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Post by Mac on Jan 20, 2013 22:28:05 GMT -5
Ok, state your case. I'm listening. Flacco's good, but he's not elite. To me, the elites are Tom Brady Peyton Manning Aaron Rodgers and maybe Eli. I could be forgetting a few other guys at the moment. Joe Flacco, as I see it, is nothing special - the same way I view Cutler and Ryan. They may win for you, but they're absolutely middle of the pack guys - the kind of guys that get big wins thanks to their defenses like Rex Grossman and Trent Dilfer did. Just how I see it. Your opinion may vary, but that's mine. It also doesn't help that, like Cutler, he's an unlikeable asshat who both whine and cry when the focus isn't on them. I'd put Flacco close to Eli. His numbers look an awful lot like Brady's did early in his career
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Jan 20, 2013 22:28:59 GMT -5
Rich, has a hot wife, is handsome as f***, and he's talented. And he's effeminate. It's the exact same stereotype that every European used to make fun of the Byzantines (the rich well-groomed Greeks with the nice city they couldn't get into) over a thousand years ago. Brady's effeminate? I guess I'm a screaming queen then.
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Post by mizerable on Jan 20, 2013 22:29:04 GMT -5
I actually wish the poll question was "who are you rooting for?" since most people (I would assume) are going to vote based on who they're going to root for as opposed to what their gut is telling them. Naturally, if the poll numbers stay consistent to what they are now, and then the Ravens lay the beatdown, you just know people are going to be clamoring about how most everyone was wrong.
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Post by RI Richmark on Jan 20, 2013 22:29:26 GMT -5
He's representing the organization when he says things like that, though. So, when Flacco whines and cries about Tebow and Suggs says stupid s*** like this, it all goes back to the organization. They're also right in what they say. Patriots are a pretty arrogant team. That's why they have no hunger in the playoffs. And yeah, Tebow gets a lot of undeserved attention in spite of doing surprisingly little. Though I agree, I think they should avoid those comments. All great teams are arrogant in thier own way. You have to be arrogant just to think you can win. And what makes you think the Pats have no hunger?
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Post by WorkingInAColeMine on Jan 20, 2013 22:29:28 GMT -5
Rich, has a hot wife, is handsome as f***, and he's talented. The NFL's version of Ric Flair. Not sure what you heard, but Ric Flair might the be exact opposite of rich.
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Post by Sektor on Jan 20, 2013 22:29:46 GMT -5
Okay, I think Flacco is above average and nothing else, but lets not go overboard. Rex Grossman and Trent Dilfer dream of being as good as Flacco.
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Post by Error on Jan 20, 2013 22:29:50 GMT -5
Wow, I think Michael Irvin just threw the QBs of today under the bus without even trying. Basically they don't have to be good because their WRs can do whatever the hell they want thanks to the rules.
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Post by andrew8798 on Jan 20, 2013 22:30:43 GMT -5
@danwetzel: Suggs has calmed down: "All BS aside they are a hell of a ball club ... They have the right to be arrogant."
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Post by Orange on Jan 20, 2013 22:30:51 GMT -5
Flacco's good, but he's not elite. To me, the elites are Tom Brady Peyton Manning Aaron Rodgers and maybe Eli. I could be forgetting a few other guys at the moment. Joe Flacco, as I see it, is nothing special - the same way I view Cutler and Ryan. They may win for you, but they're absolutely middle of the pack guys - the kind of guys that get big wins thanks to their defenses like Rex Grossman and Trent Dilfer did. Just how I see it. Your opinion may vary, but that's mine. It also doesn't help that, like Cutler, he's an unlikeable asshat who both whine and cry when the focus isn't on them. Orange, if I may, just to see where your head is at, could you tell me where that triumverate would be in list of top QB's. I'm assuming those 4 are your top 4 and I'd assume Drew Brees is in the step below. You mean Flacco, Cutler, and Ryan? I'd place them above the likes of Gabbert, Sanchez, Cassel, but not much higher. Although, full disclosure, my immense dislike of Cutler stems from how he handled himself in Denver - so it might be best to leave him out of this. I just don't watch Flacco play and say "wow, that's a great QB". On my list, he's lower than guys like Luck and RGIII - he's nowhere near elite. It's not like my rankings matter, anyway. He got to the Super Bowl and that's awesome - but I still don't see him as a great QB in this league. He's good. Nothing more.
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Post by JTH on Jan 20, 2013 22:30:53 GMT -5
Wow, I think Michael Irvin just threw the QBs of today under the bus without even trying. Basically they don't have to be good because their WRs can do whatever the hell they want thanks to the rules. And he's wrong?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2013 22:30:55 GMT -5
Ok, state your case. I'm listening. Just how I see it. Your opinion may vary, but that's mine. It also doesn't help that, like Cutler, he's an unlikeable asshat who both whine and cry when the focus isn't on them. If you live here you'll know exactly where Joe is coming from. All people in this town ever do is dump on him for anything the Ravens do wrong. The average fan who thinks everything is on the QB blamed Joe for every loss we ever suffered and never thanked him for the wins. They all talked like he was terrible and they never blamed the Offensive Coordinator who was the coach of a 1-15 team. Last week, Joe Flacco engineers a comeback on the road against First Seed Denver Broncos. Matt Ryan engineers a combeack against the Seahawks. Ryan gets about 80 percent of the media coverage. Now who are all the eyes on? Ray Lewis. Joe doesn't get respect. That's why I want the Ravens to win the Superbowl. Ray Lewis is a living legend and whatever but people need to cheer for the unsung heroes. Joe Flacco, Torrey Smith, Marshal Yanda, Paul Kruger, and the list goes on. Guys who work together to make the team what it is.
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Post by darbus alan on Jan 20, 2013 22:31:19 GMT -5
Okay, I think Flacco is above average and nothing else, but lets not go overboard. Rex Grossman and Trent Dilfer dream of being as good as Flacco. I can say without a shadow of a doubt that the Ravens are going into this Super Bowl with a FAR better QB than they had in 2000. Also if it wasn't for Flacco and the offense being as good as they are, the Ravens wouldn't even make the playoffs. Their defense has not been its usual self.
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Post by Mac on Jan 20, 2013 22:31:43 GMT -5
Wow, I think Michael Irvin just threw the QBs of today under the bus without even trying. Basically they don't have to be good because their WRs can do whatever the hell they want thanks to the rules. Hes not too far off.
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Post by MGH on Jan 20, 2013 22:32:10 GMT -5
This is what's so interesting about sports. This Flacco debate I mean.
I still say Flacco threw up a total duck at the end of the Denver game. It hung for an eternity and Moore was there, along with another Bronco that was closing but stopped because he saw Rahim. Moore terribly misplayed it and the rest was history.
But that ball was there to pick off. That was a terrible throw. If Moore does what he is supposed to, and Denver and NE just played instead, what is the narrative on Flacco then?
Instead he just carved up the Pats and has a Superbowl to look forward to. Funny how this stuff goes. Flacco could end up owing Rahim Moore his career and reputation.
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Post by Error on Jan 20, 2013 22:32:59 GMT -5
Wow, I think Michael Irvin just threw the QBs of today under the bus without even trying. Basically they don't have to be good because their WRs can do whatever the hell they want thanks to the rules. And he's wrong? He's more right than wrong. I think there are a lot of good QBs that could play even with tougher rules but yeah a good chunk of the ones now would be back ups or on run heavy teams if the rules were tougher. Im just more shocked he got away with it on NFLN
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2013 22:33:01 GMT -5
They're also right in what they say. Patriots are a pretty arrogant team. That's why they have no hunger in the playoffs. And yeah, Tebow gets a lot of undeserved attention in spite of doing surprisingly little. Though I agree, I think they should avoid those comments. All great teams are arrogant in thier own way. You have to be arrogant just to think you can win. And what makes you think the Pats have no hunger? Look at how they played Houston last week. The Texans put little to no effort into a road game and the Pats didn't manhandle them and send them home in humiliation. They didn't look bad. They just didn't look driven. And lets not forget Frisco going there and stomping on them. That was a black day in Foxboro.
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Post by Mac on Jan 20, 2013 22:33:31 GMT -5
Patriots have been LUCKY against the Ravens in the past. The playoff game last year and the regular season game a couple years back when Mason dropped a game winning TD. They;ve struggled mightily against them.
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Post by Red Impact on Jan 20, 2013 22:35:14 GMT -5
I'm not saying he's not special, or that he's not really damn good. I'm just saying that three rings and more playoff wins doesn't make him better than Montana was. And before you look it up, the Niners were lucky enough that Montana was backed up by Steve Young when he went down, who is categorically better in every way than Matt Cassell. I think the case could be made for Montana being better, same with Brady. You cant say someone is wrong because theres no QB only competition to decide the winner. I agree. I think it's just impossible in football to separate the QB from his team. In basketball and even baseball you can more, but not in football.
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Post by JTH on Jan 20, 2013 22:35:22 GMT -5
Patriots have been LUCKY against the Ravens in the past. The playoff game last year and the regular season game a couple years back when Mason dropped a game winning TD. They;ve struggled mightily against them. The Ravens also got robbed in the Monday Night game against NE the year they went 16-0.
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Post by Jazzman on Jan 20, 2013 22:35:30 GMT -5
Orange, if I may, just to see where your head is at, could you tell me where that triumverate would be in list of top QB's. I'm assuming those 4 are your top 4 and I'd assume Drew Brees is in the step below. You mean Flacco, Cutler, and Ryan? I'd place them above the likes of Gabbert, Sanchez, Cassel, but not much higher. Although, full disclosure, my immense dislike of Cutler stems from how he handled himself in Denver - so it might be best to leave him out of this. I just don't watch Flacco play and say "wow, that's a great QB". On my list, he's lower than guys like Luck and RGIII - he's nowhere near elite. It's not like my rankings matter, anyway. He got to the Super Bowl and that's awesome - but I still don't see him as a great QB in this league. He's good. Nothing more. Hmm... that's interesting. Just wanted to see what you thought, nothing more. I personally wouldn't have them that low but to each his own. I think from Flacco we're seeing that same kind of growing up and figuring it out that we saw from Eli in the first SB win. I wouldn't be surprised to see him lift the Lombardi in 2 weeks time.
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