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Post by Spider2024 on Jan 17, 2013 12:27:46 GMT -5
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Post by Cyno on Jan 17, 2013 12:28:21 GMT -5
Honestly it was justified with Jon Mayer because that guy is a colossal douchebag. But after awhile, you have to wonder. John Mayer is far, far more talented and Taylor is even douchier than he could ever be, though. I don't know how you can say Swift is douchier than Mayer. That Playboy interview he did was far worse than anything Swift has ever said or done. |
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Post by BK From WV on Jan 17, 2013 12:32:38 GMT -5
I'm with you. As I said in the other thread about her on here,I'm not even a fan of her music. Still,I think she gets a lot of irrational hate. So she writes breakup songs? A lot of artists do that. Adele has won a lot of Grammys off those type of songs and no one seems to bash her. Plus,she does write more than breakup songs. It just seems her most popular ones deal with breakups so I can't fault her for doing so. I can understand people not liking her music. That's fine. As I said,I'm not a fan either. But some of the hate she gets makes me just shake my head at times. The difference between Adele and Taylor Swift is Adele is amazingly talented. Has a once a generation voice. T-Swift is an above average singer at best. Plus, Adele's break-up songs have a bit of subtlety to them. They aren't just OMG, we are like totally not getting back together. Adele writes songs about being truly heart broken, Swift writes songs for love-sick teenagers. But why does that matter? Her songs may appeal to a different group of people but why do people still feel the need to bash her constantly? The music may not appeal to someone. That's fine. But I just don't understand the hate that people want to throw her way. They come across more immature than they are saying she is. Is Taylor Swift a good person? I don't know. I have not met her and I'm guessing no one here has either. Everyone seems to justify their hate for her because she dates a lot and writes some breakup songs. She's still in her early 20's. If she was in her 30's or 40's,I could maybe see people having an issue with it. Even then,it's her life. As long as she isn't committing any crimes,let her live her life. Again,I'm not saying people have to like her music. I don't like Adele's music either since you brought her up. I'm not going to bash someone though just because I don't care for their music. I'll just say it's not for me and move on. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2013 12:36:28 GMT -5
John Mayer is far, far more talented and Taylor is even douchier than he could ever be, though. I don't know how you can say Swift is douchier than Mayer. That Playboy interview he did was far worse than anything Swift has ever said or done. He retracted a lot of what he said though and was legit sorry for it. |
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Post by Munkie91087 on Jan 17, 2013 12:38:32 GMT -5
The difference between Adele and Taylor Swift is Adele is amazingly talented. Has a once a generation voice. T-Swift is an above average singer at best. Plus, Adele's break-up songs have a bit of subtlety to them. They aren't just OMG, we are like totally not getting back together. Adele writes songs about being truly heart broken, Swift writes songs for love-sick teenagers. But why does that matter? Her songs may appeal to a different group of people but why do people still feel the need to bash her constantly? The music may not appeal to someone. That's fine. But I just don't understand the hate that people want to throw her way. They come across more immature than they are saying she is. Is Taylor Swift a good person? I don't know. I have not met her and I'm guessing no one here has either. Everyone seems to justify their hate for her because she dates a lot and writes some breakup songs. She's still in her early 20's. If she was in her 30's or 40's,I could maybe see people having an issue with it. Even then,it's her life. As long as she isn't committing any crimes,let her live her life. Again,I'm not saying people have to like her music. I don't like Adele's music either since you brought her up. I'm not going to bash someone though just because I don't care for their music. I'll just say it's not for me and move on. I think because she has very little variety to her music. She garnered massive sympathy after the Kanye thing happened, but for the most part her music is always the same thing. That grates on people's nerves. She was "America's sweetheart" for awhile, but when all your material is about how boys suck and you don't have much substance other than that, it can be very annoying. It's the same reason people dislike Nickelback. All their stuff is basically the same formula over and over again. I have no issue with Taylor Swift dating a ton, she's doing exactly what a 20something girl is supposed to do, but it is annoying that every relationship seems to just be fodder for her next break up song. It's like at some point you get tired of hearing about how much of a jerk the ex is. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2013 12:41:24 GMT -5
Her catalog presents her as without flaws.
A lot of her songs are about things other people have done wrong. Her breakup songs are always about how wrong the guy was or if she does write songs about a bad experience, it's usually about someone else(Fifteen as an example). She often attacks a certain type of woman in her songs but upon deeper inspection of the lyrics, those women haven't really done anything wrong aside from existing(You Belong With Me).
Honestly, the most sincere breakup song she has is the one everyone is bashing(We Are Never Getting Back Together). Yeah it's silly, but it also approaches a breakup in a somehow more relatable way than any of her other songs. There's an actual reason why the guy she's singing about is an asshole instead of some overdramatic "I'll never love again after you ripped my heart out" sentiment that her other songs share. It's a bad song, but it's different from her usual stuff.
The biggest issue I have with Taylor Swift is the media instantly portraying any man that breaks up with her as scum and she's completely fine with letting that image prevail. It's already starting with the One Direction guy. I honestly don't believe she believes she ever contributes to why her relationships don't work out.
A little self-reflection in her lyrics would help her public image immensely.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jan 17, 2013 12:42:19 GMT -5
Has she ever mentioned these dudes by name in her songs? I'm not a fan, so I don't she might have.
But if she hasn't, ain't it possible that she's writing general break-up music with a detail here or there that COULD be projected as an individual guy, but might not necessarily be, and is mainly designed to get more $ from her audience?
If she's flat out said " This song is about X, this is about Y, this is about Z" then that'd be douchey, otherwise, not getting the issue.
And again, teenage girls generally aren't gonna be introspective about break-ups; and are gonna relate MUCH more to " that guy done me wrong" songs.
Seems like smart marketing to me.
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Post by BK From WV on Jan 17, 2013 12:46:27 GMT -5
But why does that matter? Her songs may appeal to a different group of people but why do people still feel the need to bash her constantly? The music may not appeal to someone. That's fine. But I just don't understand the hate that people want to throw her way. They come across more immature than they are saying she is. Is Taylor Swift a good person? I don't know. I have not met her and I'm guessing no one here has either. Everyone seems to justify their hate for her because she dates a lot and writes some breakup songs. She's still in her early 20's. If she was in her 30's or 40's,I could maybe see people having an issue with it. Even then,it's her life. As long as she isn't committing any crimes,let her live her life. Again,I'm not saying people have to like her music. I don't like Adele's music either since you brought her up. I'm not going to bash someone though just because I don't care for their music. I'll just say it's not for me and move on. I think because she has very little variety to her music. She garnered massive sympathy after the Kanye thing happened, but for the most part her music is always the same thing. That grates on people's nerves. She was "America's sweetheart" for awhile, but when all your material is about how boys suck and you don't have much substance other than that, it can be very annoying. It's the same reason people dislike Nickelback. All their stuff is basically the same formula over and over again. I have no issue with Taylor Swift dating a ton, she's doing exactly what a 20something girl is supposed to do, but it is annoying that every relationship seems to just be fodder for her next break up song. It's like at some point you get tired of hearing about how much of a jerk the ex is. Oh,I agree with you on variety. That's why I'm not a huge fan of her music. As I said earlier,all her songs aren't all breakup songs but a good majority are and I can understand why people would not like that. I just don't understand the hate she gets at times. I'm not directing this at you either by the way. Please don't take it that way. You have actually explained your reasons and as I said,I can relate. It's just the things some people say that bother me. |
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Post by Cyno on Jan 17, 2013 12:56:09 GMT -5
The way Taylor Swift presents herself and portrays the men in her songs, she comes off like the female equivalent of the "Nice Guy." That's my biggest issue with her.
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Post by Jeremy on Jan 17, 2013 13:03:14 GMT -5
Her catalog presents her as without flaws. A lot of her songs are about things other people have done wrong. Her breakup songs are always about how wrong the guy was or if she does write songs about a bad experience, it's usually about someone else(Fifteen as an example). She often attacks a certain type of woman in her songs but upon deeper inspection of the lyrics, those women haven't really done anything wrong aside from existing(You Belong With Me). Honestly, the most sincere breakup song she has is the one everyone is bashing(We Are Never Getting Back Together). Yeah it's silly, but it also approaches a breakup in a somehow more relatable way than any of her other songs. There's an actual reason why the guy she's singing about is an asshole instead of some overdramatic "I'll never love again after you ripped my heart out" sentiment that her other songs share. It's a bad song, but it's different from her usual stuff. The biggest issue I have with Taylor Swift is the media instantly portraying any man that breaks up with her as scum and she's completely fine with letting that image prevail. It's already starting with the One Direction guy. I honestly don't believe she believes she ever contributes to why her relationships don't work out. A little self-reflection in her lyrics would help her public image immensely. I could be wrong, but I believe the One Direction guy came out and said he split with her because she wouldn't put out. |
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Post by King Ghidorah on Jan 17, 2013 13:05:09 GMT -5
It makes no sense, male singers don't catch any flake for singing about the same subject matter. ZZ Hill made a career out of it, but its something about a women complaining about break ups that set people off.
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Post by Orange on Jan 17, 2013 13:09:28 GMT -5
It makes no sense, male singers don't catch any flake for singing about the same subject matter. ZZ Hill made a career out of it, but its something about a women complaining about break ups that set people off. I look at it as similar to when people say all of Nickelback or AC/DC's songs sound the same. Sure, they may be nice and whatnot, but after a while you get tired of hearing the same old thing. People are getting tired of Taylor painting herself as a perfect woman that every man in the world would be lucky to have - which is damn near all of her songs. All artists do breakup songs, but most artists also have songs with some degree of self-reflection where they realize their flaws. I haven't heard that once from Swift - it's always "you're a f***ing asshole and you're f***ing stupid to not realize how perfect and awesome I am!" That's fine a few times - but people get tired of hearing the same thing over and over. |
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Post by King Ghidorah on Jan 17, 2013 13:21:06 GMT -5
I don't think Taylor sings about reflection, It's more like someone who's writing in a journal or some s***, you know, angry teenage girl crap.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2013 13:28:58 GMT -5
Her catalog presents her as without flaws. A lot of her songs are about things other people have done wrong. Her breakup songs are always about how wrong the guy was or if she does write songs about a bad experience, it's usually about someone else(Fifteen as an example). She often attacks a certain type of woman in her songs but upon deeper inspection of the lyrics, those women haven't really done anything wrong aside from existing(You Belong With Me). Honestly, the most sincere breakup song she has is the one everyone is bashing(We Are Never Getting Back Together). Yeah it's silly, but it also approaches a breakup in a somehow more relatable way than any of her other songs. There's an actual reason why the guy she's singing about is an asshole instead of some overdramatic "I'll never love again after you ripped my heart out" sentiment that her other songs share. It's a bad song, but it's different from her usual stuff. The biggest issue I have with Taylor Swift is the media instantly portraying any man that breaks up with her as scum and she's completely fine with letting that image prevail. It's already starting with the One Direction guy. I honestly don't believe she believes she ever contributes to why her relationships don't work out. A little self-reflection in her lyrics would help her public image immensely. I could be wrong, but I believe the One Direction guy came out and said he split with her because she wouldn't put out. Alright, so that guy is an asshole. But the point about song repetition is still valid. And it's not just a Taylor Swift thing. There are worst artists that do it to, Rihanna, Pitbull, the already mentioned Nickelback... I think it only seems like there's an increase in negativity but that's only because she's the singer with the biggest spotlight at the moment. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2013 14:03:52 GMT -5
It makes no sense, male singers don't catch any flake for singing about the same subject matter. Clearly you are unfamiliar with criticisms of rap music. Or boy bands. Or country singers. Or Nickelback. |
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Post by Dat Dude on Jan 17, 2013 14:10:00 GMT -5
You know what, Bradley Cooper? You're alright guy. For this display of grounded, rational thinking, you'll forever get a lifetime pass by me to make any terrible movie without me judging.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2013 14:17:13 GMT -5
You know what, Bradley Cooper? You're alright guy. For this display of grounded, rational thinking, you'll forever get a lifetime pass by me to make any terrible movie without me judging. Heh. I think the original article mentioned that people were suddenly linking him to Jennifer Lawrence. His response, certainly not negative and definitely well received by all, to that was classic - "she's great, love her to death, but I'm old enough to be her father...so no." |
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Post by King Ghidorah on Jan 17, 2013 14:20:17 GMT -5
It makes no sense, male singers don't catch any flake for singing about the same subject matter. Clearly you are unfamiliar with criticisms of rap music. Or boy bands. Or country singers. Or Nickelback. That is some broad generalizations. |
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Jan 17, 2013 14:27:34 GMT -5
You know what, Bradley Cooper? You're alright guy. For this display of grounded, rational thinking, you'll forever get a lifetime pass by me to make any terrible movie without me judging. Heh. I think the original article mentioned that people were suddenly linking him to Jennifer Lawrence. His response, certainly not negative and definitely well received by all, to that was classic - "she's great, love her to death, but I'm old enough to be her father...so no." Yeah, kudos on him for not preying on the female celebrities in their early 20s. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2013 14:32:55 GMT -5
Clearly you are unfamiliar with criticisms of rap music. Or boy bands. Or country singers. Or Nickelback. That is some broad generalizations. Indeed they are. The point is that plenty of males in the music industry get flak for repetitive lyrics... |
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