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Post by Legion on Jan 15, 2013 13:46:16 GMT -5
People love simple answers: "Doctor, why am I obese?" "Well, likely because of your sedentary lifestyle and poor eating habits." "BWAH!?!?!!?" "Yes, see - eating fatty foods, not exercising and drinking high calorie drinks like soda cause your body to-" "I knew it wasn't my fault! DAMN YOU COCA COLA!!!!" Exactly.
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Post by Push R Truth on Jan 15, 2013 13:54:23 GMT -5
I dunno, I feel like this "health craze" is starting to get a bit paranoia-like. It seems like every week there's something new out there that can/will kill you if you drink/eat it. Not defending soda or the fact that it isn't the best thing to drink (although better than diet, ironically), but I kind of think that scaring people into eating better isn't the right way to go about this. Things can go overboard (The organic movement is a huge one), but when you take into account just how much diets, food production, and the food industry has changed for the worse, a little scare tactic is probably warranted. I take some offense to people talking about the whole industry going down the toilet when it wasn't that long ago when you didn't even know what was in your food. Today you at least get a 17 syllable word, back in the day it just said "GRADE A BEEF" instead of sawdust and rejected dogfood. Also, a little thing called refrigeration was kinda a positive change. Many people literally died every day of food illnesses as little as 2 generations ago. Now, a half dozen people die in a month and it's considered a catastrophe for the industry. That alone shows the massive strides forward we've taken. Granted, a lot of today's stuff very shady, but let's not pretend like we are anywhere close to how terrible it really was. Your hotdog today is at least lips and assholes with only a 1% chance of including a mafia victim.
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Post by limoncello on Jan 15, 2013 14:03:19 GMT -5
Here's a novel concept. If you think soda is too fattening, DON'T DRINK IT. It's called PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.
We have a crippling deficit, unemployment, people underfed and homeless... and we're worried about beverages. Our priorities are so skewed.
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Post by xCompackx on Jan 15, 2013 14:07:18 GMT -5
Things can go overboard (The organic movement is a huge one), but when you take into account just how much diets, food production, and the food industry has changed for the worse, a little scare tactic is probably warranted. I take some offense to people talking about the whole industry going down the toilet when it wasn't that long ago when you didn't even know what was in your food. Today you at least get a 17 syllable word, back in the day it just said "GRADE A BEEF" instead of sawdust and rejected dogfood. Also, a little thing called refrigeration was kinda a positive change. Many people literally died every day of food illnesses as little as 2 generations ago. Now, a half dozen people die in a month and it's considered a catastrophe for the industry. That alone shows the massive strides forward we've taken. Granted, a lot of today's stuff very shady, but let's not pretend like we are anywhere close to how terrible it really was. Your hotdog today is at least lips and assholes with only a 1% chance of including a mafia victim. I can see it both ways, I suppose. The fact we're still using aspartame and other such chemicals when we know it's really bad for you is still a shame, but I think we're moving forward more than we have in the past. I know that there's still stubbornness when it comes to personal responsibility, but I think there's a way to educate without putting false facts and exaggerations out there.
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Post by wildojinx on Jan 15, 2013 14:17:13 GMT -5
I still drink soda, but i also make sure to take at least one walk every day (unless its raining). You'd be surprised to see how much weight you can lose with a simple walk. I also make sure to never drink more than one soda a day, never multiple sodas.
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Post by Citizen Grimm on Jan 15, 2013 14:33:07 GMT -5
To me, drinking pop itself isn't exactly a large problem.
Its drinking a lot of pop while not doing anything physically. With pop essentially being empty calories, its going to pile up fast if you're not doing anything to burn off said calories.
Personally, I try and limit myself to a single glass of pop a day.
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Post by Red Impact on Jan 15, 2013 15:17:19 GMT -5
I still drink soda, but i also make sure to take at least one walk every day (unless its raining). You'd be surprised to see how much weight you can lose with a simple walk. I also make sure to never drink more than one soda a day, never multiple sodas. You can lose weight eating anything. There was a recent story of a college professor losing weight on nothing but snack cakes recently, just to prove a point. It's just about taking in fewer calories than you burn, and you will eventually lose weight even if you're eating nothing but Twix bars and not working out and all. Things can go overboard (The organic movement is a huge one), but when you take into account just how much diets, food production, and the food industry has changed for the worse, a little scare tactic is probably warranted. I take some offense to people talking about the whole industry going down the toilet when it wasn't that long ago when you didn't even know what was in your food. Today you at least get a 17 syllable word, back in the day it just said "GRADE A BEEF" instead of sawdust and rejected dogfood. Also, a little thing called refrigeration was kinda a positive change. Many people literally died every day of food illnesses as little as 2 generations ago. Now, a half dozen people die in a month and it's considered a catastrophe for the industry. That alone shows the massive strides forward we've taken. Granted, a lot of today's stuff very shady, but let's not pretend like we are anywhere close to how terrible it really was. Your hotdog today is at least lips and assholes with only a 1% chance of including a mafia victim. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying everything that has happened with food has been awful and bad. You're right in that we have made things a lot better safety wise. But the food processing industry still really needs to be taken to task for a lot of what gets marketed and put on the shelves and sold, and I think there are many areas where it's only gotten worse. Putting a 17-letter-chemical name on the back of a package doesn't really help if people don't know what that means, and it doesn't help if it's just a word and doesn't show how it was really made. You don't know that most orange juice sold is basically just colored and treated water that had been sitting in tanks for so long that any essence of the original fruit is gone just by reading the package. And that's not even assuming that what NPR reported was being sold as calamari is true.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jan 15, 2013 15:32:36 GMT -5
Who is the ban pissing off most? Do you like or hate those people that it's pissing off?
That's what most determines how people feel about things like this, anymore.
We're a schadenfreude society, baby.
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Post by wildojinx on Jan 15, 2013 16:46:47 GMT -5
Also, this is unrelated, but whats with some people in this thread calling soda "pop"? Ive never heard soda referred to as pop (aside from the term soda pop) and i've lived in both the north and south so it cant be a regional thing.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Jan 15, 2013 16:55:15 GMT -5
Also, this is unrelated, but whats with some people in this thread calling soda "pop"? Ive never heard soda referred to as pop (aside from the term soda pop) and i've lived in both the north and south so it cant be a regional thing. I was watching how the states got their shapes and they mention this. Here's a map that helps break it down: tastyresearch.files.wordpress.com/2006/10/popvssodamap.pngI've always called it soda, but another popular one I've heard is "coke" as a generic catch all for soda.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jan 15, 2013 16:58:50 GMT -5
I drink soda, but for the most part I only drink either organic or "made from real sugar" varieties, and only stick to common brands when I'm low on cash.
I don't worry about aspartame because for the most part, everything is bad for you anyway. It's funny that some people avoid sugar substitutes but probably still smoke and/or drink alcohol
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Post by Red Impact on Jan 15, 2013 16:59:17 GMT -5
Also, this is unrelated, but whats with some people in this thread calling soda "pop"? Ive never heard soda referred to as pop (aside from the term soda pop) and i've lived in both the north and south so it cant be a regional thing. You think that's weird? Some places around here, everything is just called Coke. It's not uncommon to be asked "what kind of coke do you want?"
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Post by Orange on Jan 15, 2013 17:00:06 GMT -5
Also, this is unrelated, but whats with some people in this thread calling soda "pop"? Ive never heard soda referred to as pop (aside from the term soda pop) and i've lived in both the north and south so it cant be a regional thing. I'm surprised you haven't - I thought it was a fairly common thing. It is here, anyway - not sure if that stretches out to the entire West, though.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jan 15, 2013 21:07:38 GMT -5
The problem with soft drinks is that they're amongst the most empty of empty calories, offering no nutritional value whatsoever. Then you've got the diet drinks, which have aspartame in them and thus are linked to various health and metabolism problems. I still drink some now and then, but I've really done my best to stick to seltzer. Getting a soda stream definitely helped. I'm looking into a Soda Stream thing myself, just for the saving money aspect. $150 upfront, I think, and I have Christmas gift cards for Best buy.... Are all the flavors low/no calorie drinks? I try my best not to "Drink calories" (Milk the only exception because skim/fatfree tastes like milk-flavored water ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) ) It's been a good investment so far (though you do need to pay to refill the carbonator now and then). It usually comes with a sample pack of flavors, some "diet" and some regular. I've tried a few of them, but honestly haven't found any that great, and I honestly use it mostly for plain seltzer, anyway. In that regard it really is a nice thing to have, much simpler, more economical, and more "green" than having to go out and buy bottles of the stuff repeatedly. While the infatuation with soft drinks and whatnot can certainly be argued as a case of misplaced priorities, don't neglect that plenty of that deficit problem stems from ballooning healthcare costs, which can go up if more people are regularly consuming unhealthy things.
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Post by xCompackx on Jan 15, 2013 21:31:28 GMT -5
For the folks that have or are interested in getting a Sodastream, they now have Kool-Aid flavors of soda. Really, really ingenious way of getting your fill without feeling the calories.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 15, 2013 21:41:19 GMT -5
Also, this is unrelated, but whats with some people in this thread calling soda "pop"? Ive never heard soda referred to as pop (aside from the term soda pop) and i've lived in both the north and south so it cant be a regional thing. I was watching how the states got their shapes and they mention this. Here's a map that helps break it down: tastyresearch.files.wordpress.com/2006/10/popvssodamap.pngI've always called it soda, but another popular one I've heard is "coke" as a generic catch all for soda. I've only heard all soda called Coke in places like Georgia which makes sense as that's where Coca-Cola started.
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Jan 16, 2013 0:10:35 GMT -5
I drink soda, but for the most part I only drink either organic or "made from real sugar" varieties, and only stick to common brands when I'm low on cash. I don't worry about aspartame because for the most part, everything is bad for you anyway. It's funny that some people avoid sugar substitutes but probably still smoke and/or drink alcohol That and the "health risks" pointed at aspartame are incoherent (there is no common agreement on what is bad, but plenty of symptoms evidently), unsubstantiated, and clinically debunked. You'd have to drink extremely exorbitant amounts of the stuff over a long period of time to experience ill effects; we're talking far beyond a Big Gulp of Diet Coke every day. It's bunk and it doesn't make regular pop any healthier. In other words, kids, regular, diet, pick your poison. I pick diet because I don't want diabetes and I dislike the sticky aftertaste of sugar. Also better on the teeth. As for the problem with society getting fatter, I recommend Why We Get Fat by Gary Taubes. Real eye opener.
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Post by Drillbit Taylor on Jan 16, 2013 1:24:09 GMT -5
I've only heard all soda called Coke in places like Georgia which makes sense as that's where Coca-Cola started. I grew up calling it all Coke in Texas. What kind of coke do you have? Dr Pepper, Coke, Diet Coke etc....
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Post by kidglov3s on Jan 16, 2013 7:27:06 GMT -5
That and the "health risks" pointed at aspartame are incoherent (there is no common agreement on what is bad, but plenty of symptoms evidently), unsubstantiated, and clinically debunked. You'd have to drink extremely exorbitant amounts of the stuff over a long period of time to experience ill effects; we're talking far beyond a Big Gulp of Diet Coke every day. It's bunk and it doesn't make regular pop any healthier. Thank you. Aspartame is such a scapegoat.
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Post by hitchslap on Jan 16, 2013 7:56:05 GMT -5
I dunno, I feel like this "health craze" is starting to get a bit paranoia-like. It seems like every week there's something new out there that can/will kill you if you drink/eat it. Not defending soda or the fact that it isn't the best thing to drink (although better than diet, ironically), but I kind of think that scaring people into eating better isn't the right way to go about this. sadly, it seems as though there genuinely are people out there who need to be scared into eating better. i don't really think it is "paranoia-like". when 1/3 of the country is obese and 2/3 are overweight, you have a problem. a problem that ultimately affects health care, the economy, etc.
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