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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2013 16:12:36 GMT -5
You can all say "we told you so" if Ziggler fails to cash in. For now, he's a champion in waiting whose best skill is selling. It will be harder for him to sell when he becomes a chicken**** heel champion. Seems like that would make his selling more important than ever, get your ass kicked and win on some sort of shenanigans, take countouts/DQs. Selling is great for a Chickenshit heel.
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Post by klapaucius on Jan 15, 2013 16:13:36 GMT -5
His finisher looks so weak compared to the AA.
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Post by elitistheel on Jan 15, 2013 16:14:06 GMT -5
You can all say "we told you so" if Ziggler fails to cash in. For now, he's a champion in waiting whose best skill is selling. It will be harder for him to sell when he becomes a chicken**** heel champion. Seems like that would make his selling more important than ever, get your ass kicked and win on some sort of shenanigans, take countouts/DQs. Selling is great for a Chickens*** heel. That's very true but he couldn't sell a finisher with a clean pinfall if the title were on the line. EDIT: He would also be more believable as a chicken**** heel if he loses matches cleanly over and over prior to becoming champion.
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Post by Mr. Socko's Brother on Jan 15, 2013 16:41:22 GMT -5
You can all say "we told you so" if Ziggler fails to cash in. For now, he's a champion in waiting whose best skill is selling. It will be harder for him to sell when he becomes a chicken**** heel champion. Oh, he'll cash in all right. But, as his old partner Jack Swagger demonstrated, you can cash in, have a mediocre run as the champ, lose the strap a couple months later, and before you know it everybody's either forgotten about you or remembers you only to say "Wow, what were they thinking putting the title on him?" Now, I'll turn into an optimist for a moment and acknowledge that WWE wasn't doing a great job of making Daniel Bryan look credible before his cash-in either. They managed to undo that damage with a win against Show and Henry inside a cage and then in a Chamber match. Will they be able to do the same thing with Ziggler? Maybe. But that doesn't change the fact that they're booking him in a piss-poor fashion right now, nor that John Cena should start putting younger guys over at this stage of his career instead of going over them.
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Post by BV on Jan 15, 2013 16:42:57 GMT -5
One clean win against Cena and Ziggler is MADE.
One clean loss to Ziggler and nothing changes with Cena.
Too hard to fathom, apparently.
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Post by Mr. Socko's Brother on Jan 15, 2013 16:47:00 GMT -5
One clean win against Cena and Ziggler is MADE. One clean loss to Ziggler and nothing changes with Cena. Too hard to fathom, apparently. I'll believe they're willing to give Ziggler a clean win over Cena when it happens. I'm skeptical, for reasons I'm sure you can understand.
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Post by Joey K is A OKAY! on Jan 15, 2013 17:02:07 GMT -5
Ill tell ya what... Ziggler losing last night was the first time i legit and verbally got mad at WWE and Cena in a long, long time... I used to HATE cena back when he had his first run, but eventually grew to tolerate and even like him more over the years (especially seeing how cena hate was making other fans hate the product entirely, which is something i didnt want to happen to me)... but last night had me cussin out loud... Such BS... There was NO need for Cena to win TWICE in a row... by no means should dolph have won clean but jeez, seeing cena just superman all over everyone again is giving me a bad feeling abt the future...
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Post by Pgarodactyl on Jan 15, 2013 17:14:40 GMT -5
Given all the implications of a steel cage match, the added interference to help Dolph and the fact that this match happened one week after their last match, you would assume Dolph had beaten Cena last week.
Instead, we get two weeks back to back where Cena pins Dolph clean despite the outside antics from AJ and Big E.
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Post by Mr. Socko's Brother on Jan 15, 2013 17:20:54 GMT -5
Exactly. He already got his win back. He didn't need another one over Dolph.
And considering the stories of what he's like backstage (from Ken Doane, Tyler Reks, and others) are ringing more and more true, it wouldn't surprise me at all if Cena was the one who wanted it that way, asked for it, and got it.
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Post by g1megatronfan on Jan 15, 2013 17:21:38 GMT -5
He's in a John Cena feud...what did you expect to happen? Ziggler is kinda getting the short end of the stick in some ways. He can beat Cena by AJ knocking him off a ladder...but cannot beat him with countless interference and a dozen finishers.
In a way they're saying AJ is stronger if you think about it. She must have turned into Super Woman to counter Cena's Super Man when she knocked him off.
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on Jan 15, 2013 17:58:47 GMT -5
He can beat Cena by AJ knocking him off a ladder...but cannot beat him with countless interference and a dozen finishers. This is what annoys me the most about it. Is there any need to have Cena kick out Ziggler's finisher 2 weeks in a row? Not just the zig zag but his new super kick as well. Let alone Big E's finisher last week too.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2013 18:37:00 GMT -5
Hell, Cena had Ziggler beat in about 5 minutes, but he chose to act afraid of Biggy Langston. Then had him beat again at least 2 times, before choosing to beat him finally. Withstood both of Ziggler's finishes, and a top rope DDT, and pinned Ziggler with his only finisher of the match.
It literally seems like they went into the match saying A. Let's have a long, exciting match full of near-falls and B. Let's make Dolph Ziggler look as weak as possible in the process.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Jan 15, 2013 19:42:56 GMT -5
The WWE thinks, correctly, that they can treat the MitB person like a jobber and it'll all be forgotten when they cash in.
This is very unlikely, but I have started to wonder if this is all leading to a Rumble win. He's been a huge part of the show, so he's on people's minds as a big deal, and so it'd be surprising, but not eye-rolling, for him to go from losing over and over to the being the guy with two title shots.
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Post by celticjobber on Jan 15, 2013 19:50:55 GMT -5
Cena is being built up for his big 'Mania rematch with the Rock. Coming off the "worst year of his career" and turning this into one of the best.
So I wouldn't expect Cena to lose much at all in the near-future. In fact, I would be shocked if Cena doesn't win the Royal Rumble.
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Post by Sparkybob on Jan 15, 2013 20:03:41 GMT -5
Cena is being built up for his big 'Mania rematch with the Rock. Coming off the "worst year of his career" and turning this into one of the best. So I wouldn't expect Cena to lose much at all in the near-future. In fact, I would be shocked if Cena doesn't win the Royal Rumble. Yup I remember reading last year that Cena did not want to lose any matches from like Survivor Series until Mania since he wanted to look at strong as possible. So this feud basically turn into get Cena momentum going forward and give ziggler the rub of being in big time matches with cena.
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Post by Clawley Race on Jan 16, 2013 1:37:42 GMT -5
It just doesn't make sense. Heal cheats and gets cheap win over face...face gets match at PPV (which should have been the cage match) and the fans pay money to see him get the clean win? Isn't that how this is supposed to work? Not to mention what is the point of the cage if Cena had already shown that any amount of interference isn't enough to let a midcarder like Ziggler get a cheap victory over him on Raw?
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Post by Straight Edge Scrotum on Jan 17, 2013 1:01:12 GMT -5
His finisher is so weak compared to the AA. Fixed.
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