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Post by dlg3000 on Jan 16, 2013 7:42:16 GMT -5
Many in the IWC keep discussing whether or not a wrestler was "buried". What are some times when a wrestler was truly buried via online or via another wrestler "burying" them on tv or ppv? (No comments on the Undertaker please.) You have to excuse me, but this is something that I wondered about. There have been discussions about being buried because they lost a series of matches, but does that mean they were "buried"? (Sorry for the bad title.)
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Post by notasmark on Jan 16, 2013 8:23:06 GMT -5
Losing matches doesn't mean you got buried. The term being buried is when a promoter deliberately tries to kill your popularity or career because he doesn't like you.
Basically we'll never know, People can speculate that guys like Repo Man, Goobeldy Gooker and others like Shockmaster were deliberately buried and embarassed but the guys in the office at the time might of thought those characters would get over and make money.
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Post by dlg3000 on Jan 16, 2013 11:04:05 GMT -5
I'm glad you said that about being buried and losing matches. I agree that just because someone loses a lot of matches that means they are being buried. There are some examples.
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Post by TGM on Jan 16, 2013 11:06:34 GMT -5
In iwc language, being buried is any time A) their favourite wrestler loses a match, even if it makes sense. B) any wrestler loses to Triple H.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2013 11:19:03 GMT -5
In iwc language, being buried is any time A) their favourite wrestler loses a match, even if it makes sense. B) any wrestler loses to Triple H.Here's the master in action.
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Jan 16, 2013 13:48:26 GMT -5
London and Kendrick, lol. Getting taken out by a face while being a face and the crowd being more than ok with it, is a bit of a sign.
But in all seriousness, look at what happened to the pro wrestlers (as in not the MMA fighters) in NJPW during the early 2000s to see what burying truly is. Thanks Inoki.
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Post by Super Nintenjoe KBD on Jan 16, 2013 15:45:37 GMT -5
But in all seriousness, look at what happened to the pro wrestlers (as in not the MMA fighters) in NJPW during the early 2000s to see what burying truly is. Thanks Inoki. Do go on.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jan 16, 2013 16:11:45 GMT -5
London and Kendrick, lol. Getting taken out by a face while being a face and the crowd being more than ok with it, is a bit of a sign. Didnt Austin basically do this to everyone?
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Post by Super Nintenjoe KBD on Jan 16, 2013 16:20:54 GMT -5
Austin was far, far cooler and more likeable than HHH imo. When Austin did it he was being an original bad ass. When Hunter did it it came off to me like him wanting to be a cool bad ass like Austin but really he's the corporate jerk.
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Post by donbot on Jan 16, 2013 16:22:42 GMT -5
Vader was buried badly in 1997 onward. The straw that broke the camels back was when he called himself a big fat piece of crap on air.
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Jan 16, 2013 16:27:27 GMT -5
But in all seriousness, look at what happened to the pro wrestlers (as in not the MMA fighters) in NJPW during the early 2000s to see what burying truly is. Thanks Inoki. Do go on. Inoki sent in numerous outsiders and MMA fighters like Chyna, Bob Sapp, Brock Lesnar, Cro Cop, Fedor, and others and had them whoop the NJPW regulars at the time. They would get championship reigns, demolished people at record times, and pretty much controlled the show. Problem was, the people getting jobbed to these guests were the people that were supposedly the present and future of New Japan. Nakanishi, Yuji Nagata, Tenzan, Kanemoto, and later Nakamura, Tanahashi, Makabe, and others. The reason why these guys are still around and are gaining popularity now is because they stayed around and took all of Inoki's crazy booking. Another problem is that the guys who left, guys like Mutoh, Kojima, and others, gained popularity because of this crap. Hell, it's the reason why Mutoh saved AJPW, and why NOAH and DG rose in popularity like they did. Which leads to the third problem. NJPW was staring bankruptcy in the face because of this booking. Thankfully, Inoki got booted from booking, and then came the rise of the Four Heroes. And the revival of New Japan.
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Post by Clawley Race on Jan 16, 2013 16:40:49 GMT -5
Spirit Squad
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Post by mjolnir on Jan 16, 2013 16:50:03 GMT -5
London and Kendrick, lol. Getting taken out by a face while being a face and the crowd being more than ok with it, is a bit of a sign. Didnt Austin basically do this to everyone? To be fair, it wore thin with Austin too. Especially when he came back as a GM and never had to pay for stunning babyfaces, women, and heels left and right. Least in his prime, there was a chance the wrestler in question would get a match with Austin out of it.
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Post by molson5 on Jan 16, 2013 18:35:27 GMT -5
It's almost impossible to know just from watching a match because part of a "burial" is the motives of the bookers, which you don't usually know.
Something like Vader is tricky - he was no doubt jobbed out at the end, but it made sense to do so, he was past his prime, he was leaving, and he's never been relevant in North American again. They did "bury" him I guess, in the sense that they damaged his character, but to me, "burial" implies a more mean-spirited motive that goes beyond booking strategy. Having Vader lose to younger guys on his way out made perfect sense - if that's a burial, than burials aren't all bad.
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Post by Cry Me a Wiggle on Jan 16, 2013 19:09:28 GMT -5
Benoit in 2007.
Oh, wait. He was cremated.
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Post by donbot on Jan 16, 2013 20:39:50 GMT -5
It's almost impossible to know just from watching a match because part of a "burial" is the motives of the bookers, which you don't usually know. Something like Vader is tricky - he was no doubt jobbed out at the end, but it made sense to do so, he was past his prime, he was leaving, and he's never been relevant in North American again. They did "bury" him I guess, in the sense that they damaged his character, but to me, "burial" implies a more mean-spirited motive that goes beyond booking strategy. Having Vader lose to younger guys on his way out made perfect sense - if that's a burial, than burials aren't all bad. I think traditionally, to be buried, you have to be pushed beforehand. In 1996, Vader made a pretty big impact. He was debuted as a destructive monster in the Royal Rumble, took out WWF President Gorilla Monsoon and Yokozuna, had a pinfall victory over Shawn Michaels, and then at Summerslam, his push went downhill. I think what stemmed from it was that incident in Kuwait and also not bathing(he said it was a Japanese tradition to not wash your attire for good luck). Yokozuna can also follow that example. In the end, when Vader took him out, he needed to be carried, not on a stretcher, but A FORKLIFT and lost to a up-and-coming "Stone Cold" Steve Austin on the Summerslam pre-show in about a minute when he broke the ropes. T hink about it. The same man who headlined a Wrestlemania and won the WWF championship on that show, and effectively ended Hulk-a-Mania became a curtain jerker. If thats not a burial, I don't know what is.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Jan 16, 2013 20:45:47 GMT -5
Terry Taylor for the Red Roster gimmick. Chavo lossing to Hornswaggle a 100 times. Not even sure why Chavo was treated so bad but he sure was. He was booked like he screwed Linda or something once he lost the ECW title to Kane in 8 seconds.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2013 21:16:37 GMT -5
Benoit in 2007. Oh, wait. He was cremated. I'm totally going to hell for laughing at that.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jan 16, 2013 21:27:35 GMT -5
Owen Hart.
...What? It's true.
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Post by tms on Jan 16, 2013 22:52:30 GMT -5
Would cases like Molly Holly and Mickie James count? Both were "pushed", but then had their physiques derided (much more in Molly's case, since the King and even JR of all people agreed with Trish that she had a fat ass).
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