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Post by darbus alan on Jan 22, 2013 10:08:06 GMT -5
The Rooney Rule IS needed. The point is to give a minority coach a chance for an interview. But if it leads to an under-qualified minority coach getting a job over a qualified coach who doesn't happen to be a minority, then yes, it is ridiculous. This almost never happens. And I only say "almost" because as far as I know, it never has happened. But I'm not 100% sure. Either way, this argument is based on entirely false pretenses. The Rooney Rule doesn't require you to hire a minority, merely interview them. I think the Rooney Rule's intentions are understandable and noble and I fully support those intentions. But I think its implementation leads to a lot of unintended racism by making minority candidates into tokens so you can hire the white guy you know you want to hire. Then again, without the Rooney Rule, there's a really good chance that someone like Mike Tomlin wouldn't have gotten his head coaching job when he did, if ever. He only had one year as a coordinator on the pro level before getting the Steelers' head coaching job, and never coordinated or head coached at the college level. If not for the Rooney Rule, Pittsburgh might not have even bothered to interview him even with the Steelers' noted history of hiring African Americans to leadership positions. EDIT: I guess he would've been considered an "under-qualified hire," but Pittsburgh obviously liked what they saw of him. And I guess winning a Super Bowl, getting to another, and being a perennial playoff threat counts for something.
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Post by bigbadbull on Jan 22, 2013 10:22:26 GMT -5
But if it leads to an under-qualified minority coach getting a job over a qualified coach who doesn't happen to be a minority, then yes, it is ridiculous. This almost never happens. And I only say "almost" because as far as I know, it never has happened. But I'm not 100% sure. Either way, this argument is based on entirely false pretenses. The Rooney Rule doesn't require you to hire a minority, merely interview them. I think the Rooney Rule's intentions are understandable and noble and I fully support those intentions. But I think its implementation leads to a lot of unintended racism by making minority candidates into tokens so you can hire the white guy you know you want to hire. Then again, without the Rooney Rule, there's a really good chance that someone like Mike Tomlin wouldn't have gotten his head coaching job when he did, if ever. He only had one year as a coordinator on the pro level before getting the Steelers' head coaching job, and never coordinated or head coached at the college level. If not for the Rooney Rule, Pittsburgh might not have even bothered to interview him even with the Steelers' noted history of hiring African Americans to leadership positions. EDIT: I guess he would've been considered an "under-qualified hire," but Pittsburgh obviously liked what they saw of him. And I guess winning a Super Bowl, getting to another, and being a perennial playoff threat counts for something. Also, it says something about where a coach has a 12-20 record the last two seasons, be fired on the Monday after the regular season and become the head coach of a franchise the Friday in the same week. My point is this: One head coach can find a head coaching gig in another city. Another head coach went 19-13 the last two seasons, but hasn't been hired by a team. Yes, he said he wanted to sit out a year, but a 12-20 coach is considered a better candidate than a 19-13 coach. Andy Reid went 12-20 and Lovie Smith went 19-13. Tell me if we don't need a Rooney Rule.
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Post by BearDogg-X on Jan 22, 2013 10:38:31 GMT -5
Goodell has reinstated Saints head coach Sean Payton two weeks before Payton's suspension was officially over.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2013 10:56:43 GMT -5
Oh okay, you're right about the free agency thing. My mistake. No, I wouldn't say he was declining in 2009, because a drop between two years is statistically unreliable. That's the difference between having an off year and an on-year. But between 2007 and 2012 is a five-year difference in the time period in a Quarterback's career where quality becomes a concern. It's a trend that I can say with the utmost confidence will continue because I think it's been going on for a while. Some guys still play at a sublime level late into their 30's but I don't think that Brady is in that group. Out of curiosity, who would you put in that group? Peyton Manning is the first guy I can think of. I don't think he's lost a step as a passer. Joe Montana and Steve Young were consistent through their careers. Brett Favre looked great until his ill-fated last season. On a purely statistical level, it is worth noting that Brady is still better than most of these guys were at corresponding points in their careers. And I could always be wrong. Maybe Brady will bounce back next season and the season afterwards and post stats like his older ones, as they're not that far-removed from the present. I just don't think that's likely to happen and his play in the past couple years of playoff games has not looked particularly great. Another quarterback-related note. Anyone else think that the rise of Griffin, Wilson and Kaepernick owes heavily to the success that Tim Tebow had last season? Before you say "Tebow sucks" I'm not even in total disagreement there, but what he did show was that a mobile quarterback who has the smarts to use his speed effectively could be a deadly offensive weapon with the right arm. He simply didn't have that arm, but he showed a blueprint for mobile quarterbacks so they didn't all get shoehorned by their coaches into playing as generic pocket passers.
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Post by Steveweiser on Jan 22, 2013 12:10:10 GMT -5
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jan 22, 2013 12:12:38 GMT -5
If true, that's nuts. I dont buy it though
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jan 22, 2013 12:14:53 GMT -5
Zack Crockett (I think) was on Mike and Mike and his story didn't match up with Brown's. Where Brown says that Callahan changed everything a few days before the Super Bowl and that led to Barrett Robbins freaking out, Crockett says the changes came the day before because Robbins disappeared and they needed to change the gameplan for the new center because Robbins made all the calls while the backup had only been a LS all season.
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Post by andrew8798 on Jan 22, 2013 12:26:14 GMT -5
WR Stevie Johnson said he wants the Bills to bring in competition for Ryan Fitzpatrick.
Former Dolphins QB Pat White is attempting to get back in the NFL.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jan 22, 2013 12:27:31 GMT -5
WR Stevie Johnson said he wants the Bills to bring in competition for Ryan Fitzpatrick. The Bills are in a pickle. They need someone else, but have committed far too much money to Fitzpatrick to bench him
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Post by Munkie91087 on Jan 22, 2013 12:49:14 GMT -5
But if it leads to an under-qualified minority coach getting a job over a qualified coach who doesn't happen to be a minority, then yes, it is ridiculous. This almost never happens. And I only say "almost" because as far as I know, it never has happened. But I'm not 100% sure. Either way, this argument is based on entirely false pretenses. The Rooney Rule doesn't require you to hire a minority, merely interview them. I think the Rooney Rule's intentions are understandable and noble and I fully support those intentions. But I think its implementation leads to a lot of unintended racism by making minority candidates into tokens so you can hire the white guy you know you want to hire. Then again, without the Rooney Rule, there's a really good chance that someone like Mike Tomlin wouldn't have gotten his head coaching job when he did, if ever. He only had one year as a coordinator on the pro level before getting the Steelers' head coaching job, and never coordinated or head coached at the college level. If not for the Rooney Rule, Pittsburgh might not have even bothered to interview him even with the Steelers' noted history of hiring African Americans to leadership positions. EDIT: I guess he would've been considered an "under-qualified hire," but Pittsburgh obviously liked what they saw of him. And I guess winning a Super Bowl, getting to another, and being a perennial playoff threat counts for something. I agree with your sentiment strongly, but feel compelled to correct you. Mike Tomlin was NOT a Rooney Rule interview. Prior to interviewing Mike Tomlin, the Steelers interviewed Ron Rivera. He, being of Mexican descent satisfied the Rooney Rule. So the Rooneys interviewed Tomlin because they wanted and not just to satisfy the Rooney Rule.
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Post by Push R Truth on Jan 22, 2013 13:04:23 GMT -5
I fully agree. I think a lot of coaches though to themselves "Man, Tebow did this with crappy arm. Imagine a dude that runs faster and can throw above average."
And look what happens. A bunch of mobile QB's with above average arms can annihilate a good portion of the defenses in the league. The real question will be what happens next year because every D Coordinator is staring at tapes of of these "new" QB's. Will they solve the riddle?
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jan 22, 2013 13:16:20 GMT -5
I fully agree. I think a lot of coaches though to themselves "Man, Tebow did this with crappy arm. Imagine a dude that runs faster and can throw above average." And look what happens. A bunch of mobile QB's with above average arms can annihilate a good portion of the defenses in the league. The real question will be what happens next year because every D Coordinator is staring at tapes of of these "new" QB's. Will they solve the riddle? I dont think they'll "solve" them, but I have to think that they'll make a dent in figuring out how to at least combat them
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jan 22, 2013 13:17:22 GMT -5
Sure, Time. You losing that Super Bowl had everything to do with Bill Callahan, and nothing to do with Robbins disappearing and the fact you were facing the architect of that offense. Gruden knew that offense inside and out, he knew the audibles, the hand signals, Gannon's tendencies, and the formations. Oakland lost because Gruden knew that team like the back of his hand, and Tampa was better. And Rice didn't put in the work? The year before Rice caught 83 passes for over 1,130 yards.
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Post by BRV on Jan 22, 2013 13:38:06 GMT -5
The Rooney Rule IS needed. The point is to give a minority coach a chance for an interview. But if it leads to an under-qualified minority coach getting a job over a qualified coach who doesn't happen to be a minority, then yes, it is ridiculous. The criticism against the Rooney Rule isn't that it was put in place to force a franchise into hiring an underqualified minority, but rather that it makes a charade of the interviewing process. For example, the growing sentiment around New England is that once Bill Belichick retires, Josh McDaniels will take over the head coaching reigns. While it's no certainty or guarantee, it appears to be highly likely. However, with the Rooney Rule, the Patriots have to interview someone like Lovie Smith or Romeo Crennel just to say they did. It's insulting to those coaching candidates that they're being brought in almost exclusively so a franchise can comply with a league mandate rather than be legitimately interviewed as a potential head coach. I love that Tim Brown says he's "not a selfish player" almost immediately after recalling his stat line from over a decade ago. It's like the story Doc Rivers once told about Dominique Wilkins, how you could walk up to him in the huddle in the final seconds of a close game and say, "Hey, 'Nique, how many points you got?" and within the blink of an eye he'd say something like, "27...but I'd have 29 if they called that foul back in the second quarter."
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Post by darbus alan on Jan 22, 2013 13:45:40 GMT -5
I fully agree. I think a lot of coaches though to themselves "Man, Tebow did this with crappy arm. Imagine a dude that runs faster and can throw above average." And look what happens. A bunch of mobile QB's with above average arms can annihilate a good portion of the defenses in the league. The real question will be what happens next year because every D Coordinator is staring at tapes of of these "new" QB's. Will they solve the riddle? I really don't think it has to do with Tebow. Guys like Michael Vick, Randall Cunningham, and even Donovan McNabb in his earlier years were doing this sort of thing with success well before Tebow was even a glint in ESPN's eye. To credit this to Tebow is hilariously short-sighted. How do your defenses solve this? Easy enough. Let wear and tear and time solve it for you. These sorts of quarterbacks have short shelf lives because they get hit way more than the typical pocket passer quarterback. RG3's already had a serious injury. I don't think Russell Wilson is so much a running quarterback as he is a primary passer who can scramble like he's Fran Tarkenton when he needs to. Kaepernick's beastly size gives him a pretty big advantage in durability over guys like Griffin and Wilson. But even then, age is going to get to him. Basically, these guys are going to have to learn to be good pocket passers (which I think they already have) because they're not going to be able to run on a regular basis in a few years.
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Post by Sektor on Jan 22, 2013 13:50:10 GMT -5
I fully agree. I think a lot of coaches though to themselves "Man, Tebow did this with crappy arm. Imagine a dude that runs faster and can throw above average." And look what happens. A bunch of mobile QB's with above average arms can annihilate a good portion of the defenses in the league. The real question will be what happens next year because every D Coordinator is staring at tapes of of these "new" QB's. Will they solve the riddle? I don't think Tebow had anything to do with it. If anyone changed the perception of it, it was Cam Newton.
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Post by andrew8798 on Jan 22, 2013 14:19:52 GMT -5
Cowboys OC Bill Callahan will call the offensive plays in 2013, not head coach Jason Garrett.
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Post by Steveweiser on Jan 22, 2013 14:21:14 GMT -5
So some Patriots fans went on Twitter after the AFC Championship Game and taunted Torrey Smith about his late brother. Just one of many reasons why I hate the New England Patriots and have for many years. Just disgraceful.
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Post by BRV on Jan 22, 2013 14:40:24 GMT -5
So some Patriots fans went on Twitter after the AFC Championship Game and taunted Torrey Smith about his late brother. Just one of many reasons why I hate the New England Patriots and have for many years. Just disgraceful. Yes, because we Patriots fans all think exactly the same. As soon as the game went final and after the grieving and frustration subsided, I went on Twitter and saw that Torrey Smith tweeted, "Someone in New England wasted a lot of money on that Ray Lewis retirement billboard". I thought to myself, "Great, a handful of idiots are about to make us all look terrible." Patriots fans are not all mouth-breathing, knuckle-dragging neanderthals without a filter, decency or common sense. But there are some of the lunatic fringe who are and because of them, all Patriots fans are demonized because of a dozen or so who lack the brain power to stop themselves from sending those kinds of tweets. Did I take shots at Ray Lewis after the game on these boards? I did, and I probably will if I see another atrocious puff piece on what a motivation and inspiration he is. But there's a line that shouldn't be crossed and because a bunch of morons crossed that line, suddenly everyone who was rooting for the Patriots on Sunday is a terrible person. Now we sit and wait until somebody talks about how we're all racists.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2013 14:59:14 GMT -5
So some Patriots fans went on Twitter after the AFC Championship Game and taunted Torrey Smith about his late brother. Just one of many reasons why I hate the New England Patriots and have for many years. Just disgraceful. What do the actions of some Patriots fans have to do with the organization itself? Not to mention, every team has fans that are complete assholes.
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