Jazzman
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Post by Jazzman on Jan 20, 2013 22:20:07 GMT -5
Are you going to say he isn't? Yes. I am. If Joe Flacco is elite, than so are Jay Cutler and Matt Ryan. Ok, state your case. I'm listening.
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Post by andrew8798 on Jan 20, 2013 22:21:04 GMT -5
Joe Flacco 8 TDs and 0 Ints in this year's playoffs
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Post by WorkingInAColeMine on Jan 20, 2013 22:21:39 GMT -5
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Post by StuntGranny® on Jan 20, 2013 22:21:59 GMT -5
Yes. I am. If Joe Flacco is elite, than so are Jay Cutler and Matt Ryan. What big clutch playoff wins do Cutler and Ryan have? Well, to be fair, Matt Ryan has helped a few teams win playoff games/reach the Super Bowl with his terrible playing.
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Post by Orange on Jan 20, 2013 22:22:33 GMT -5
Rich, has a hot wife, is handsome as f***, and he's talented. Yeah, what a jerk I'd imagine it's more for the second reason I listed than anything else. And maybe the third - dude looks like a lot of guys wish they could...me included.
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Post by Sektor on Jan 20, 2013 22:22:34 GMT -5
Yes. I am. If Joe Flacco is elite, than so are Jay Cutler and Matt Ryan. What big clutch playoff wins do Cutler and Ryan have? There is a lot of things wrong with this line of thinking. But since I've argued endlessly about them, I'm just going to say this: Flacco has had a much better supporting cast than Cutler, and a much better defense than Matt Ryan. Also, quarterbacks account for 1/24th of the starting roster.
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Post by mizerable on Jan 20, 2013 22:22:55 GMT -5
I'm going to blame the Broncos as a whole. If we had just won, nobody would be talking about Ray Lewis right now! And sadly, as much as I like the Broncos, they probably would have let the Patriots lay the smackdown on them tonight. So...the enemy of your enemy theory works here for me.
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Post by andrew8798 on Jan 20, 2013 22:23:21 GMT -5
@rayrice27 Bmore we made it
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Post by andrew8798 on Jan 20, 2013 22:23:51 GMT -5
@jonsol: 1st Super Bowl without a Manning, Brady or Roethlisberger since 2002 (Brad Johnson vs. Rich Gannon).
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Post by JTH on Jan 20, 2013 22:23:51 GMT -5
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Post by Toxik916 on Jan 20, 2013 22:24:10 GMT -5
This is a very tough matchup for the Niners, but I think we have what it takes to win it all!
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Post by WorkingInAColeMine on Jan 20, 2013 22:24:27 GMT -5
What big clutch playoff wins do Cutler and Ryan have? Well, to be fair, Matt Ryan has helped a few teams win playoff games/reach the Super Bowl with his terrible playing. Again, Rex Grossman has recently started a Super Bowl. Don't be blinded people.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2013 22:24:40 GMT -5
What big clutch playoff wins do Cutler and Ryan have? There is a lot of things wrong with this line of thinking. But since I've argued endlessly about them, I'm just going to say this: Flacco has had a much better supporting cast than Cutler, and a much better defense than Matt Ryan. Also, quarterbacks account for 1/24th of the starting roster. Cutler I can give you because his offensive line is one of the worst in the League. But his slothful attitude does him no favors. Matt Ryan has Jones and Gonzo on the same team and the rest of his receivers are above-average at worst. He also has one of the best offensive lines in the whole NFL. Until we were starting McKinney on the offensive line, Flacco barely had any time to pass the ball.
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Post by Orange on Jan 20, 2013 22:24:52 GMT -5
Yes. I am. If Joe Flacco is elite, than so are Jay Cutler and Matt Ryan. Ok, state your case. I'm listening. Flacco's good, but he's not elite. To me, the elites are Tom Brady Peyton Manning Aaron Rodgers and maybe Eli. I could be forgetting a few other guys at the moment. Joe Flacco, as I see it, is nothing special - the same way I view Cutler and Ryan. They may win for you, but they're absolutely middle of the pack guys - the kind of guys that get big wins thanks to their defenses like Rex Grossman and Trent Dilfer did. Just how I see it. Your opinion may vary, but that's mine. It also doesn't help that, like Cutler, he's an unlikeable asshat who both whine and cry when the focus isn't on them.
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Post by Mac on Jan 20, 2013 22:25:12 GMT -5
First two years I "watched" the Patriots they won a combined 3 games. I put watched in quotation marks because unless they were playing a good team the game got blacked out and we got the Giants game.
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Post by darbus alan on Jan 20, 2013 22:25:17 GMT -5
I think Joe Flacco is a lot better than his detractors think, but... no I wouldn't say he's the equal of the Big Four (Brady, Peyton, Brees, Rodgers), Eli, or Roethlisberger.
I'd say he's on the same tier as the Cutlers, Romos, and Ryans. Which still puts him in a really good place. It's not like he's Mark Sanchez or Blane Gabbert or anything.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2013 22:25:25 GMT -5
This is a very tough matchup for the Niners, but I think we have what it takes to win it all! Good luck to you guys. No matter who wins this game I'm happy for both teams at this stage.
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Post by Hugh Mungus on Jan 20, 2013 22:26:15 GMT -5
I love the Pats but seriously Belichick is an assbag. I just dont get why people hate Brady though. Rich, has a hot wife, is handsome as f***, and he's talented. The NFL's version of Ric Flair.
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Post by Jazzman on Jan 20, 2013 22:27:29 GMT -5
Ok, state your case. I'm listening. Flacco's good, but he's not elite. To me, the elites are Tom Brady Peyton Manning Aaron Rodgers and maybe Eli. I could be forgetting a few other guys at the moment. Joe Flacco, as I see it, is nothing special - the same way I view Cutler and Ryan. They may win for you, but they're absolutely middle of the pack guys - the kind of guys that get big wins thanks to their defenses like Rex Grossman and Trent Dilfer did. Just how I see it. Your opinion may vary, but that's mine. It also doesn't help that, like Cutler, he's an unlikeable asshat who both whine and cry when the focus isn't on them. Orange, if I may, just to see where your head is at, could you tell me where that triumverate would be in list of top QB's. I'm assuming those 4 are your top 4 and I'd assume Drew Brees is in the step below.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jan 20, 2013 22:27:34 GMT -5
I still think the Belichick factor can't be ignored. If you can take a team and almost make the playoffs with Matt "I'm the reason the Chief's have the number 1 pick in the draft" Cassell, then there's something to be said for the system Brady fell in to. Seems good, but thats a team that won 16 games the year before and did manage to lose 5 more games than they did the year before. If you could tell me any player at any position is worth 5 wins I'd say hes pretty special Before anyone says that Peyton apparently was worth 8 wins (the difference in the 2010 and 2011 Colts seasons), I would like to point out that the 2011 Colts put roughly a third of their starters on IR that year. They got bit huge by the injury bug that year.
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