Heels and faces need to be different

[wwefan71080]

When I look at all the face characters, they seem to all tell bad jokes and have super powers while all the heels seem to be chickens and run from their opponents, and none of them are relevant to the times.

Here are some ideas for characters that would fit with the times

Ryback I would keep the same, but I would have kept him as a silent but deadly like cyborg character

I would revert CM Punk back to being a face and being the voice of the voiceless again, like being the 99% in the occupy movement

I would keep Alberto Del Rio as the rich man, but have him be more like a Robin Hood like character

as someone said on youtube I would have Dolph Ziggler be more like Barney from How I Met Your Mother, tell me that wouldn't be absolutely great

Have Sheamus as that blue collar working class guy, like a mix of his current character and Stone Cold Steve Austin

Have Jinder Mahal do the Mohammad Hassan character, but this time do it right and not make him a terrorist

I'd like to here your opinions on what characters need to be in the WWE to be more successful

Have Triple H become the evil corporate heel

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Alex Riley should be kept the same as his basic, generic smiley babyface. But treat him the "Badass Normal" or the "Straight Man", whose basic and generic look actually allows him to subtly stand out in a sea of crazier characters. He realigns himself with the Miz, basically playing the role of "Miz's little brother". They would be a frat bro comedy team.

Zack Ryder starts using Internet memes in his everyday speech. Curt Hawkins is Ryder's straight-man tag team partner, who facepalms at Ryder's antics and basically acts like your typical "jaded person annoyed by Internet stupidity".




I would keep Daniel Bryan the same. The heel who is only a face by default due to being booked against other heels.

Cody Rhodes should be like a maskless version of the Undashing gimmick.

Jack Swagger would be like an arrogant bully. Basically book him like a mini Brock Lesnar who can dominate you, but uses dirty tactics for the hell of it. He should be an annoying douche whose face you want to punch, but you won't because he'll seriously F you up if you tried it.

I would have Evan Bourne as a "twink" who does the bumpers similar to the ones that Maryse used to do on SmackDown

Johnny Curtis goes back to being Dirty Curty. He would also be like the supervillain of Saturday Morning Slam, basically play up the sexual predator stuff without saying it outright and having the faces warning the kids to stay away from him because he's a "bad man" who does "bad things".

Kane turns heel and goes back to Embrace The Hate mode.

Michael McGillicutty becomes the Mojo Jojo of the WWE, basically purposely satiring the Genesis promo by cutting all promos in that manner.

Ted DiBiase Jr goes back to the DiBiase Posse parties. But the parties are also used as backdrops for other segments.

Tensai goes back to being Albert/A-Train.

Yoshi Tatsu turns heel, and gets the facepaint/mask back. He also inherits "SkyLoLo, You Got The Guy" in the event of Tensai's repackaging.

Ricardo Rodriguez becomes "Mexican Mr. Anderson", becoming a wrestler and introducing himself. He is also a regular tag partner for Del Rio.

[Bub (BLM)]

I think a nice change of pace would be faces who were honest and justified in their actions at all times and heels who spew false facts and are reprehensible human beings. WWE has had a habit for years now of having heels come out and speak the truth, while their face opponent will come out and spew a bunch of nonsense and completely dismiss the fact that they are in fact wrong. It's such bad writing that it makes my head hurt.

The last true heel in WWE was JBL. Nothing he ever said was on the level, and he showed absolutely zero signs of being someone worth liking.

[mrjl]

Jan 21, 2013 22:12:36 GMT -5 Bub (BLM) said:

I think a nice change of pace would be faces who were honest and justified in their actions at all times and heels who spew false facts and are reprehensible human beings. WWE has had a habit for years now of having heels come out and speak the truth, while their face opponent will come out and spew a bunch of nonsense and completely dismiss the fact that they are in fact wrong. It's such bad writing that it makes my head hurt.

The last true heel in WWE was JBL. Nothing he ever said was on the level, and he showed absolutely zero signs of being someone worth liking.

I think the heels view points are only right from an extremely cynical POV, more cynical than the WWE is trying to portray.

For example, a lot of people like to say Hassan was right about the fans. But in the promo where he debuted he actually switched to insulting people to get booed, just before he was shown.

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They need to stop making their heels "awesome" and let the faces have some semblance of character development.

[carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army)]

Jan 21, 2013 22:24:20 GMT -5 mrjl said:

I think the heels view points are only right from an extremely cynical POV, more cynical than the WWE is trying to portray.

For example, a lot of people like to say Hassan was right about the fans. But in the promo where he debuted he actually switched to insulting people to get booed, just before he was shown.

It's not just what the heels say; it's the interplay. Hassan would have seemed like a better heel if JR and Lawler weren't there yelling "Love it or leave it!" at him.
Hassan's a bad example, anyway. They just wanted an evil Muslim character, period. All the other stuff was window dressing they came up with to allow them to get away with it.

What the WWE really needs is heels that appear equal to the faces.

[Bub (BLM)]

Jan 21, 2013 22:24:20 GMT -5 mrjl said:

Jan 21, 2013 22:12:36 GMT -5 Bub (BLM) said:

I think a nice change of pace would be faces who were honest and justified in their actions at all times and heels who spew false facts and are reprehensible human beings. WWE has had a habit for years now of having heels come out and speak the truth, while their face opponent will come out and spew a bunch of nonsense and completely dismiss the fact that they are in fact wrong. It's such bad writing that it makes my head hurt.

The last true heel in WWE was JBL. Nothing he ever said was on the level, and he showed absolutely zero signs of being someone worth liking.

I think the heels view points are only right from an extremely cynical POV, more cynical than the WWE is trying to portray.

For example, a lot of people like to say Hassan was right about the fans. But in the promo where he debuted he actually switched to insulting people to get booed, just before he was shown.

Heels cutting non-televised promos to get heat before going live in no way counts. It's one of the oldest tricks in the wrestling book. Muhammad Hassan WAS right in his debut promo.

Another good example of "heels" being 100% right is Vickie and Chavo Guerrero turning on Rey Mysterio for exploiting Eddie. It was blatant and true. Rey's character ran around using Eddie's name, moves, mannerisms, and catchphrases to make himself more popular.

Here's the biggest one of all - Bret Hart. He was pissed off that the fans started cheering the vulgar, cheating, and dishonorable wrestlers and booing him, despite always going out there and playing by the book and doing the right thing. His character was completely and utterly justified.

[mrjl]

Jan 21, 2013 23:11:49 GMT -5 Bub (BLM) said:

Jan 21, 2013 22:24:20 GMT -5 mrjl said:

I think the heels view points are only right from an extremely cynical POV, more cynical than the WWE is trying to portray.

For example, a lot of people like to say Hassan was right about the fans. But in the promo where he debuted he actually switched to insulting people to get booed, just before he was shown.

Heels cutting non-televised promos to get heat before going live in no way counts. It's one of the oldest tricks in the wrestling book. Muhammad Hassan WAS right in his debut promo.

Another good example of "heels" being 100% right is Vickie and Chavo Guerrero turning on Rey Mysterio for exploiting Eddie. It was blatant and true. Rey's character ran around using Eddie's name, moves, mannerisms, and catchphrases to make himself more popular.

Here's the biggest one of all - Bret Hart. He was pissed off that the fans started cheering the vulgar, cheating, and dishonorable wrestlers and booing him, despite always going out there and playing by the book and doing the right thing. His character was completely and utterly justified.

I am talking about his debut promo. Everyone has the timing of the promo remembered wrong. He said something heelish, just before they showed his face. the crowd did NOT just switch over to booing because they saw what he looked like.

[The Ichi]

I think Punk is a pure heel. We only like him because some of us have been fans of his for years, but if you were watching from a more "casual" point of view, he's pretty much scum.

[PTBartman]

Jan 21, 2013 22:12:36 GMT -5 Bub (BLM) said:

I think a nice change of pace would be faces who were honest and justified in their actions at all times and heels who spew false facts and are reprehensible human beings.
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[Allie Kitsune]

Jan 22, 2013 7:57:09 GMT -5 The Ichi said:

I think Punk is a pure heel. We only like him because some of us have been fans of his for years, but if you were watching from a more "casual" point of view, he's pretty much scum.

But he also tears down and insults the same fans that the Smarks hate, so that's a positive in their eyes.

Despite some of the cheap heat he goes for at times, he's still telling some of the people what they want to hear.