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Post by Cry Me a Wiggle on Jan 27, 2013 2:06:10 GMT -5
I think this book is the source of many internet "facts" about the death of wcw. Yeah, and that's why I really dislike it. Look, I know WCW was a flaming wreck near the end, but the story is entertaining enough without stretching the truth, omitting facts, and twisting the historic record to fit a narrative. The other culprit in the misinformation about the end of WCW is The Monday Night Wars DVD, among other WWE releases. Really people, the "butt in seats" comment really wasn't the game-changing comment WWE likes to make it out to be.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jan 28, 2013 1:30:25 GMT -5
Okay, I was a fan of WCW when it was still around and while the book is hilariously inaccurate at many points, I still enjoy the hell out of reading it at numerous points.
And the anti-WCW bias is nowhere near as bad as people are implying. 1. It will seem more pronounced because the book's about WCW, not WWF, and so WWF is barely mentioned. 2. the closing chapter is almost entirely about how big an asshole Vince is for not doing the InVasion properly and just bringing in WCW's top stars later on, past their prime, with diminishing returns.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Jan 28, 2013 1:48:12 GMT -5
I think their logic is basically that making your stars look like brain dead idiots is a bad idea. 3 Count was a low-card act whose whole gimmick was meant to get people laughing at them. Very different from portraying main eventers as dumb. And it seemed to be pointed out as an example of WCW stupidity rather than something said on purpose for comedy. Yeah, it's no different from 3MB trying to release their debut single through Tout.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jan 28, 2013 9:40:00 GMT -5
I enjoyed the book when I first got it, but then through various shoot interviews and books, it became very evident that RD and Bryan didn't do their homework well enough.
1.They spend a lot of time bashing Nash as booker, and making himself the champ but he didn't take over until right before the Fingerpoke of Doom.
2.They mention how the fans didn't want to see Nash beat Goldberg. Nash was pretty damn over in 98 after he formed the Wolfpac. The pop for Nash winning the title was fairly big.
3.Speaking of Nash's victory, they acted as if Goldberg was made to look like a joke in the match, and that there was interference for the sake of interference, but everybody who got involved (Bam Bam, Hall, and Disco) made sense in the storyline (Bam Bam had been trying to jump Goldberg for months, Disco was doing whatever he could to impress the Wolfpac, Hall was trying to make peace with Nash)
4.While Bret Hart wasn't used well when he got to WCW, he wasn't exactly treated as an afterthought. His feud with DDP during the 2nd half with 98 was over. They also don't mention how Bret was not really focused due to a lot of bitterness he still had for Montreal, and he had been working most of the year with a bad groin tear.
5.Buff Bagwell has easily become a huge joke for the IWC, but he was insanely over once he turned face in 99. Same with Konnan (who they treated like a scrub).
6.They paint the Radicalz as victims of Kevin Sullivan hating them, but in all actuality, Sullivan wanted to push them more when he took the book and he wanted to make peace with Benoit.
7.They treat DDP like he shouldn't have been in the main event.
8.Don't even mention how in 98/99 Bischoff and the other bookers had to get everything approved by Standards and Practices, who would take out a lot of what they wanted to do.
9.To go along with 8, creative control became an issue but most of the show was destroyed by S&P
10.When Nash was commissioner of WCW in late 99/early 2000 they don't even mention how a lot of the heavily favored nWo matches came from Jeff Jarrett using his position as Russo's Chosen One to help himself not the nWo (story wise Nash hated a lot of the decisions)
11.They mentioned how AOL/Time Warner was scared to sell to Bischoff and his investors because the investors freaked out at bad ratings when in reality, the higher ups at AOL/Time Warner kept changing the terms on Bischoff to the point his backers decided they weren't gonna bother (lack of a tv deal didn't help, but that was more of a breaking point).
There are other things in the book that ended up being inaccurate (people not reacting to Ron Simmons beating Vader) but it's still an interesting read. It just turns out that the authors were trying to please the IWC at the time more than anything.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Jan 28, 2013 15:09:03 GMT -5
With time, the book looks petty and weak. I enjoyed it when it came out, but also it was so recent to a company that was great ending up bankrupt, that I think we were all willing to believe the easy answers. I don't know what they can add based on how they tackled the first book/
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