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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 19, 2013 14:08:30 GMT -5
I dont even watch Glee any more, but my over all reaction to this was 'and?' Really, who cares? It's people finding reasons to hate on the the show rather than just saying 'I dont like this show' and moving on. Pretty sure lawyers care. Also, when you start a show whose premise is the creation of songs and musicals, ripping off other artists without even giving them credit pretty much nullifies any reason for that show to exist. Especially if you do it very sloppily. Jonathan did not create Baby Got Back, and no one is disputing that he is. He did, however, create the musical arrangement he used for his version, and deserves to be credited and/or compensated. Whether you care for his version or not has no bearing on that.
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Post by mjolnir on Jan 19, 2013 14:24:22 GMT -5
What's even crazier is the one line he did alter, they kept in the Glee version. Where it says Johnny C's in trouble.
...Like, really? You're that unaware of the original lyrics that you keep pieces of damning evidence in your rip-off of the cover?
GG, Glee.
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Post by Oak: Certified Jade Hater on Jan 19, 2013 14:28:30 GMT -5
Give me "Mandelbrot Set" just once Glee. I'll love you forever if you do.
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Post by Legion on Jan 19, 2013 14:46:09 GMT -5
Pretty sure lawyers care. Also, when you start a show whose premise is the creation of songs and musicals, ripping off other artists without even giving them credit pretty much nullifies any reason for that show to exist. Especially if you do it very sloppily. Jonathan did not create Baby Got Back, and no one is disputing that he is. He did, however, create the musical arrangement he used for his version, and deserves to be credited and/or compensated. Whether you care for his version or not has no bearing on that. Does he actually have rights on it? Do cover artists ever hold their own rights, or would the rights belong to his label who will have paid out for him to do the cover in the first place (and may have a deal with Glee), or the original artist who may also have a deal in place. Do we actually have details, or again, is this people noticing something and having a go, despite not knowing anything about behind the scenes deals etc.
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Post by mjolnir on Jan 19, 2013 15:21:44 GMT -5
Especially if you do it very sloppily. Jonathan did not create Baby Got Back, and no one is disputing that he is. He did, however, create the musical arrangement he used for his version, and deserves to be credited and/or compensated. Whether you care for his version or not has no bearing on that. Does he actually have rights on it? Do cover artists ever hold their own rights, or would the rights belong to his label who will have paid out for him to do the cover in the first place (and may have a deal with Glee), or the original artist who may also have a deal in place. Do we actually have details, or again, is this people noticing something and having a go, despite not knowing anything about behind the scenes deals etc. It's been discussed that while he is on shaky grounds in terms of the actual song, the lyrics, due to it being a cover, he does have some ground. He got the license one typically needs if they are going through the proper channels to release a cover. Meaning he *technically* owns his cover of the song, just not the original song itself. Also the original song did not have a melody, he made the melody featured in both his cover and Glee's version of his cover. This means he has grounds of ownership and copyright, and it means if this goes to court and he addresses this like he's implied he will...FOX is f***ed.
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Post by FinalGwen on Jan 19, 2013 20:49:54 GMT -5
I think the world will view this with a resounding "Who cares?" The controversy going on now is likely the best thing that's ever happened to JC's music, and I say that as a big fan Looking back over the thread, you should really have followed that up with "That was a joke. Ha ha. Fat chance."
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Post by mrtuesday on Jan 19, 2013 20:53:37 GMT -5
You guys seem to forget that Coulton wrote two songs that DID get him his popularity.
THAT is the best thing that happened to Coulton's music.
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Post by slappy on Jan 19, 2013 20:56:48 GMT -5
So why are high school kids singing this song anyways?
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Post by Dub H on Jan 19, 2013 21:18:04 GMT -5
I hate Glee,i really do but...
isn't it possible that Glee actually cut a deal to use the song?
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Post by FinalGwen on Jan 19, 2013 21:27:50 GMT -5
I hate Glee,i really do but... isn't it possible that Glee actually cut a deal to use the song? From his Twitter: "Never even contacted me. Classy." So... No.
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Post by Dub H on Jan 19, 2013 22:01:05 GMT -5
I hate Glee,i really do but... isn't it possible that Glee actually cut a deal to use the song? From his Twitter: "Never even contacted me. Classy." So... No. then f*** Glee
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Post by Legion on Jan 19, 2013 22:02:35 GMT -5
Never contacted him, but his label? Or the original songs label, who I assume would also control covers of their original song?
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Post by mjolnir on Jan 19, 2013 23:54:32 GMT -5
Never contacted him, but his label? Or the original songs label, who I assume would also control covers of their original song? Again, cover songs don't work that way. If you are an artist that wants to make a cover of another's song and release it legally, you get a license for recording & profiting from it. That basically states you own your cover of the song. Furthermore, any additional changes to the song, like, say a new melody, immediately falls under your ownership, the cover artist's. And, he's gone on record since this thing has blown up as letting it be known that he's been in no way contacted by them. His people, or him directly. Even if they talked to Mix-Alot and got the license to cover his song, they couldn't use the elements from JC's they clearly have. It's illegal.
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Post by darbus alan on Jan 20, 2013 0:23:18 GMT -5
Jonathan Coulton also doesn't have a label. He's independent.
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Post by Danimal on Jan 20, 2013 2:28:25 GMT -5
I'm past the point where I believe that anyone working on Glee has any morals whatsoever. Their hatred of any non-LG part of the LGBT spectrum is enough to prove that. Really? Hardly see hatred there by any stretch. They've had bi and transgendered represented. They aren't going to have a balance that makes everyone in said spectrum happy and remain a mainstream hit.
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Post by darbus alan on Jan 20, 2013 2:38:21 GMT -5
Maybe this changed with the new season, but the only bisexual character I remember from Glee was portrayed as not "really" being bisexual. It came off as very condescending and reflective of a really discriminatory attitude a lot of LG's have towards the BT's in the LGBT movement.
I saw this kind of biphobia all the time in college within the LGBT group on campus that I worked with as a straight ally. It was really sad.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Jan 20, 2013 2:42:55 GMT -5
I'm past the point where I believe that anyone working on Glee has any morals whatsoever. Their hatred of any non-LG part of the LGBT spectrum is enough to prove that. Really? Hardly see hatred there by any stretch. They've had bi and transgendered represented. They aren't going to have a balance that makes everyone in said spectrum happy and remain a mainstream hit. Really? They had the author avatar of Ryan Chucklenuts say bisexuals just don't want to admit that they're gay. Because Ryan is a gigantic dickbag.
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Post by Danimal on Jan 20, 2013 2:53:31 GMT -5
Really? Hardly see hatred there by any stretch. They've had bi and transgendered represented. They aren't going to have a balance that makes everyone in said spectrum happy and remain a mainstream hit. Really? They had the author avatar of Ryan Chucklenuts say bisexuals just don't want to admit that they're gay. Because Ryan is a gigantic dickbag. You have a point but throwing-around a term like hate is overkill. The Westboro church and KKK hate. The Glee creators are overly opinionated and preachy but hateful? I wouldn't go that far.
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Jan 20, 2013 3:20:27 GMT -5
You guys seem to forget that Coulton wrote two songs that DID get him his popularity. THAT is the best thing that happened to Coulton's music. And don't forget this gem: What makes this particularly ridiculous is that Coulton would probably have allowed them to use the song had they just ASKED. He's notoriously not very uptight about the use of his songs (he even has a few available for download for free on his website), but the problem is that they didn't bother to seek permission and from what I understand didn't even credit him, meaning they are implying they created this cover.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Jan 20, 2013 3:43:51 GMT -5
Honestly, I'm surprised anyone in that show still hasn't been jailed for their unprovoked assault on Rocky Horror. I'd say that it was a brutal murder.
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