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Post by Arrow on Jan 15, 2013 20:45:18 GMT -5
There are so many women's groups waiting to sue WWE over something like that. That's why I've said before that the women should work as a group to get more TV time. If WWE fires all of them it would cause an uproar among those same groups. WWE could argue that because the women don't bring in much revenue, or are even popular, they're perfectly justified in scaling back the amount of time they take up. TV shows can add or write out characters as they please, and when you get right down it, the Divas wrestlers are just that... characters. It'd be an uphill battle generating enough support for WWE to change their minds. They wouldn't even have to abolish the Divas division outright or anything, they could just as easily... not use them. Or put the women in valet roles so that while they're a part of the show, they're not wrestling. As an entertainment company, they have that right. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2013 20:46:17 GMT -5
Absolute PR toxin. "We don't want any women wrestling on our show." Yeah, that'll go over fantastically. There are so many women's groups waiting to sue WWE over something like that. And those groups would get crushed. The Divas are only a small fraction of the women in a company that has a few hundred employees besides the on-air talent. Johnny Ace's successor in talent relations, the person responsible for hiring and firing the talent, is a woman. There's women working behind the scenes, and women working in WWE's U.S. office and the various international offices. And do/would these women's groups feel the same about the indy promotions in the U.S. and around the world that have all-male or all-female talent rosters? |
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Post by Andrew is Good on Jan 15, 2013 20:49:43 GMT -5
I would be for the firing of the majority of them, simply to press the reset button. Maybe keep four, Kaitlyn, AJ, Natalya and some other person. With that, you can slowly bring people in restart the division.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2013 21:00:44 GMT -5
I don't have a horse in this race at all, as I don't even watch wrestling that often, and even when I do, it's all on YT.
That said.. it annoys the hell out of me that they're called the Divas. It's just like Powderpuff football.
It's a side thing because it's titled and treated like a side thing. Oh, it isn't *real* football, it's Powderpuff football.. you know.. for girls. Same thing here. Well, we like the tits and ass, but only for so long, because wrestling is a man's sport.
I'm not remotely saying that this is the mindset of everybody watching, but it's hard not to separate the two in your mind. Men's wrestling isn't anything special, there's no separation for them. They each have their own gimmicks or teams or what-have-you. All the women are lumped together. These are the Divas, therefore, they are *different* than the men.
F*** that. In my opinion, the women should be out there wrestling against the men.
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Post by PKO on Jan 15, 2013 21:01:33 GMT -5
I actually think the opposite. I think now is a time to refocus. There is a decent basis of a division forming, primarily around Kaitlyn and AJ. You have Kaitlyn and AJ who can become the faces of the division. Then you have Nattie who is excellent, Naomi looks exciting and Layla and Alicia. A good and diverse set of Divas. Add two or three more to that and I think you're set for a while. Especially Paige who is VERY talented. Considering WWE gives Divas 3 or 4 segments a week it doesn't need an incredibly deep roster. A handful of genuine talents is enough to carry it and make it interesting. The problem isn't in the depth of talent and more in the lack of consistent angles(just as it is with the mens roster). If they keep giving us actual feuds like the one between Kaitlyn and Eve then the Divas Division is doing well. I just hope they notice the potential they have and realise Natalya might be better off actually wrestling in her own angles rather than being on The Great Khali's arm for example. Agreed on pretty much all points. They have enough talent for an entertaining division on the Main Roster alone (Kaitlyn, AJ, Naomi, Natalya, Layla, Alicia, Tamina), and throw in a few NXT girls over the next year (Paige, Emma, Audrey, Sasha) and we're cooking. Rather than push the reset button they should just slowly build up the division and the women, which they seem to be doing anyway. **Unrelated but amusing; my screen froze as the main page was loading so this thread said "It's time to phase out the Divas Twinkie Tits"** |
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Post by Mac on Jan 15, 2013 21:51:03 GMT -5
Nobody cares, and people keep saying "give them time to get over" and still it's considered bathroom break TV. Every now and then theres an "ok" match and people harp on it and say how good it was despite it being totally forgetable TV minutes later. End it, people have never cared for a long duration of time about it, and it's not going to change.
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Jan 15, 2013 23:46:48 GMT -5
Nobody cares, and people keep saying "give them time to get over" and still it's considered bathroom break TV. Every now and then theres an "ok" match and people harp on it and say how good it was despite it being totally forgetable TV minutes later. End it, people have never cared for a long duration of time about it, and it's not going to change. Thank you for the contribution. |
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Post by Djm Doesn't Find You Funny on Jan 15, 2013 23:59:46 GMT -5
Nobody cares, and people keep saying "give them time to get over" and still it's considered bathroom break TV. Every now and then theres an "ok" match and people harp on it and say how good it was despite it being totally forgetable TV minutes later. End it, people have never cared for a long duration of time about it, and it's not going to change. Thank you for the contribution. And thank you for yours. WWE Management is making little to no effort to give the fans at large any reason to care about the I-refuse-to-call-it-a-division. They're not changing their philosophy on it. WWE.com still gets plenty of hits for the photoshoots. All of the divas can still do press events and talk about WWE puts smiles on people's faces. Honestly, what do the "matches" on TV even contribute? |
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Jan 16, 2013 0:15:31 GMT -5
Thank you for the contribution. And thank you for yours. WWE Management is making little to no effort to give the fans at large any reason to care about the I-refuse-to-call-it-a-division. They're not changing their philosophy on it. WWE.com still gets plenty of hits for the photoshoots. All of the divas can still do press events and talk about WWE puts smiles on people's faces. Honestly, what do the "matches" on TV even contribute? Showing women can do more than smile, wave, and hold someone else's title, for one. Not to mention, you more or less hit the nail on the head in the opener. There is another option besides kill the division and relegate the Divas to smiling bimbos to flirt with the guys and be in peril every now and again. Speaking for myself, if you have Natalya and Paige signed and that's how you plan to use them, your brain must be broken. |
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Post by metylerca on Jan 16, 2013 0:26:14 GMT -5
Nobody cares, and people keep saying "give them time to get over" and still it's considered bathroom break TV. Every now and then theres an "ok" match and people harp on it and say how good it was despite it being totally forgetable TV minutes later. End it, people have never cared for a long duration of time about it, and it's not going to change. Pretty much this. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2013 2:33:17 GMT -5
It's been time to phase out the division for over 5 years.
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Post by Djm Doesn't Find You Funny on Jan 16, 2013 19:22:53 GMT -5
And thank you for yours. WWE Management is making little to no effort to give the fans at large any reason to care about the I-refuse-to-call-it-a-division. They're not changing their philosophy on it. WWE.com still gets plenty of hits for the photoshoots. All of the divas can still do press events and talk about WWE puts smiles on people's faces. Honestly, what do the "matches" on TV even contribute? Showing women can do more than smile, wave, and hold someone else's title, for one. Not to mention, you more or less hit the nail on the head in the opener. There is another option besides kill the division and relegate the Divas to smiling bimbos to flirt with the guys and be in peril every now and again. Speaking for myself, if you have Natalya and Paige signed and that's how you plan to use them, your brain must be broken. Yes, yes. It's always the NEXT girl in developmental that will turn things around. Honestly. If anyone things that WWE is ever going to do more with the divas than what they're doing now, whose brain is really broken? Also, Natalya has pretty much made it clear that she doesn't care about her spot on TV and the "division" nearly as much as some fans do. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2013 21:13:03 GMT -5
Showing women can do more than smile, wave, and hold someone else's title, for one. Not to mention, you more or less hit the nail on the head in the opener. There is another option besides kill the division and relegate the Divas to smiling bimbos to flirt with the guys and be in peril every now and again. Speaking for myself, if you have Natalya and Paige signed and that's how you plan to use them, your brain must be broken. I liked this part especially. |
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Jan 16, 2013 22:00:08 GMT -5
I'm still getting over Nova's release. Come on man. He had a good run as Simon Dean, but really where else could they gone with that character? It's been years, dude. You need to move past it. |
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Jan 16, 2013 22:13:20 GMT -5
Yeah, because giving up has always led to progress.
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Post by nisidhe on Jan 16, 2013 22:58:05 GMT -5
The Divas division is in nowhere near as dire straits as the women's division was in late 1989-1993, or as the women's division when Alundra Blayze held the title. If anything, the Divas are punching above their weight class in terms of TV time and spots on PPVs. They're given a shot at least one or twice a week. This is an absolute sea-change from the maybe monthly nod they used to get.
Perhaps, though, what we want are _more_ Divas matches? We're complaining about the division because, maybe, we've got more dogs in this fight than we realize. The current roster consists of Kaitlyn, AJ, Natalya, Layla, Alicia Fox, Tamina, Aksana and Rosa Mendez. That's eight Divas on the main roster alone. Bring up the NXT Divas and/or an import or two from overseas, and you've enough talent to support a singles Divas champion _and_ a pair of tag-team champions; theoretically, you've also got enough for one of them to share a mixed-tag title with one of the men.
The numbers are there; WWE needs only to put additional resources from the Creative team to get people interested in the Divas. Expand the variety of ring gear, add swag to the WWE Shop, and come up with some interesting storylines to pull people in.
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Post by Andy Martin on Jan 16, 2013 23:07:14 GMT -5
Yeah, because giving up has always led to progress. Especially when you can argue that they're making progress RIGHT NOW(if you factor in developmental) |
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Post by 543Y2J on Jan 16, 2013 23:08:01 GMT -5
Push Kaitlyn and AJ as the new Trish and Lita... cut everybody else (except Natalya) and rebuild. This and add Paige to the main roster asap. Then build off the 3 of them |
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Post by gl83 on Jan 16, 2013 23:31:14 GMT -5
Push Kaitlyn and AJ as the new Trish and Lita... cut everybody else (except Natalya) and rebuild. This and add Paige to the main roster asap. Then build off the 3 of them I don't think the division needs to be scrapped. i mean it's nowhere near as bad as it was in 2005, when Trish suffered a back injury and was taken off TV, Lita tore her ACL and Molly Holly left WWE leaving the diva division with only Victoria, Torrie Wilson, a recently debuted Melina and a bunch of green Diva Search girls(i.e. Christy Hemme, Michelle McCool, Candice Michelle, Maria, Joy Giovanni) |
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Post by Starshine on Jan 16, 2013 23:37:24 GMT -5
I can't be bothered to read this whole thing, so someone else probably already said this.
Whah I'd do was pick the diva, face or heel, who is the most over on the roster and give them the belt asap. Then I'd keep them as a holding pattern champion, defending the belt on the rare occasion, but generally keeping a spot on TV. Then you focus on developing the divas in ring and character skills until you get two or three others who can really go. Then at that point do an angle with that one and the champion and build up the title switch as a big deal. Then they can move on and feud with the other diva who showed the most promise, and give the division some real stability.
Basically I think they should do the thing they did with Stratus holding the belt over a year, and her feud with Mickie James. Except have a follow up that can last.
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