heard the NXT crowd chant "This is Awesome!" for a Jinder Mahal match. They love their wrestling! The production would be SO minimal. They should bring up the developmental talent. Give Sara Del Ray a role to play both behind the scenes and on screen, perhaps as GM. The writes should, for the most part format it JUST like a regular show. Forget the genders. Write a show with people fueding over real stuff! World and tag titles. Revenge for costing matches. Backstage attacks. Catty angles like "You stole my man!" can exist, but on the minimal; only one at a time. This would appease all the people who love women's wrestling and want to see the division revitalized. It would satisfy people who want to see it gone from TV and women's roles reduced to side characters and valets, and open up space for the regular roster. People who might normally go to the bathroom, might tune in and enjoy the Diva's show. Then, after a year, if the show is a success, you start to slowly reintegrate Women's wrestling back on TV, letting them work matches and stories the way they do on their own show, not forgettable angles and 3 minute matches. I've been echoing this sentiment for a while now.
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Post by g1megatronfan on Jan 15, 2013 18:01:22 GMT -5
If WWE was really serious about building up the divas division they would have done it a long time ago. They missed a good opportunity to get people to care a little when they turned AJ heel for no good reason what so ever. Despite the fact they spent the bulk of 2012 trying to get fans behind her as a babyface.
That division is lacking the one girl who could get fans to care even a little. Trish could, so could Lita, ditto with Mickie James and to some extent so could Melina. They tried with so many girls to find that one diva who could get the fans interested.
They had it.
They blew it for a non-sense heel turn.
Now Kaitlyn has it and while she's okay...she'll probably become like babyface Eve...a few small cheers here and there but nowhere what they want. Doing stupid things like turning their most popular diva since Mickie James just goes to show they obviously aren't serious about the division.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 15, 2013 18:58:59 GMT -5
Absolute PR toxin.
"We don't want any women wrestling on our show."
Yeah, that'll go over fantastically.
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Post by mrtuesday on Jan 15, 2013 20:17:02 GMT -5
Absolute PR toxin. "We don't want any women wrestling on our show." Yeah, that'll go over fantastically. There are so many women's groups waiting to sue WWE over something like that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2013 20:24:38 GMT -5
Absolute PR toxin. "We don't want any women wrestling on our show." Yeah, that'll go over fantastically. There are so many women's groups waiting to sue WWE over something like that. That's why I've said before that the women should work as a group to get more TV time. If WWE fires all of them it would cause an uproar among those same groups.
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